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Makes no difference. Why?
Because the statement is the law is embodied in the ten. The law being the commandments and statutes. And It says Jesus exemplified the law not just the commandments. The law, which would be the commandments and statutes.
That’s your assumption in belief#19 it’s not what was stated, the only law being stated plainly is the Ten Commandments. Statues is not even mentioned.

The entire Bible is embodied in the Ten Commandments- love to God, love to man, why they are so broad and covers everything- why God added no more to them, Deut5:22. Only the Ten Commandments was inside the ark. Everything else was written in a book by a human, beside the ark of the covenant. Why only the Ten Commandments is what is under God’s mercy seat, nothing more. Exo25:21 Heb9:23-24 Rev11:18-19 its the Testimony God Exo31:18 no one greater, nothing more added.
 
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That’s your assumption in belief#19 it’s not what was stated, the only law being stated plainly is the Ten Commandments. Statues is not even mentioned.

The entire Bible is embodied in the Ten Commandments- love to God, love to man, why they are so broad and covers everything- why God added no more to them, Deut5:22. Only the Ten Commandments was inside the ark. Everything else was written in a book by a human, beside the ark of the covenant. Why only the Ten Commandments is what is under God’s mercy seat, nothing more. Exo25:21 Heb9:23-24 Rev11:18-19 its the Testimony God Exo31:18 no one greater, nothing more added.
Well then, according to your theology if you were not married you could marry your brother or dog.

Lucky you.
 
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Well then, according to your theology if you were not married you could marry your brother or dog.

Lucky you.
Sadly, you know that’s not what I believe yet still choose to make this accusation. I don’t know why anyone would do something against the will of God if one truly understood the totality of even the first commandment and how much just this one commandment covers Exo 20:3 principles taught by Jesus Mat5:19-30.

I guess it will all get sorted out soon enough.
 
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Sadly, you know that’s not what I believe yet still choose to make this accusation. I don’t know why anyone would do something against the will of God if one truly understood the totality of even the first commandment and how much just this one commandment covers Exo 20:3 principles taught by Jesus Mat5:19-30.

I guess it will all get sorted out soon enough.
It isn’t accusation it is the only conclusion to what you share. They are not of the ten nor are they connected to any of the ten. They are only mentioned in the book of the law so according to your theology they are not of the new covenant. Just like many other commandments and statutes that are mentioned in the book of the law but are not even remotely related to the Ten.
You wouldn’t argue against not eating unclean animals would you? Nor would you kick against the law that states we are to read the Bible and teach it to our children and so forth. So?
 
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It isn’t accusation it is the only conclusion to what you share.
Have I? Again, its another accusation that just isn't supported by facts.

I have made this point before to you, but sadly it was dismissed.

Jesus was predicted to magnify His commandments Isa 42:21, which means makes greater.

Not the law of Moses that was written in a book because He predicted to end this Dan9:27 Col2:14 Gal3:10-19

But Jesus spoke of the law directly on what was prophesied by Isaiah

He related lust with the commandment not to commit adultery and related anger with the commandment to not murder. How many laws would not be broken if one didn't have lust in their heart or anger. This is just an example Jesus gave but applied it to all of them Mat5:18-19 because the commandments of God are exceedingly broad Psa 119:96. God never needed man to complete anything for Him. His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142, before Moses, before a book, before man was even created.

Why only the Ten Commandments is under God's mercy seat Exo25:21 that shows a picture of what He does in heaven Heb8:1-5 Heb 9:23-24 Rev11:18-19 as our High Priest.

The book that Moses wrote was placed besides God's ark as a witness against Deut 31:24-26 and it wasn't even placed there until 40 years after the Ten Commandments that God wrote and spoke and added no more Deut5:22. The only thing needed for atonement was the blood that covers what is under God's mercy seat, the Ten Commandments, the whole law of God 2Chro33:8 nothing missing, its perfect for converting our soul Psa19:7. What God does is forever, we are told not to add to it, or take from it, our response should be to fear Him and keep His commandments Ecc3:14 Exo20:20 Ecc12:13-14 Rev14:6-12, because He is God and we are called to be His people.
 
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It says law which would include the commandments and statutes.

It says the law is embodied in the ten not that it is just the commandments. It says Jesus exemplified the law not just the commandments.
Yes, the word "Law" here through context includes the Ten Commandments as the "whole Law" is fulfilled by "loving our neighbors and as ourselves." (Gal 5:14)
But nothing on verses below speaks of statutes or ordinances, they may contain laws or rules but apart from the Ten.

Rom 13:8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the
law.

Gal 5:14 For the
whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
 
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Yes, the word "Law" here through context includes the Ten Commandments as the "whole Law" is fulfilled by "loving our neighbors and as ourselves." (Gal 5:14)
But nothing on verses below speaks of statutes or ordinances, they may contain laws or rules but apart from the Ten.

Rom 13:8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the
law.

Gal 5:14 For the
whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Nor is Romans confined to just the Ten. Just because a couple of commandments are mentioned doesn't mean that when he speaks of Law he is speaking of the just the ten. Like the commandment mentioned in verse 9. loving they neighbor that is not in the Ten yet it is a commandment. Or not laying with animals or sleeping and marry your sister or brother. Or Being a homosexual or cross dressing. All these are commandments that are not in the ten and neither can they be surmised from just reading the ten.

And the context of the conversation is the SDA fundamental belief. Sabbath Blessing tried to use it to justify her belief. She can't because the belief does not say what she thinks.
 
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And the context of the conversation is the SDA fundamental belief.
Please show me where in the SDA fundamental beliefs that says anything about
Or not laying with animals or sleeping and marry your sister or brother. Or Being a homosexual or cross dressing
So the way you appear to interpret the Ten Commandments, only literal, not broad where is the above in the SDA fundamental beliefs that you claim you believe and are a member of? In my view its all covered by the first sentence in belief #19

"The great principles of God’s law are embodied in the Ten Commandments and exemplified in the life of Christ."

But this would be a problem for your view, because its not stated anywhere in the fundamental beliefs and you claim not embodied in the Ten Commandments.

Sabbath Blessing tried to use it to justify her belief. She can't because the belief does not say what she thinks.
I use the words of Jesus Christ to justify my beliefs. Isa 42:21KJV Mat5:19-30 Psa 119:96 and I would appreciate it if you would stop misrepresenting me and trying to bring others in that have nothing to do with this. We are all accountable for our actions, as someone else also noticed, I am not sure what's going on in your heart to keep doing this, but I will keep you in my prayers.

You keep using your words to justify your belief that the book that was besides God's ark placed 40 years after God spoke and wrote His Ten Commandments, is the same as what was inside under the mercy seat of God Exo25:21 the Testimony of God Exo31:18 that God needed no human to complete Deut5:22 Exo32:16 Jer 7:22-23 because its the whole law of God 2Chro33:8 Exo20:6 James2:10-11 as His righteousness is eternal Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 Psa 119:142- meaning it was before man, why the earthy temple was a pattern for what is in heaven Heb8:1-5 Heb9:23-24 Rev15:5 Rev11:19 not the other way around.
 
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Nor is Romans confined to just the Ten. Just because a couple of commandments are mentioned doesn't mean that when he speaks of Law he is speaking of the just the ten. Like the commandment mentioned in verse 9. loving they neighbor that is not in the Ten yet it is a commandment.
The "loving of neighbors as ourselves," summed up the 5th-10th of the Ten Commandments, and even 1st- 4th, as stated in Galatians 5:14.

Rom 13:9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Gal 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."


Or not laying with animals or sleeping and marry your sister or brother. Or Being a homosexual or cross dressing. All these are commandments that are not in the ten and neither can they be surmised from just reading the ten.
Yes, they are commandments contain in statutes, ordinances and judgements, never was recorded as written in God's people's hearts.
God's peoples could walk and observed them through the guidance of the Spirit but never was recorded as inscribed in the heart.

Eze 36:26 "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.
 
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Nor is Romans confined to just the Ten. Just because a couple of commandments are mentioned doesn't mean that when he speaks of Law he is speaking of the just the ten. Like the commandment mentioned in verse 9. loving they neighbor that is not in the Ten yet it is a commandment.
true.
Or not laying with animals or sleeping and marry your sister or brother. Or Being a homosexual or cross dressing. All these are commandments that are not in the ten and neither can they be surmised from just reading the ten.
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Confusion is when someone comes into a denomination that has set standards of beliefs and tries to change them and claims members who hold to those beliefs are wrong, that they themself agreed to when becoming a member.

19. The Law of God​

The great principles of God’s law are embodied in the Ten Commandments and exemplified in the life of Christ. They express God’s love, will, and purposes concerning human conduct and relationships and are binding upon all people in every age.
These precepts are the basis of God’s covenant with His people and the standard in God’s judgment. Through the agency of the Holy Spirit they point out sin and awaken a sense of need for a Saviour.
Salvation is all of grace and not of works, and its fruit is obedience to the Commandments.
This obedience develops Christian character and results in a sense of well-being. It is evidence of our love for the Lord and our concern for our fellow human beings. The obedience of faith demonstrates the power of Christ to transform lives, and therefore strengthens Christian witness.
(Exod. 20:1-17; Deut. 28:1-14; Ps. 19:7-14; 40:7, 8; Matt. 5:17-20; 22:36-40; John 14:15; 15:7-10; Rom. 8:3, 4; Eph. 2:8-10; Heb. 8:8-10; 1 John 2:3; 5:3; Rev. 12:17; 14:12.)

The Ten Commandments is what embodies love. Exo20:6 How to love God, how to love man- God wrote them Himself, nothing is missing Deut5:22 Jer 7:22-23 as if God needed to wait until Moses to come around to give His standard of righteousness when His is everlasting Psa 119:142 Psa 119:172 , the foundation of His throne Psa 89:14 established way before Moses. If one was truly keeping the very first commandment, nothing God asks would be violated. Why only the Ten Commandments are under His mercy seat Exo25:21 nothing more was added. Deut 5:22 They are very broad Psa 119:96 just as Jesus demonstrated Mat5:19-30

Happy Sabbath all! :heartpulse:
Amen
 
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They met and worshipped every day and held all things in common.

Sunday is not mentioned in Scripture as a special day of worship though. But the Sabbath is.
amen.

There is not a day of the week where we are not "allowed" by God to have a worship meeting.

The issue is not "can I meet with Christians on Tuesday for worship" rather the question regarding worship each week is "can I ignore God's Sabbath commandment"?
 
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Or not laying with animals or sleeping and marry your sister or brother. Or Being a homosexual or cross dressing. All these are commandments that are not in the ten and neither can they be surmised from just reading the ten.

What's the heart of the issue of these sins?

Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Jesus connected lust and lustful thoughts to the commandment of not committing adultery, so I see these sins all under the umbrella of thou shalt not commit adultery, what Jesus came to magnify Isa 42:21 why what's under God's mercy seat Exo25:21 that nothing more was added to Deut5:22 that His blood atones for are very broad Psa 119:96

Why I believe in SDA belief #19 we have this statement- that there are no laws in the Bible that are not embodied in the Ten Commandments.

"The great principles of God’s law are embodied in the Ten Commandments and exemplified in the life of Christ."

What's your thoughts?
 
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amen.

There is not a day of the week where we are not "allowed" by God to have a worship meeting.

The issue is not "can I meet with Christians on Tuesday for worship" rather the question regarding worship each week is "can I ignore God's Sabbath commandment"?
Thanks for responding and happy Sabbath BobRyan. For conversation sake, The Sabbath is the only Commandment that asks for us to actually sacrifice something of ourselves, TIME IMO. Resting for some can be an issue. To give up a day of work to make money or dedicate a whole day that we are not working and do nothing around the house, or give up doing church business that can be done any other day can be tough. Most of us are of the busy sort, we have to do some thing. Resting does not always come easy.

As I think on this, I can see why when God instituted the Sabbath prior to Mt Sinai, He told them not to leave their tents.

Keeping the Day Holy is a bigger issue. It means that we ourselves must be Holy through Christ and not defile the day. Not that we are not to be Holy through Christ all the time. But the Sabbath day has been consecrated, a day set apart, consecrated to God and not ourselves. We have made the Sabbath a Day we go to Church and probably for most we see this as keeping the Day Holy. Some go out and walk the neighborhoods and witness after church, seeing the Sabbath as a day set apart for this work which is of the Father's business. Not that it is wrong but The thing is most are not resting physically as the Commandment demands. And probably most are not resting Spiritually in doing this considering they are uneasy knocking on doors and talking to strangers. And sadly in most instances we are doing something we planned and not our Lord God, our Father. Therefore it is an unfruitful endeavor.

We don't typically pray to and praise God as a corporate body enough. We come to church and have a intercessory prayer for a minute, sing a song or 3 from the hymnal and then study the Bible through a lesson plan and have another intercessory prayer for a minute . And then break and start what we call worship hour which consist of another intercessory prayer for a minute, another worship song, tithing and another intercessory prayer for a minute and then maybe a song and children story. And then another intercessory prayer for a minute and then IMO sadly we listen to what is usually a good to great sermon for 45 to 90 minutes.

At best we worship, praising and praying through song and intercessory prayer to God for less than 15 minutes and listen to someone talk for 3 hours. Considering most wonder off mentally in and out due to not being directly involve Is this what it means to keep the day holy. Is our custom what God intended?
 
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Confusion is when someone comes into a denomination that has set standards of beliefs and tries to change them and claims members who hold to those beliefs are wrong, that they themself agreed to when becoming a member.

https://adventist.org/beliefs#belief-19
No, confusion comes when people incorporate their own interpretation into such things. RIF....

19. The Law of God​

The great principles of God’s law are embodied in the Ten Commandments and exemplified in the life of Christ. They express God’s love, will, and purposes concerning human conduct and relationships and are binding upon all people in every age.
Principles of God's Law are Embodied not are the Ten Commandments. The principles of God's Law which is the subject of the paragraph, which includes the Ten commandments is exemplified in the Life of Christ, not just the Ten Commandments. The principles of God's Law which is the subject of the paragraph, which includes the Ten commandments is the expression of God's will and purposes of human conduct and relationships not just the Ten commandments.
 
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No, confusion comes when people incorporate their own interpretation into such things. RIF....

Principles of God's Law are Embodied not are the Ten Commandments.
It says in the Ten Commandments meaning they each hold principles in the Ten Commandments, not outside Deut5:22, just as Jesus taught they mean much more than what's stated Mat5:19-30 Isa 42:21KJV Psa 119:96
The great principles of God’s law are embodied in the Ten Commandments and exemplified in the life of Christ.


FWIW, I also would consider not using the word "many" on how one thinks people keep God's Sabbath holy, that implies knowing what "many" does, where their heart is, which only God knows. That's me though.

Regarding church worship, we each can have different experiences in church with the same service. While some may look at it as ritual, others may see it as worshipping our Creator in a holy convocation as God said Lev23:3 it was never meant to be kept only at home, that's a misunderstanding of that verse, but to be in one body as believers and worshippers as we see in the life of Jesus Luke4:16 and the apostles Acts 17:2 Acts 15:21 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 and forevermore Isa66:23 . I do believe the Sabbath extends beyond worship service, its part of it though, but the entire day is holy Exo20:8 resting from work and labors Exo20:10 and the day we honor God keeping our minds on Him Isa 58:13 and the apostles and Jesus gave us many good examples of how to do this in the NT.

At any rate, Happy Sabbath to all and God bless!
 
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It says in the Ten Commandments meaning they each hold principles in the Ten Commandments, not outside Deut5:22, just as Jesus taught they mean much more than what's stated Mat5:19-30 Isa 42:21KJV Psa 119:96

In the least these of these commandments Jesus mentions some which are not of the ten.


Matthew 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

And again if it was not mentioned in the book of the law we are not to be laying with animals, marrying our sisters and brothers, fornication, eat unclean animals, touching dead things, abstaining from eating blood and what not then no one for the most part would know not to abstain from these practices.
 
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In the least these of these commandments Jesus mentions some which are not of the ten.
The first two commandments Jesus quoted are from the Ten Commandments and then after stated Furthermore which means in addition. Its odd you skipped over verse 32, but if you notice how Jesus even connected divorce right with the commandment to not commit adultery. If they were only literal as you seem to be teaching, how could that be, how could divorce from the book of Moses, be under the commandment to not commit adultery in God's Ten Commandments.

31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except [l]sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
Matthew 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
You might not consider swearing by oaths under the commandment to not lie, but I am pretty sure God does. Lev 19:12 Zechariah 8:16-17 Jer 7:9
And again if it was not mentioned in the book of the law we are not to be laying with animals, marrying our sisters and brothers, fornication, eat unclean animals, touching dead things, abstaining from eating blood and what not then no one for the most part would know not to abstain from these practices.
This is what was prophesied for Jesus to do....

Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Which means

גָּדַל gâdal, gaw-dal'; a primitive root; properly, to twist (compare H1434), i.e. to be (causatively make) large (in various senses, as in body, mind, estate or honor, also in pride):—advance, boast, bring up, exceed, excellent, be(-come, do, give, make, wax), great(-er, come to... estate, things), grow(up), increase, lift up, magnify(-ifical), be much set by, nourish (up), pass, promote, proudly (spoken), tower.

Its means to make bigger.

Jesus showed examples of this plainly when He related anger to the commandment to not murder, lust with the commandment to not commit adultery. These are just two examples, two principles but apply to all Ten Mat5:19

If lust is removed from my heart that Jesus connected to the commandment to not commit adultery Mat5:27-30 , I am not going to be laying with animals, having insect or any sins that would require lust in the heart to commit. If you need a law written in a book to tell you this, that's why the law of Moses was added because of sin (breaking God's laws Exo20:20 1John3:4 James 2:11) as a tutor to bring one back to Christ Gal3:10-19 and be in harmony with His will Psa 40:8 Heb8:10 if in Christ one no longer needs that tutor, because God’s laws are written in the heart and mind, and are exceedingly broad just as Jesus plainly showed examples of.

Mat 5:18-19 cannot be from the book because....

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

It was prophesized Jesus would magnify one law, the one He quoted from the Ten Commandments that not a jot or tittle can pass Mat5:18-19 written by God Himself Exo31:18 that nothing more was added Deut 5:22 which cannot be the law of Moses beside the ark added as a result of sin, as a witness against thee Deut 31:24-26 written by a human, because God promised to put an end to it, so more than a jot or tittle passed from this law.

Why no book is needed for God's saints Rev14:12 Rev22:14 why Judgement is not needed from the book Exo20:20 Ecc12:13-14 John12:48 James 2:11-12 Rev11:18-19 because there is nothing that is not covered under the whole law of God, written personally by God Himself, that the blood of Jesus atones for what is under His mercy seat Exo25:21 Exo31:18 Deut 4:13 Deut5:22 they are exceedingly broad Psa 119:96 God never needed to depend on a human to establish His righteousness Psa 119:142 Psa 89:14 Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2, it was long before man was created.

You're free to believe as you wish, but what I would like to ask you again, please stop misrepresenting my beliefs. I have explained my position, more than once. We do not have to agree, but telling people I think it’s okay to do these terrible things you accuse me of when I have repeatedly told you I don’t. I guess it’s something that will get sorted out soon enough.
 
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Paul's manner:

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.

Paul's confession:

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets.

In Paul's day, worshiping according to all things which are written in the law and in the prophets (the first table of the decalogue being front and center concerning worship), was called heresy.

History is repeating itself.
 
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