Real hatred towards certain people is not wrong (proof from the Bible)

Hentenza · Jun 24, 2026

RamiC said:
"30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. 31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." Matthew Ch12 NIV

8 “I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. 9 But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God. 10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." Luke Ch12 NIV

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unpardonable sin.

What exactly is the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? What are the particulars of the sin and how can a person commit it?

RamiC · Jun 24, 2026

Hentenza said:
What exactly is the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? What are the particulars of the sin and how can a person commit it?

You asked what sin is unpardonable. I have answered you.

Those verses are not going anywhere. There is a sin which will not be forgiven. It is blasphemy agaisnt the Holy Spirit.

We know this if we believe the Bible.

I accept murder and peadophilia, if the guilty repent, are not unpardonable, and I am not arguing for us being told that we are supposed to hate some people. There is however, an unpardonable sin.

Hentenza · Jun 24, 2026

RamiC said:
You asked what sin is unpardonable. I have answered you.

You did.,

RamiC said:
Those verses are not going anywhere. There is a sin which will not be forgiven. It is blasphemy agaisnt the Holy Spirit.

I asked you a couple of questions about it because there is quite the scholarship debate about what it is and even if it can be committed today.

RamiC said:
We know this if we believe the Bible.

Sure.

RamiC said:
I accept murder and peadophilia, if the guilty repent, are not unpardonable, and I am not arguing for us being told that we are supposed to hate some people. There is however, an unpardonable sin.

Which is why I asked @BibleBeliever1611 the question of which one was the unpardonable sin since he made the comment that some sinners don’t even deserve to have the gospel preached to them and suggests that they are lost.

RamiC · Jun 24, 2026

Hentenza said:
I asked you a couple of questions about it because there is quite the scholarship debate about what it is and even if it can be committed today.

You did, and my point is that there is such a sin.

Hentenza · Jun 24, 2026

RamiC said:
You did, and my point is that there is such a sin.

I knew that but that was not the intention of my question to the other poster. The other poster seems to think that there are many unrepentant sins.

RamiC · Jun 24, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
Because God obviously hates some people.

Do you have Biblical support for this statement?

BibleBeliever1611 said:
The purpose of hell & damnation is punishment and vengeance. If God never hated anybody then hell wouldn't exist. But it does.

Do you have Biblical support for these assertions?

David Lamb · Jun 25, 2026

S.O.J.I.A. said:
TMH = The Most High God = The Father

When you say "deserve the gospel" do you mean they deserve to hear it?

Thanks for explaining. It seems so obvious, but I had never come across that abbreviation before.

It wasn't me who first used the term "deserve the gospel" on this thread, but I would think that the person who used it meant "deserved the gospel in any way", including hearing it, and receiving its wonderful benefits.

RamiC · Jun 25, 2026

"11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town." Matthew Ch 10 NIV

This does refer to people deserving or not, but it certainly does not recommend hating anyone, if the people do not want the peace, it should remain with those who already have it, not be abandoned for hate. The appropriate thing to do is leave for some other place, not hate.

David Lamb · Jun 25, 2026

RamiC said:
"11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town." Matthew Ch 10 NIV

This does refer to people deserving or not, but it certainly does not recommend hating anyone, if the people do not want the peace, it should remain with those who already have it, not be abandoned for hate. The appropriate thing to do is leave for some other place, not hate.

I agree with you that it doesn't mean "worthy/deserving of hearing the gospel." I agree with commentators such as John Gill, who wrote on Matthew 10:11:

"inquire, who in it is worthy; not of them, as the Arabic version reads, nor of the Gospel they preached, or of the grace of God, of which no man is worthy: and besides, who could answer to such a question when asked?.....Nor does it mean a man famous for piety and religion, or one that feared God, and was a worshipper of him, but an hospitable man; one that was very liberal; who was willing and ready to entertain strangers; for such a man they would want, having neither money nor food: and so the same word, in the Hebrew language, signifies "to be worthy""

S.O.J.I.A. · Jun 25, 2026

David Lamb said:
Thanks for explaining. It seems so obvious, but I had never come across that abbreviation before.

It wasn't me who first used the term "deserve the gospel" on this thread, but I would think that the person who used it meant "deserved the gospel in any way", including hearing it, and receiving its wonderful benefits.

I see. Well, that person would need to define what he means by that statement.

All Israel deserves to hear the gospel because they deserve the opportunity to repent. Conversion is another matter.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 26, 2026

S.O.J.I.A. said:
I see. Well, that person would need to define what he means by that statement.

All Israel deserves to hear the gospel because they deserve the opportunity to repent. Conversion is another matter.

No one deserves Grace and Mercy---which is the underlying purpose of the Gospel message, but we're all glad that God loves us enough to offer it to us.

BibleBeliever1611 · Jun 27, 2026

RamiC said:
Do you have Biblical support for this statement?

"The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth." Psalm 11:5

Lukaris · Jun 27, 2026

There is nothing in Psalm 11:1-7 that gives us mortals any privileges to hate anyone. If we do then the Lord’s soul will hate those of us who became wicked ( like by hating someone). Also look at Psalm 12:1-8.

com7fy8 · Jun 28, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
So what people would fall into this category of people that deserve no love? The enemies of God. The LGBTQ people for certain. The false prophets. The atheists, at least most of them. The list could continue.

Jesus died on Calvary for all people. So, Jesus was loving all people, by dying for all.

So . . . if we say it is ok for certain people to keep on doing what is wrong, we are guilty of unforgiveness against these people. And I have seen how people can keep on having deep emotional trouble while they keep approving of what is wrong. While any of us stays weak for a wrong pleasure, or if we are approving of what is wrong . . . a wrong spirit has us doing this and this evil spirit will keep us in emotional trouble > "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" > in Ephesians 2:2.

Love "hopes all things" > 1 Corinthians 13:7. On the cross, Jesus had hope for any person to be forgiven >

"And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." (1 John 2:2)

So, Jesus is inclusive . . . of "the whole world" . . . not for only certain wrong people, but for all.

RamiC · Jun 28, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
God would not create something bad that shouldn't exist.

Satan is a created being....just in case you did not know.

BibleBeliever1611 said:
The atheists, at least most of them.

Which atheists are exempt in your opinion? May I also ask why some "deserve" and others don't?

S.O.J.I.A. · Jun 28, 2026

2PhiloVoid said:
No one deserves Grace and Mercy

That's a different subject..

2PhiloVoid · Jun 28, 2026

S.O.J.I.A. said:
That's a different subject..

It's part of the Gospel message, so I'm not too concerned at this point.

BibleBeliever1611 · Jun 28, 2026

RamiC said:
Satan is a created being....just in case you did not know.

Just in case you didn't know... fallen angels were not always fallen. Originally they were good when they were created but aferwards decided to rebel.

CaspianSails · Jun 28, 2026

Hentenza said:
That is not biblical. The great commission is to make disciples of all nations which includes everyone even the ones that YOU don’t like. You don’t get to choose who to “save”.

Please read the parable of the weeds and the wheat. Understand the source of each and the end result. Hopefully the parable will open your eyes.

CaspianSails · Jun 28, 2026

Delvianna said:
So you're saying David's Psalm is correct and Jesus's words aren't? You can't have both, so which is it?

It has been my experience that two things can be correct at the same time. We tend to pose them as being so opposite that they cannot be reconciled. Gods Word, all of it is correct, our interpretations, not so much.

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