Do you eat pork?

Xeno.of.athens · Monday at 5:28 PM

Christ's Bride said:
in 60 years never found one scripture including prophecy stating the Torah was not eternal.

what you have written is Rome -- which I reject 100%

Well, I am not surprised at your statement of rejection. And yes, the holy scriptures are Rome, as you no doubt know in some secret place in your heart and mind. But you are mistaken to think that the Torah (five books of Moses) are eternal.

The claim that the Torah is eternal in all its parts is directly contradicted by Holy Scripture itself. St Paul teaches that “a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness” (Heb 7:18) and that Christ “abolished in His flesh the law of commandments in ordinances” (Eph 2:15). The apostles, under the Holy Spirit, explicitly refused to impose the Mosaic Torah on Christians (Acts 15:28–29), and Christ Himself “declared all foods clean” (Mark 7:19). Catholic dogma simply repeats what Scripture already says: the ceremonial and judicial precepts of the Old Covenant have passed away, while the moral law endures. The Council of Florence infallibly states that the Mosaic legal prescriptions “ceased with the coming of the Gospel” (DS 1348). Rejecting Rome does not erase the plain meaning of the New Testament; it only rejects the very Church that preserved these Scriptures and defined their canon.

SabbathBlessings · Monday at 5:29 PM

Carl Emerson said:
I did point out that the way you present Scripture is judgemental.

I literally quoted Scripture, which is the topic of this thread can we eat pork and quoting what God said He will judge us by at His Second Coming, your offense would have to be what God said. I guess thats why they say God’s Word is a sword. It cuts and we don’t always like it.

Carl Emerson said:
Looking at it further EGW does not seem to specifically associate Pork eating with Salvation although she did say that the faithful waiting on the Lords coming would be vegitarians.

She is, however, quoted saying...

Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 6, specifically pages 354-356, that 'keeping the Sabbath holy unto the Lord means eternal salvation'

So this claim is dividing the followers of Jesus between those who observe a day and those who do not (exactly what Paul said not to do.)

Once again another misrepresentation, you said she said only SDA’s will be saved, nothing about if we can be saved if disobey one of God’s commandments, thats a different argument. No one is saved in sin Heb10:26-30 sin is breaking. God’s law- His version because He is God 1 John3:4 James 2:11 we are saved from sin Mat1:21- a total transformation in Christ, keeping God’s commandments is a result of our salvation in Him Rev14:12 Rev22:14 not a means to it. If we love God why would we not want to join ourselves to Him, love His name and serve Him the way He asks Isa 56:6.

Hentenza · Monday at 5:32 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
No Moses here

Moses wrote the first 5 books so, yes, Moses there.

SabbathBlessings said:
Exo20:6 Exo20:1-17 Exo20:20 Deut4:13 Exo31:18 Exo32:16 Jer 7:21-23 only for those who do not believe God at His word and mistake the creation for the Creator Exo20:11 Rev14:6-12

Then show me anyone keeping the sabbath before Moses.

Christ's Bride · Monday at 5:43 PM

Christ's Bride said:
If you will not believe the words from the mouth of Jesus Christ --- there is no point in going further

Hentenza, I will offer, hopefully, my final words.
you, as many do, have read some verses and chosen those that, somewhat, match with what you want your "religion" to BE!
You have constructed your own religion, your own doctrines that match with how you want things to be ---
That is not the way this works --

When buying a home you can draft the contract exactly as you want, then it is take it or leave it for the other party.

That is the exact way it is with both the Old and the New -- it is God's way or nothing! you are not allowed to change things to suit your self.

If Christ states no priest can be left handed, true, then there will be no left handed priest.

Either the Words from the Mouth of Jesus Christ are True or we are in deep deep trouble.

60 years have proven over and over they are TRUE! I will do and believe every word from His Mouth.
you are free to be as delusional as you can be -- for now -- later is another story.

Gunny · Monday at 5:45 PM

I eat pork.

Carl Emerson · Monday at 5:58 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
I literally quoted Scripture, which is the topic of this thread can we eat pork and quoting what God said He will judge us by at His Second Coming, your offense would have to be what God said. I guess thats why they say God’s Word is a sword. It cuts and we don’t always like it.

Once again another misrepresentation, you said she said only SDA’s will be saved, nothing about if we can be saved if disobey one of God’s commandments, thats a different argument. No one is saved in sin Heb10:26-30 sin is breaking. God’s law- His version because He is God 1 John3:4 James 2:11 we are saved from sin Mat1:21- a total transformation in Christ, keeping God’s commandments is a result of our salvation in Him Rev14:12 Rev22:14 not a means to it. If we love God why would we not want to join ourselves to Him, love His name and serve Him the way He asks Isa 56:6.

So it is all about us keeping the Law - then why did Jesus need to die on the cross ? Why did we need a new Covenant at all ?

Hentenza · Monday at 6:01 PM

Christ's Bride said:
Hentenza, I will offer, hopefully, my final words.
you, as many do, have read some verses and chosen those that, somewhat, match with what you want your "religion" to BE!
You have constructed your own religion, your own doctrines that match with how you want things to be ---
That is not the way this works --

My religion is Christianity. I am a follower of Jesus.

Christ's Bride said:
When buying a home you can draft the contract exactly as you want, then it is take it or leave it for the other party.

Right.

Christ's Bride said:
That is the exact way it is with both the Old and the New -- it is God's way or nothing! you are not allowed to change things to suit your self.

No. God decided to change the covenant. He can do that. The new covenant that God ushered contains, like a contract, different term than the old one. The old contract was fulfilled (completed) and the new contract is now in effect. This is simple Bible teaching.

Christ's Bride said:
If Christ states no priest can be left handed, true, then there will be no left handed priest.

But He did not so there are left handed priests.

Christ's Bride said:
Either the Words from the Mouth of Jesus Christ are True or we are in deep deep trouble.

Are these words from Jesus true?

““Come to Me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is comfortable, and My burden is light.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭28‬-‭30‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Christ's Bride said:
60 years have proven over and over they are TRUE! I will do and believe every word from His Mouth.

They are indeed true but for 60 years, if your interpretation is still the same, you have been fooling yourself into thinking that the law of Moses is still binding on the Christian as the Bible tells you plainly that they are not.

These are Jesus words, are they true?

“And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭37‬-‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Christ's Bride said:
you are free to be as delusional as you can be -- for now -- later is another story.

lol delusional? Is that what happens when you can’t address the argument properly? Ad Homs? Do you know what that means?

SabbathBlessings · Monday at 6:04 PM

Carl Emerson said:
So it is all about us keeping the Law - then why did Jesus need to die on the cross ? Why did we need a new Covenant at all ?

The wages of sin is death, if God could have just got rid of the law, there would be no need for His great Sacrifice.

Why this is one of the last verses in the Bible and there are no verses after it to take it back

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God has a people who love Him
Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Rev14:12 12 Here is the [a]patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Why would anyone who loves Him, not what to do what He asks? We just want all His blessings on our terms not His Isa 56:2, we want to serve Him the way we want, not how He asks Isa 56:6. We are really saying we don't really want God, just want He gives us.

RileyG · Monday at 6:14 PM

Xeno.of.athens said:
Bacon most assuredly is food!
It is the very food of the gods - ambrosia! A heavenly meat to delight the senses.

I love bacon and have eaten plenty of pork! All food is clean per acts 10&11. I’ll eat sushi, shrimp, crab, lobster et al. I’m not Jewish so I don’t follow Kosher.

My opinion only.

RileyG · Monday at 6:16 PM

Delvianna said:
lol You can make anything "food" if you really wanted to. Would you like to eat poison ivy? It's a plant!

Pork is the most commonly consumed meat in the world per google AI. Jews, Muslims, and some Christians who follow kosher diet laws don’t eat it.

Nothing wrong with it health wise in moderation, in my humble opinion.

I respect your view.

Peace

Christ's Bride · Monday at 6:17 PM

Xeno.of.athens said:
Well, I am not surprised at your statement of rejection. And yes, the holy scriptures are Rome, as you no doubt know in some secret place in your heart and mind. But you are mistaken to think that the Torah (five books of Moses) are eternal.

The claim that the Torah is eternal in all its parts is directly contradicted by Holy Scripture itself. St Paul teaches that “a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness” (Heb 7:18) and that Christ “abolished in His flesh the law of commandments in ordinances” (Eph 2:15). The apostles, under the Holy Spirit, explicitly refused to impose the Mosaic Torah on Christians (Acts 15:28–29), and Christ Himself “declared all foods clean” (Mark 7:19). Catholic dogma simply repeats what Scripture already says: the ceremonial and judicial precepts of the Old Covenant have passed away, while the moral law endures. The Council of Florence infallibly states that the Mosaic legal prescriptions “ceased with the coming of the Gospel” (DS 1348). Rejecting Rome does not erase the plain meaning of the New Testament; it only rejects the very Church that preserved these Scriptures and defined their canon.

“abolished in His flesh the law of commandments in ordinances”

how is this possible??
how does flesh abolish anything?? flesh is a physical temporary existence.

What occurred at 3 PM on the 14th of the First month of 31AD-- the Commandments put Christ to death when He accepted all the sins of mankind as His own.
Christ paid the penalty of death each and every human that has or ever will live has earned by their sins against God.

paying for sin does not take away the law that codified sin.

Satan and human nature hates the righteousness of God, they hate laws that produce joy, peace, safety, happiness and so does Rome -- which is why they changed them.

Delvianna · Monday at 6:22 PM

RileyG said:
Pork is the most commonly consumed meat in the world per google AI. Jews, Muslims, and some Christians who follow kosher diet laws don’t eat it.

Nothing wrong with it health wise in moderation, in my humble opinion.

I respect your view.

Peace

It was just an example to illustrate the concept. My point was about the biblical definition of food, not the health aspect or how often it's eaten as other nations like Babylon didn't follow kosher diets. No worries though.

Studyman · Monday at 6:22 PM

Carl Emerson said:
So it is all about us keeping the Law - then why did Jesus need to die on the cross ? Why did we need a new Covenant at all ?

This is Bible 101 stuff. If I kill somebody, or transgress any Law of God, I am guilty of sin and the wages of sin is death. Now I can "go and kill no more", and never kill anyone for the rest of my life, and this is certainly what I am instructed to do. But that doesn't justify me of the murder I committed. I am still guilty and there is a penalty to be paid.

Should I "go and murder no more", absolutely. But I can't pardon myself, a pardon would have to come by a power greater than.

Faith, is believing that if I follow the Christ's instruction and repent of my transgressions, as He instructed, which means to stop transgressing God's Laws, that He will provide for my pardon.

But if I continue to sin, continue to kill people or whatever my transgressions are , which would be a work of non repentance, then as Jesus says, there will be no Pardon.

This is why Paul taught both Jew and Gentile, to Repent, Turn to God, and bring forth "works" worthy of repentance"".

RileyG · Monday at 6:23 PM

Delvianna said:
It was just an example to illustrate the concept. My point was about the biblical definition of food, not the health aspect or how often it's eaten as other nations like Babylon didn't follow kosher diets. No worries though.

Ahhh, gotcha! Thanks for the response

Peace

Hentenza · Monday at 6:36 PM

Christ's Bride said:
“abolished in His flesh the law of commandments in ordinances”

how is this possible??
how does flesh abolish anything?? flesh is a physical temporary existence.

Your problem is with scripture.

“For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the hostility, which is the Law composed of commandments expressed in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two one new person, in this way establishing peace;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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Maria Billingsley · Monday at 6:45 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
Where does this say we can disobey the law of God. We have two choices, we either serve sin or we obey God. One path leads to death, the other to righteousness. Rom6:16 Obeying God’s commandments and His righteousness Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 is a much easier yoke than being a slave to sin.

What was Jesus quoting when He said this? How does this delete all of His other teachings of His like, if you love Me, keep My commandments? Don’t break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19-30 laying aside the commandment of God makes God’s word void Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 which would include Mat11:28

The law of the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ of Nazareth has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Studyman · Monday at 6:54 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
The law of the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ of Nazareth has made me free from the law of sin and death.

Yes, the Law of the Spirit of Life, the God and Father of All, which was in Christ Jesus, that Paul said to Yield Myself a servant to obey, has freed me from the Law of Sin and Death (The wages of sin, is death, this is the law of sin)

Thank God for His mercy to give men another chance to honor Him and Glorify Him "As God".

Carl Emerson · Monday at 6:57 PM

Studyman said:
This is Bible 101 stuff. If I kill somebody, or transgress any Law of God, I am guilty of sin and the wages of sin is death. Now I can "go and kill no more", and never kill anyone for the rest of my life, and this is certainly what I am instructed to do. But that doesn't justify me of the murder I committed. I am still guilty and there is a penalty to be paid.

Should I "go and murder no more", absolutely. But I can't pardon myself, a pardon would have to come by a power greater than.

Faith, is believing that if I follow the Christ's instruction and repent of my transgressions, as He instructed, which means to stop transgressing God's Laws, that He will provide for my pardon.

But if I continue to sin, continue to kill people or whatever my transgressions are , which would be a work of non repentance, then as Jesus says, there will be no Pardon.

This is why Paul taught both Jew and Gentile, to Repent, Turn to God, and bring forth "works" worthy of repentance"".

So then are we primarily under the Law or under Jesus ?

Carl Emerson · Monday at 7:00 PM

Studyman said:
This is Bible 101 stuff. If I kill somebody, or transgress any Law of God, I am guilty of sin and the wages of sin is death. Now I can "go and kill no more", and never kill anyone for the rest of my life, and this is certainly what I am instructed to do. But that doesn't justify me of the murder I committed. I am still guilty and there is a penalty to be paid.

Should I "go and murder no more", absolutely. But I can't pardon myself, a pardon would have to come by a power greater than.

Faith, is believing that if I follow the Christ's instruction and repent of my transgressions, as He instructed, which means to stop transgressing God's Laws, that He will provide for my pardon.

But if I continue to sin, continue to kill people or whatever my transgressions are , which would be a work of non repentance, then as Jesus says, there will be no Pardon.

This is why Paul taught both Jew and Gentile, to Repent, Turn to God, and bring forth "works" worthy of repentance"".

The comment is addressed to SabbathBlessings and does not indicate any lack of my understanding.

SabbathBlessings · Monday at 7:00 PM

Maria Billingsley said:
The law of the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ of Nazareth has made me free from the law of sin and death.

There are only two choices....

Rom 7: 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

If we are not serving the law of God, we are serving the law of sin.

I know it sounds good, I am in God's Spirit, but not doing what God asks, but in reality according to Paul this is what we are doing when we won;t subject ourselves to the law of God

Rom8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God

If we are in Christ, and subject ourselves to His Spirit- He enables us to keep His commandments which frees us from the law of sin and death because the wages of sin is death Rom6:23, which is breaking the law of God 1 John3:4 James 2:11

Receiving the Spirit is conditional

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

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