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Former Olympian among those charged with vandalizing Reflecting Pool

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That's very imaginative. And of course when evidence of vandalism is produced you'll claim it's all fake.

It doesn't take much imagination. After all, we have been observing Trump's abuse of power for 11 years.
 
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Its about whats most likely.

Trump lying is extremely likely. Lies roll out of his face like water. He doesn't appears to have any shame in lying about things that anyone can easily verify.

This is objectively true.
It's not a situation where Trump made up a story that doesn't go any further than truth social. It's a situation where the US Park Police arrested people for vandalism with the assistance of the National Guard. You're talking about many people risking their careers and risking prison time to cover up a relatively small problem if it's actually the pool guy's fault.
 
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It's highly unlikely the department of the interior is making it up.
You’re right. I think incompetence and a poor, rushed job are the real culprits here. I was just making the point that it’s certainly possible people under this president are also lying to him and not just to the American people.
 
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It's not a situation where Trump made up a story that doesn't go any further than truth social. It's a situation where the US Park Police arrested people for vandalism with the assistance of the National Guard. You're talking about many people risking their careers and risking prison time to cover up a relatively small problem if it's the pool guy's fault.
Under this admin we've seen loads of showy and political arrests by fed law enforcement only for charges to be quietly dropped later.
 
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It's not a situation where Trump made up a story that doesn't go any further than truth social. It's a situation where the US Park Police arrested people for vandalism with the assistance of the National Guard. You're talking about many people risking their careers and risking prison time to cover up a relatively small problem if it's actually the pool guy's fault.
Aren’t you the ones that alleged Trump was supposedly charged, arrested, tried and convicted on totally false, trumped up charges?

We’re supposed to believe this same government that would do that to a former president would never arrest some random person with false charges to cover up their own incompetence?
 
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In applying occam's razor it's more likely that the department of interior arrested actual vandals. That's far less convoluted and far fetched.

Yes
Occam's razor.
With Trump, Occam's razor is applied very differently whether Trump still has your trust or not.
 
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That's very imaginative. And of course when evidence of vandalism is produced you'll claim it's all fake.
You seem confident that "evidence of vandalism" will be produced. But what constitutes evidence of vandalism? Does mere possession of a portion of polyurea coating that David Hearn says he was just touching constitute vandalism? Did they catch him with a box cutter? It would take more than a box cutter to detach a properly applied coating of industrial polyurea, which is supposed to be bonded with the substrate. If it was loose enough to be peeled away by hand then it had already failed.
 
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It doesn't take much imagination. After all, we have been observing Trump's abuse of power for 11 years.
A good deal of imagination and exaggeration has been put into that as well.
 
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That's very imaginative. And of course when evidence of vandalism is produced you'll claim it's all fake.
I tell you what, kiddo, if objective proof of vandalism is produced… And I mean OBJECTIVE proof. Not Trump’s 4am toilet tweets or random person holding the already detached pool liner for social media clout (which is stupid under this sue and arrest-happy administration but not vandalism ), but tangible, tactile, objective proof, then I will happily concede that it was vandalized.

Since we grant pardons to people found guilty of worse instances of vandalism to government property, of course I expect they will be promptly pardoned and given an apology, along with restitution paid them by the government.
 
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You seem confident that "evidence of vandalism" will be produced. But what constitutes evidence of vandalism? Does mere possession of a portion of polyurea coating that David Hearn says he was just touching constitute vandalism? Did they catch him with a box cutter? It would take more than a box cutter to detach a properly applied coating of industrial polyurea, which is supposed to be bonded with the substrate. If it was loose enough to be peeled away by hand then it had already failed.
I'm confident that it's a possibility. The evidence would be the extensive 24/7 surveillance showing footage of people vandalizing the pool.
 
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A good deal of imagination and exaggeration has been put into that as well.

Did I imagine "judge Jeanine" prosecuting the D.C. sub thrower? DId I imagine the goon squad arresting the perp when his lawyer had already communicated he was going to turn himself in?
 
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Yes
Occam's razor.
With Trump, Occam's razor is applied very differently whether Trump still has your trust or not.
That's not a factor in my application of occam's razor.
 
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Aren’t you the ones that alleged Trump was supposedly charged, arrested, tried and convicted on totally false, trumped up charges?
I'm not part or member of any political group. In my view that's simply a possibility.
We’re supposed to believe this same government that would do that to a former president would never arrest some random person with false charges to cover up their own incompetence?
It would be an extremely high stakes risk elaborate conspiracy regarding a relatively small problem that exists with the reflecting pool. It's not Watergate, it's a couple of small tears (volume wise) in a reflecting pool.

People are acting like if it's found out that it's the contractor's fault, that will utterly destroy Trump. So he and several others had to go to great lengths to keep that from happening.
 
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Did I imagine "judge Jeanine" prosecuting the D.C. sub thrower? DId I imagine the goon squad arresting the perp when his lawyer had already communicated he was going to turn himself in?
No those are well documented occurrences.
 
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I tell you what, kiddo
Snarky is a bad way to start off.
if objective proof of vandalism is produced… And I mean OBJECTIVE proof. Not Trump’s 4am toilet tweets or random person holding the already detached pool liner for social media clout (which is stupid under this sue and arrest-happy administration but not vandalism ), but tangible, tactile, objective proof, then I will happily concede that it was vandalized.

Since we grant pardons to people found guilty of worse instances of vandalism to government property, of course I expect they will be promptly pardoned and given an apology, along with restitution paid them by the government.
Time will tell.
 
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Do you trust Trump?
Between trust and mistrust I'm neutral. Also the situation should be evaluated outside of what Trump says in my opinion. It seems certain people are viewing the situation based on how they feel about Trump. To me that shouldn't be a factor.
 
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I'm not part or member of any political group. In my view that's simply a possibility.

It would be an extremely high stakes risk elaborate conspiracy regarding a relatively small problem that exists with the reflecting pool. It's not Watergate, it's a couple of small tears (volume wise) in a reflecting pool.
High stakes?
What high stakes?
There's never "high stakes" with this adminstration.

People are acting like if it's found out that it's the contractor's fault, that will utterly destroy Trump. So he and several others had go to great lengths to keep that from happening.
No. Nobody think that will utterly destory trump. Nobody is ACTING like that either.

It seems certain people are viewing the situation based on how they feel about Trump. To me that shouldn't be a factor.
Posters will confuse how people "Feel" about Trump with people remembering previous behaviours. I imagine people talk about that because it's easier to dismiss every grievance as just other people's "feelings" instead of being totally unable to justify Trump's mysanthropic behaviours.

We are too sensitive and soft.

The belief is that previous behaviour is not a good predictor on current and future behaviour belies a clear lack of knowledge in the human condition.
 
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