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Senate walks back rebuke of Trump over Iran war

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This strengthens the U.S. negotiating position with Iran. The Iranians have been courting the American radical left/radical Islam coalition and they have been Iran's best hope. But it never should have been voted upon, Congress should not try and usurp the powers of the presidency. Congress only has the right to declare war, not the right to decide whether to wage war or not.
 

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Trump started this Iran invasion , with out the approval of Congress. This invasion cost lives an Iran elementary school's kids to be murdered and our soldiers and other people to lose their lives. Iran is getting 20 billions dollars. And 300 billions for the clean up and rebuilding. The price might go up. And Iran will get more money for their gasoline. Congress didn't approve this nonsense the first time. They are stopping this nonsense so, America doesn't lose more money.You much be confused that Iran can't take more war. Obama had a deal and Trump screwed it up. Thanks so Trump, Iran will get a lot more money. With more control. If Iran wants to build nuclear power. Trump invasion, murders of Iran should have never happened in the first place
 
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Trump started this Iran invasion , with out the approval of Congress. This invasion cost lives an Iran elementary school's kids to be murdered and our soldiers and other people to lose their lives. Iran is getting 20 billions dollars. And 300 billions for the clean up and rebuilding. The price might go up. And Iran will get more money for their gasoline. Congress didn't approve this nonsense the first time. They are stopping this nonsense so, America doesn't lose more money.You much be confused that Iran can't take more war. Obama had a deal and Trump screwed it up. Thanks so Trump, Iran will get a lot more money. With more control. If Iran wants to build nuclear power. Trump invasion, murders of Iran should have never happened in the first place
Why no complaints about Clinton and Obama and Biden taking military action without authorization by Congress? Why this continuing double standard? The U.S. is an early negotiations with Iran, we don't know the final details, indeed, there may be no agreement. The murders of tens of thousands of Iranian citizens should not have happened, but they did. The Obama deal was a clear path to a nuclear weapon. While Trump pulled the U.S. out the deal remained with Iran and China and Russia and the U.K. and France and Germany.
 

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Why no complaints about Clinton and Obama and Biden taking military action without authorization by Congress?

Did Biden or Obama start a war of choice? Otherwise, that might be why people judge them differently. Clinton predates CF, so why would you expect that anyone here to have expressed an opinion?

Why this continuing double standard? The U.S. is an early negotiations with Iran, we don't know the final details, indeed, there may be no agreement. The murders of tens of thousands of Iranian citizens should not have happened, but they did. The Obama deal was a clear path to a nuclear weapon. While Trump pulled the U.S. out the deal remained with Iran and China and Russia and the U.K. and France and Germany.
 
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This strengthens the U.S. negotiating position with Iran.

How so?

The Iranian regime has already absorbed a combined US / Israeli air campaign and demonstrated the U.S. has no answer for the closing of the strait. Trump knows the strait must remain open else risking a increased inflation on US consumers due to escalating energy costs. In his desperation to open the Strait, he has already started giving away what little leverage the U.S. has:
- Immediate lifting of sanctions on Iranian oil
- Access to 300 Billion dolllars
 
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Did Biden or Obama start a war of choice? Otherwise, that might be why people judge them differently. Clinton predates CF, so why would you expect that anyone here to have expressed an opinion?
My bad. That was meant for the poster below whose forgettery seems better than their memory.

Harken back when Congress approved the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force for those wars started under Bush.
Why no complaints about Clinton and Obama and Biden taking military action without authorization by Congress?
 
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Did Biden or Obama start a war of choice? Otherwise, that might be why people judge them differently. Clinton predates CF, so why would you expect that anyone here to have expressed an opinion?
Yes, certainly Obama authorized an attack against Libya. The date of CF is irrelevant, history didn't start on that day. Clinton launched a U.S. attack against Kosovo. Presidents make those decisions, they they have the power under the U.S. Constitution to do so.
 

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Yes, certainly Obama authorized an attack against Libya.

As an humanitarian mission, iirc.

The date of CF is irrelevant, history didn't start on that day. Clinton launched a U.S. attack against Kosovo.

That was also as an humanitarian intervention, iirc.

But why would you expect that anyone on CF would comment about it? What is the double standard?


Presidents make those decisions, they they have the power under the U.S. Constitution to do so.
 
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Yes, certainly Obama authorized an attack against Libya. The date of CF is irrelevant, history didn't start on that day. Clinton launched a U.S. attack against Kosovo. Presidents make those decisions, they they have the power under the U.S. Constitution to do so.
UN Security Council Resolution 1973. Libya was a NATO operation. When action started, unlike Trump, Obama notified congress within 48 hrs to start the 60 day clock. He even addressed the nation. Something Trump didn't do either. Once the 60 day is up, it's up to Congress to act. In the case of Obama congress didn't act.
 
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UN Security Council Resolution 1973. Libya was a NATO operation. When action started, unlike Trump, Obama notified congress within 48 hrs to start the 60 day clock. He even addressed the nation. Something Trump didn't do either. Once the 60 day is up, it's up to Congress to act. In the case of Obama congress didn't act.
A resolution is not an operation. Obama consulted leadership in Congress, but it was Obama who authorized military action:

"It was not in our national interest to let that happen. I refused to let that happen. And so nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973."
 

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Yes, certainly Obama authorized an attack against Libya. The date of CF is irrelevant, history didn't start on that day. Clinton launched a U.S. attack against Kosovo. Presidents make those decisions, they they have the power under the U.S. Constitution to do so.

War Powers Resolution 1973

b) Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.


The Trump adminstration is operating outside the law.
 
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A resolution is not an operation. Obama consulted leadership in Congress, but it was Obama who authorized military action:

"It was not in our national interest to let that happen. I refused to let that happen. And so nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973."
Authorized as in what any president can do as long as they notify congress within 48 hours, then the 60 day clock kicks in where authorization is required. Congress didn't act either way.
 
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