New not renewed Covenant

Studyman · Monday at 7:08 AM

HIM said:
No just is not justified in Rom 1:17 in the sense of being vindicated. Just means righteous. Here is the Greek and Hebrew word translated just in Rom 1:17 and Hab 2:4 in the KJV.

Strong's: From G1349; equitable (in character or act); by implication innocent holy (absolutely or relatively): - just meet right (-eous).
Strong's: From H6663; just: - just lawful righteous (man).

The righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. As it is written, the righteous shall live by faith. for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth.

I see, so in your religious philosophy, when it is written, "The Just shall live by Faith", these are men that have been righteous since birth, that have never sinned, never been "unrighteous" and therefore, never been Justified?

So when Paul says, "(For "not" the hearers of the law are "just" before God, but the "doers of the law" shall be justified., he doesn't understand the Greek?

Your preaching on this doesn't make any sense HIM. That a Just man, is a man that never sinned. Please explain to me how Abraham was not first Justified, BEFORE he became "Just", given he was over 70 years old before God even called him to repentance? Now this would make sense in Jesus' life, as HE never sinned, therefore HE was "Just" from His Youth.

When I did my studies concerning this, I found that the Greek for "Justified" was "dikaioó" = "To justify, to declare righteous, to acquit".

It was taken from the word, " dikaios" = "righteous, righteous man, right, just, righteous one, innocent, justice".

You quoted Paul, and I believe him as well, "All men have Sinned". Therefore all men have become unrighteous. Is this not true? If you believe it isn't true, then please explain in Scriptures, how I am understanding this wrong.

In my understanding of Scriptures, the reason why men sin, (Transgress God's commandments) is because they lack Faith in God, Yes? Sin makes them "Unrighteous", is this not true? But when a sinner "repents and turns to God in Faith, the Faith of Jesus (Obedience to God's Laws), does this "work" take away his unrighteousness? Does he justify himself? Or is he Justified by the Blood of Christ? Once Justified, this "new man" is to live by the Faith of Jesus, Yes?

Therefore it is written, concerning all men who have sinned, "The Just (Justified) shall Live by Faith.

HIM said:
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith (Of Abel, Noah and Abraham, all who had sinned, but were "Justified") to faith: (of Shadrack, Daniel, David, Caleb etc., all who also had sinned, but were justified) as it is written, The just (sinners that have been justified) shall live "by faith".

I don't see where the Bible supports your effort to separate the obedience of Christ from the Faith of Christ, or why you would even want to do so. And as I have pointed out, your attempt to separate "Just" from "Justified" also can not be supported by what is written in scriptures, when they all are considered. Even the Greek for these two words did not separate them. One was taken from the other.

So in the interest of Seeking and understanding God's Truth, either one of us is wrong in our understanding of this issue, or we are both wrong.

So please, if you still disagree with the case I made concerning a sinner being Justified, as Abraham was, before he can be "Just" and live by Faith, show me in Scriptures how I am deceived. Because my interest here is not self justification, not justifying my understanding or my every word, but seeking God's Righteousness and God's Truth so as to know God, and be known of God.

HIM · Monday at 8:31 AM

Studyman said:
I see, so in your religious philosophy, when it is written, "The Just shall live by Faith",

Considering you were shown an outright objective fact about the text and chose to ignore it says a lot.

Studyman said:
I don't see where the Bible supports your effort to separate the obedience of Christ from the Faith of Christ

I am not

Studyman · Monday at 4:53 PM

HIM said:
Considering you were shown an outright objective fact about the text and chose to ignore it says a lot.

It is so frustrating trying to reason with a promoter of this world's religions. Their entire agenda is to justify themselves, their adopted religious philosophies and their EVERY Word and every opinion. To do this, they present their opinions, that are clearly influenced by decades of popular religious philosophy, as "Objective Fact". When they are asked questions concerning their stated religious opinions, they refuse to answer because they know the answer exposes or certainly brings question to their religious opinions, that they are trying to sell to others as "objective facts". In my experience, which is quite extensive, they will go to great lengths to justify themselves, to justify their own hypocrisy and Hubris, rather than humble themselves to someone they judge as beneath them. This is because, Ironically, they believe they are already "Learnt". "Many", won't even hesitate to slander others, in an attempt to demean and discredit them, in order to divert attention away from the questions asked of them, concerning the religious philosophy they are promoting.

Those interested in seeking God's Truth can clearly see this behavior displayed by the mainstream preachers of Jesus Time as well. The Christ used the practice of asking questions regarding religious opinion, traditions and philosophies, so those being asked might be humbled, corrected and edified in the process, based on their own willingness to consider the Word of God, and be reproved or corrected by them, which is the very foundation of wisdom. But for the "Many", the blow to their pride to be shown a truth they didn't know, is just to great great a cost to them, especially from a no-body that the preacher has already judged as beneath "him", and not worthy of even the most common decency of answering questions when asked.

And the answer to the question might also correct the "asker". Cause him to see something he missed and be humbled, especially if he is seeking God's Truth. So it works both ways when 2 men are Seeking God's Truth.

You said on a public forum that I ignored the Scriptures you referenced, or your opinion concerning them, that you promote as "objective fact". You posted Rom. 1:17, and Hab. 2:4.

Here is my actual reply.

"I see, so in your religious philosophy, when it is written, "The Just shall live by Faith", these are men that have been righteous since birth, that have never sinned, never been "unrighteous" and therefore, never been Justified?

As you can see, to promote for false statement about me, you left off the part where I wasn't ignoring your post. I didn't ignore your post at all. That your post accused me of doing so, is a "falsehood", and that is an "objective fact".

Here is the part you omitted in order to help sell your slander.

So when Paul says, "(For "not" the hearers of the law are "just" before God, but the "doers of the law" shall be justified., he doesn't understand the Greek?

Your preaching on this doesn't make any sense HIM. That a Just man, is a man that never sinned. Please explain to me how Abraham was not first Justified, BEFORE he became "Just", given he was over 70 years old before God even called him to repentance? Now this would make sense in Jesus' life, as HE never sinned, therefore HE was "Just" from His Youth.

Did I ignore your use of the Greek meaning you posted to justify your religious opinion? Let's see.

When I did my studies concerning this, I found that the Greek for "Justified" was "dikaioó" = "To justify, to declare righteous, to acquit".

It was taken from the word, " dikaios" = "righteous, righteous man, right, just, righteous one, innocent, justice".

You quoted Paul, and I believe him as well, "All men have Sinned". Therefore all men have become unrighteous. Is this not true? If you believe it isn't true, then please explain in Scriptures, how I am understanding this wrong.

Of course you didn't answer, instead you diverted away from your religious opinion, by making subjective and Slanderous comments about my response to your stated Philosophy, No Different that the Mainstream Preachers of Romans 3, who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them, made slanderous statements about Paul's words. It's like Christ had these words written, because HE knew you would choose slander over honest discourse.

I continued not ignoring your religious opinions.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith (Of Abel, Noah and Abraham, all who had sinned, but were "Justified") to faith: (of Shadrack, Daniel, David, Caleb etc., all who also had sinned, but were justified) as it is written, The just (sinners that have been justified) shall live "by faith".

This was my response to your statement that you falsely and slanderously said I ignored. (Subjective comment) The exact same behavior the mainstream preachers of Paul's time, who had the Oracles of God but didn't believe them, made false and slanderous accusations concerning Paul's response to their religious opinions.

"No just is not justified in Rom 1:17 in the sense of being vindicated. Just means righteous.

I continued not ignoring your post.

I don't see where the Bible supports your effort to separate the obedience of Christ from the Faith of Christ, or why you would even want to do so. And as I have pointed out, your attempt to separate "Just" from "Justified" also can not be supported by what is written in scriptures, when they all are considered. Even the Greek for these two words did not separate them. One was taken from the other.

So in the interest of Seeking and understanding God's Truth, either one of us is wrong in our understanding of this issue, or we are both wrong.

So please, if you still disagree with the case I made concerning a sinner being Justified, as Abraham was, before he can be "Just" and live by Faith, show me in Scriptures how I am deceived. Because my interest here is not self justification, not justifying my understanding or my every word, but seeking God's Righteousness and God's Truth so as to know God, and be known of God.

You should really sit back and ponder about this behavior Him. You may not agree with my understanding, you may not be interested in being challenged in any way. So just say so, I'm happy to move on. But don't make of slanderous "Subjective Comments" just because you may not like the questions you are being asked. The "Damnation" Paul speaks to for those who engage in this behavior, is nothing to scoff at, in my view.

HIM · Tuesday at 5:14 AM

Studyman said:
Did I ignore your use of the Greek meaning you posted to justify your religious opinion? Let's see.
When I did my studies concerning this, I found that the Greek for "Justified" was "dikaioó" = "To justify, to declare righteous, to acquit".

It was taken from the word, " dikaios" = "righteous, righteous man, right, just, righteous one, innocent, justice".

You quoted Paul, and I believe him as well, "All men have Sinned". Therefore all men have become unrighteous. Is this not true? If you believe it isn't true, then please explain in Scriptures, how I am understanding this wrong.

You made a mistake, you did not study anything in respect to the Rom 1:16,17 in relation to the word "just". It is Dikaios not dikaioo. That was what was shared with you that you ignored. Here is how it is defined again.
Thayer:
Original: δίκαιος
- Transliteration: Dikaios
- Phonetic: dik'-ah-yos
- Definition:
1. righteous, observing divine laws

Strong's: From G1349; equitable (in character or act); by implication innocent holy (absolutely or relatively): - just meet right (-eous). .

BDAG:
δίκαιος, αία, ον (s. δικαιοσύνη; Hom.+; loanw. in rabb.)
pert. to being in accordance with high standards of rectitude, upright, just, fair

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Just is not justified in Rom 1:17 in the sense of being vindicated. Just means righteous.

The righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. As it is written, the righteous shall live by faith. for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth.

Studyman said:
Your post is trying, it seems based on it's content, to separate belief (Faith) in God, from obedience to God, and calling it two different types of Justification. But Paul doesn't do this in Romans or Galatians.

No the post brings out righteousness is manifested from faith, for the just (the righteous) shall live by Faith. And that by the written Law, the Oracles of God the Jews were given. nobody lived up to because all have sinned and those who were in the Law knew they were guilty before God because by the Law, the oracles of God, no flesh shall be justified, seen as righteous. For by the Law, the oracles of God they were given is the knowledge of sin. Therefore all the world was guilty before God. Even those Given the Law because they could see their sin from being in the Law, for by the Law is the knowledge of sin, So no one was justified, seen as righteous in their eyes.

The blood of bulls and goats and ashes of a heifer didn't give the knowledge of sin they cleansed us from sin. They are not what is being spoken here. (Heb 9:13) And Dikaioo means more than justified in the sense that you are using it. It means to SHOW, Exhibit, evince righteous and or render righteous as you shared. In the same chapter in Rom 3:4 is another example of Dikaioo being used in the sense of showing, revealing righteousness. Certainly you are not going to say God is rendered righteous, right?

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Ps 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

Thayer:
- Original: δικαιόω
- Transliteration: Dikaioo
- Phonetic: dik-ah-yo'-o
- Definition:
1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

Studyman · Tuesday at 7:27 AM

HIM said:
You made a mistake, you did not study anything in respect to the Rom 1:16,17 in relation to the word "just". It is Dikaios not dikaioo. That was what was shared with you that you ignored. Here is how it is defined again.

And yet, LOL, you posted my own words in which I quoted "dikaios". Personally I despise the very popular religious tradition engaged in by the promoters of this world's religious philosophies, of taking one or two verses, separating them from the rest of the Bible, then twisting them or using it to justify a religious opinion that could not stand if more of God's Inspired Words were considered. It's a detestable habit. Even a child knows they should listen to all the words of their mother, not just the words they like.

I don't engage in such foolishness anymore. That is why I not only addressed Rom. 1:16,17, but I also considered Paul's entire message, including "(For not the hearers of the law are "just" before God, but the doers of the law "shall be justified". This is why I included the Greek definition of Justified and Just in mu studies, because Paul used them both in the same chapter you are preaching down to me about. And I study to Seek God's Truth, not justify my religious opinions. This is why I ask questions.

I asked you several questions, even asking that you "please" to answer them. But clearly you are too holy in your own mind, to offer a nobody like me, even the most common and decent of courtesies. As Jesus said, "By their works you shall know them".

I also posted Paul's Words, inspired by the Spirit of Christ, that all men, except One, have sinned, and therefore all men are "unrighteous". Can I make myself "Just" ( righteous, innocent holy), and then Live by Faith? Or do I, as a sinner, need to be "Declared Righteous" by the Grace of God, and then live by Faith?

Will you answer even this question?

It is written about Noah, a man who sinned and fell shorty of the Glory of God.

8 But Noah "found grace" in the eyes of the LORD. Why did Noah need Grace? Because he was spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, Yes? He needed to be justified (To justify, to "declare righteous", to acquit) by God through His Grace, Yes?

And what does a man who has been "Declared Righteous" by GOD, become? Does he not become a "JUST" man?

9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was "a just man" and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

And how does God/Christ instruct an unrighteous man, who has sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, repented, turned to God and is bringing forth "works" worthy of repentance, and has been "declared righteous" (Just) by God through His Grace, to live? As it is written, "The Just shall live by Faith".

Rom 1: 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ (The Word of God who became flesh): for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.17 For therein (Law and Prophets) is the righteousness of God revealed from faith (Of Abel, Noah and Abraham, all who had sinned, but were "Justified") to faith: (of Shadrack, Daniel, David, Caleb etc., all who also had sinned, but were justified) as it is written, The just (sinners that have been justified) shall live "by faith".

So I didn't ignore or miss your religious opinion, or your use of selective words and verses to justify and promote your religious opinion.

I simply studied Paul's whole message, including the LAW and Prophets that HE quoted and taught from, believing all that was written therein.

And am sharing with you an understanding that includes Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Now you are free to refuse to answer questions concerning your religious opinions, and you can refuse to address the Scriptures that can't be used to "justify" said opinion if you want.

HIM said:
Thayer:
Original: δίκαιος
- Transliteration: Dikaios
- Phonetic: dik'-ah-yos
- Definition:
1. righteous, observing divine laws

Strong's: From G1349; equitable (in character or act); by implication innocent holy (absolutely or relatively): - just meet right (-eous). .

BDAG:
δίκαιος, αία, ον (s. δικαιοσύνη; Hom.+; loanw. in rabb.)
pert. to being in accordance with high standards of rectitude, upright, just, fair

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Just is not justified in Rom 1:17 in the sense of being vindicated. Just means righteous.

Nevertheless, you have already sinned, and are already unrighteousness, already dead in trespasses and sins, as all men. Your preaching that you can make yourself alive, take away your own unrighteousness, vindicate yourself and make yourself "Just", and then "Live by Faith", might be a popular religious philosophy of this world somewhere, but there is nowhere in the Bible where the Spirit of Christ teaches any such foolishness.

Once a man sins, He must be "Declared Righteous" by God before he can be righteous.

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified (Declared Righteous) freely by his grace (Like Noah and all examples of Faith in the Holy Scriptures) through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

You can't bypass this part and make yourself "just".

HIM · Thursday at 5:14 AM

Studyman said:
I also posted Paul's Words, inspired by the Spirit of Christ, that all men, except One, have sinned, and therefore all men are "unrighteous". Can I make myself "Just" ( righteous, innocent holy), and then Live by Faith? Or do I, as a sinner, need to be "Declared Righteous" by the Grace of God, and then live by Faith?

Will you answer even this question?

I already did. Here it is it again

HIM said:
Romans 3 speaks of two different types of being just. The righteousness which is done through living through the Law which no one has done but Jesus. And the righteousness that is done by living through faith which establishes the Law but can only be done by accepting Christ in our hearts.

Little children be not deceived he that does righteousness is righteous even as He is righteous.

Studyman said:
Nevertheless, you have already sinned, and are already unrighteousness, already dead in trespasses and sins, as all men. Your preaching that you can make yourself alive,

Nope, not even once

Studyman said:
Once a man sins, He must be "Declared Righteous" by God before he can be righteous.

Faith comes from God.
And I Never said anything different.

Studyman said:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified (Declared Righteous) freely by his grace (Like Noah and all examples of Faith in the Holy Scriptures) through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

You can't bypass this part and make yourself "just".

No we can't.

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is through faith of Jesus Christ INTO all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Gal 2:16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not through faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed INTO Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by the faith OF Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

For we are dead but alive, yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith OF Christ Jesus who gave Himself for us.

For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ

There is to be no Him or studyman we are to be one in Christ and heirs according to the promise.

Studyman · Thursday at 10:57 AM

HIM said:
I already did. Here it is it again

Rom. 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Now that you have been justified freely by God's Grace, through the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus "Go and sin no more", AKA "Faith". Now that you have been justified freely by God's Grace, through the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus "Go and Live by Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God," AKA Faith. Now that you have been justified freely by God's Grace, through the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus, now go and "Live by Faith", Why?

Hab. 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up "is not upright in him": but the just ( those who have been justified freely by God's Grace, through the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus) shall live by his faith.

HIM said:
Little children be not deceived he that does righteousness is righteous even as He is righteous.

Luke 13: 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye "shall all likewise perish".

Little children, (now that you have been Justified freely by the Grace of God), be not deceived he that "does righteousness" is righteous even as He is righteous.

1 Jn. 2: 3 And herebywe do knowthat we know him, "if we keep his commandments."

HIM said:
Nope, not even once

Here are your own Words. "Romans 3 speaks of different types of justification. The one is from one keeping the Law and not sinning and the other is the justification from faith.

Yielding oneself, submitting oneself, humbling oneself in respect, honor and obedience to God, "IS Faith". But without being Freely Justified by the Grace of God, you are still guilty of your past sins.

This is the fatal error in your philosophy.

HIM said:
Faith comes from God.

Rom. 10: 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing "by the word of God".

I have heard this religious philosophy promoted by Calvinists since my youth. That God picks winners and losers, based on nothing they choose to do, like some "holy lottery", and if your name in picked, regardless of your free will life choices, you are given Faith by God, and if your name isn't picked, God withholds Faith from you.

I reject this foolish, but popular religious philosophy, based on all that is written in Scriptures.

Deut. 32: 15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed "the Rock of his salvation".

16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. 17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. 18 Of "the Rock that begat thee" thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee. 19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, "because" of the provoking "of his sons", and "of his daughters". 20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, "children in whom is no faith".

Did God "Withhold Faith" from them, and that is why the rebelled against Him? Or did they rebel against Him, and that is why they didn't receive Faith?

HIM said:
And I Never said anything different.

Now come on Him, your entire argument with me on this topic began when I said "the Just shall live by Faith", means those men who were justified of their past unrighteousness, shall Live by Faith. You said;

" Just is not justified in Rom 1:17 in the sense of being vindicated. Just means righteous."

Now you are saying something completely different, now are are agreeing with my position.

Once a man sins, He must be "Declared Righteous" by God before he can be righteous.

So you have done a flip flop, which I am glad to see, and come to understand that an unrighteous man must be freely justified by God, before they can become Just. So when the Holy Scriptures say, concerning all men who have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, and have become unrighteous, "The Just shall Live by Faith", I am in 100% agreement with this philosophy, "He must be "Declared Righteous" by God before he can be righteous."

That was my entire reason for bringing up your stated religious philosophy in the first place.

HIM said:
No we can't.

But your whole sermon was founded on the belief that Paul speaks of different types of justification. The one is from one keeping the Law and not sinning and the other is the justification from faith.

But now you are in agreement with me "Once a man sins, He must be "Declared Righteous" by God before he can be righteous".

It appears you didn't answer my questions publicly, which would have been humiliating, but you did so privately.

I am glad you considered and have become renewed in the spirit of your mind.

HIM said:
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Without "What Law"? The Law that showed Noah, Abraham, Moses and Abraham's Children was Sin is? Or the Law that was "ADDED" 430 years after God gave Abraham His Laws that show what sin is? How can the Righteousness of God be manifest "Without the Laws of God" that show them what sin is? But a Priesthood Law, created "because of Sin" (Transgression of God's Law that shows what sin is) that Abraham wasn't given, in fact, wasn't even "ADDED" until 430 after God said HE Blessed Isaac "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws", that Law wasn't necessary to manifest the Righteousness of God, as it wasn't even "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham.

You are mistaken Him, and your philosophy here, which has been promoted by the religions of this world since we were kids, is an error. As the Scriptures I have posted, and the questions I have asked you clearly expose.

HIM said:
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is through faith of Jesus Christ INTO all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

When did Jesus promote, imply, or live by the rejection of the Laws of God that showed Him what sin is? AKA, the Faith of Christ?

Now answer me this, how many times did Jesus instruct men to bring to him a goat or a calf or a turtle dove, and "Kill it" so HE could sprinkle the blood on the alter before HE would provide for the Forgiveness of their sins?

This is what Jesus meant by "Leaven". You have adopted a doctrine that doesn't reflect the Truth of God, and reading Scriptures through the prism of this Leaven, leavens your entire mind. It puffs itself up so that you believe your are "Learnt", but you are not. And because you have been convinced that you are impervious to the religious traditions and doctrines that surround you, there is no attempt on your part to discern imaginations that exalt themselves against the knowledge of God, nor do you bring into captivity every thought, to the obedience that was in Christ. I know this, because I carry the same cross. I have been deceived by the same influence. I don't like correction either. I have pride too.

I truly hope you will humble yourself just a little, and answer these questions. Even if you are too prideful to answer them in public. How do you know it isn't Christ that has chosen an ass (donkey) to humble you?

HIM said:
Gal 2:16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law,

By what Law? What Law were the Pharisees promoting to the Galatians? The Law of God that shows men what sin is? Or the Law concerning animal sacrifices and burnt offerings that a man who sinned was to take to a Levite Priest, and Kill, that was ADDED 430 years after God said Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws?

HIM said:
if not through faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed INTO Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by the faith OF Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

You are still trying to separate honor and obedience to God that was in Christ Jesus, from the Faith in God that was in Christ Jesus. And you refuse to answer any of my questions concerning what "LAW" the Pharisees were promoting for the remission of Sins.

HIM said:
For we are dead but alive, yet not us but Christ lives in us and the life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith OF Christ Jesus who gave Himself for us.

If this is true, then you should be able, willing and even eager to answer my questions.

HIM said:
For we who have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ

There are "many" who claim to "put on Christ". Jesus specifically instructed me to take heed of their religious philosophy, more than one as the man Jesus, but multiple times as the Rock of Israel in the Holy Scriptures that were written for my admonition, "upon whom the ends of the world have come".

HIM said:
There is to be no Him or studyman we are to be one in Christ and heirs according to the promise.

What promise and inheritance would that be? Wouldn't it be the Promises Christ gave to Abraham, that his children will inherit? Or did God abandon those promises for a "NEW, not-renewed promise, and a new, not renewed inheritance?

HIM · Thursday at 2:41 PM

Studyman said:
There are "many" who claim to "put on Christ". Jesus specifically instructed me to take heed of their religious philosophy, more than one as the man Jesus, but multiple times as the Rock of Israel in the Holy Scriptures that were written for my admonition, "upon whom the ends of the world have come".

God’s word in Galatians 3.

You reject it?

Studyman · Thursday at 3:52 PM

HIM said:
God’s word in Galatians 3.

Actually the entire Bible is "God's Word", Not just Galatians 3, in my understanding. How can I understand Galatians 3 if I refuse to accept Gods Words about Abraham? And Jer. 7:22. And Isaiah 1:1-20, and Every Word Jesus used to define the Law the Pharisees promoted, and the rest of the Scriptures concerning the Law the Jews relied on for justification?

HIM said:
You reject it?

If you would only read my posts and answer my questions, you would understand the folly of your question.

But thanks for the exercise, it is good for me to ponder and seek Gods truth on these topics.

HIM · 2026-06-28T05:40:15-0500

HIM said:
God’s word in Galatians 3.

You reject it?

Studyman said:
If you would only read my posts and answer my questions, you would understand the folly of your question.

You said, "There are "many" who claim to "put on Christ". Jesus specifically instructed me to take heed of their religious philosophy,"

Here you are implying that the teaching and those who claim the teaching are part of some religious philosophy.

This rejection is why you have issues understanding Galatians and Romans.

This premise of faith for the most part is what I have been sharing with you.

HIM · 2026-06-28T06:22:43-0500

Studyman said:
Rom. 10: 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing "by the word of God".

I have heard this religious philosophy promoted by Calvinists since my youth. That God picks winners and losers, based on nothing they choose to do, like some "holy lottery", and if your name in picked, regardless of your free will life choices, you are given Faith by God, and if your name isn't picked, God withholds Faith from you.

I reject this foolish, but popular religious philosophy, based on all that is written in Scriptures.

No you don't. You reject because you do not understand and can't be told because of your own misunderstanding.

Your comment above was said in response to you being told "faith comes from God". By rejecting this truth you reject the Gospel. And by this you misunderstand basis of almost everything in the Holy Writ.

God from the creation of the World has manifested in man and shewed the invisible things of Him due to their unrighteousness so they are without excuse. Even His eternal power and Divinity. Through this goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; God leadeth us to repentance. To every man, do not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man, not some the measure of faith. For God has said, the righteousness of Faith speaketh on this wise, say not who shall bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. But what saith it? The Word, the divine utterances are in thy mouth and in thy heart that we do them. THAT is the Word of faith in which we preach. For through the heart man believeth INTO righteousness and with the mouth ASSENTING is made unto the soul.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.;

HIM · 2026-06-28T07:53:31-0500

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith (Of Abel, Noah and Abraham, all who had sinned, but were "Justified") to faith: (of Shadrack, Daniel, David, Caleb etc., all who also had sinned, but were justified) as it is written, The just (sinners that have been justified) shall live "by faith".

I don't see where the Bible supports your effort to separate the obedience of Christ from the Faith of Christ, or why you would even want to do so. And as I have pointed out, your attempt to separate "Just" from "Justified" also can not be supported by what is written in scriptures, when they all are considered. Even the Greek for these two words did not separate them. One was taken from the other.

Haven't, we have to have faith in order to be obedient. And this is from the beginning of time.
And That is the sum of everything has been shared with you. Which you deny.

Studyman said:
Rom 1: 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ (The Word of God who became flesh): for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.17 For therein (Law and Prophets) is the righteousness of God revealed from faith (Of Abel, Noah and Abraham, all who had sinned, but were "Justified") to faith: (of Shadrack, Daniel, David, Caleb etc., all who also had sinned, but were justified) as it is written, The just (sinners that have been justified) shall live "by faith".

So I didn't ignore or miss your religious opinion, or your use of selective words and verses to justify and promote your religious opinion.

No, in verse 17 the clause "for therein" refers to the Gospel which is the power of God unto salvation to every one who believes not the Law and the Prophets. And the text actually says out of faith into faith for the just shall live out of faith. (see below)

Out of Christ, His Spirit into our hearts imparts His Word, the Divine utterances of God. Out the heart man speaketh and doeth. For God has said, The righteousness of faith doesn't say bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. No, not at all. It says the Word, the Divine utterances is in our heart and in our mouth. This is the faith the just, the righteous live by and establishes the law. For without Christ we can do nothing. For with the heart man believeth INTO righteousness. This the faith in which Paul and I preach. And God has given everyman a measure of this.

This the faith in which Paul and I preach and is the premise of Romans and Galatians.

The righteousness of God through this faith is now being manifested without the Law, the oracles of God that gives the knowledge of sin. The righteousness of God which is through faith of Jesus INTO all and upon all that believeth, for there is no difference. This faith establishes the Law that the oracles of God spoke of. For His word, His LAW is in our hearts, that we do it. This is the faith in which we preach. And without this faith it is impossible to please Him.

Rom 1:17 δικαιοσύνη Righteousness
γὰρ For
θεοῦ Of God
ἐν In
αὐτῷ It
ἀποκαλύπτεται Is Revealed
ἐκ OUT OF
πίστεως Faith
εἰς INTO
πίστιν Faith;
καθὼς According As
γέγραπται It Has Been Written,
Ὁ the
δὲ but
δίκαιος Just
ἐκ OUT OF
πίστεως Faith
ζήσεται Shall Live.

Without "What Law"? The Law that showed Noah, Abraham, Moses and Abraham's Children was Sin is? Or the Law that was "ADDED" 430 years after God gave Abraham His Laws that show what sin is? How can the Righteousness of God be manifest "Without the Laws of God" that show them what sin is? But a Priesthood Law, created "because of Sin" (Transgression of God's Law that shows what sin is) that Abraham wasn't given, in fact, wasn't even "ADDED" until 430 after God said HE Blessed Isaac "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws", that Law wasn't necessary to manifest the Righteousness of God, as it wasn't even "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham.

The Law that was manifested was that which was written on the Tables of Stone and parchment. ALL of it.

IT was added because of transgressions because of harden hearts and stiff necks. They as we can and will grieve God's Spirit away if we ignore His guiding to the point where we do not even hear Him. This was the condition of most of Israel and the World at the time of the Exodus. And why God inspired all to be written.

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