New not renewed Covenant

Studyman · Jun 17, 2026

HIM said:
So you decided to belabor it rather than repent and refrain.

That says a lot. And even a little is not good.

Take care.

You are making my point. It's not about seeking God's Truth or examining Scriptures to see if it is true that there was "NO Change" in the Law, as you stated. NO, It's all about you. Preserving your pride, defending your every word. The fact that you can not see this in yourself, reveals you have no clue as to the purpose of the Gospel of Christ in the First place. That a nobody like me, saying nothing but undeniable Truth, can cause you to pick up your toys and leave in a huff, should be something you might consider looking into.

You wouldn't last long around Jesus or Paul, if you can't rule over your pride with someone as insignificant as me.

Remember, you are going to be judged by your works, not mine. And if you want to continue preaching to others that there was no "change in the Law", you are free to do so. But I am obligated by the LAW of Christ to at least show you HIS Words which expose this teaching. You should thank me.

Lev. 19: 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Studyman · Jun 17, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
He basically says the same thing you say to someone when you do not agree with them. Why do you think everyone needs to repent when it comes to not agreeing with you? We should all do a better job and refrain from personal attacks and stick with our point from Scripture. If someone chooses to hear or not, is up to them, but telling them they are preaching "false gospel" and have "pride" that's for God to determine, not us.

But SB, this entire worlds religious system is made up of many different religious sects who compete one against the other for contributing members to fill the seats of their man-made shrines of worship. This is undeniable Truth. And they do so by declaring their "gospel" as superior to the "gospel" of other religions who they compete against. That is the very foundation of SDA, to convince as many as they can that the Catholic religion promotes a "false gospel", while the SDA promotes a true gospel.

And telling someone who is being prideful, that they have "Pride", is a mercy. No different than telling a man whose fly is unzipped, "your fly is unzipped", is also a mercy. Are some men offended by these things, no doubt they are. Nevertheless, it is a mercy to tell them, so they can remedy the matter. If they choose not to, or get angry, that's on them, not the poor slob showing them mercy.

SabbathBlessings · Jun 17, 2026

Studyman said:
But SB, this entire worlds religious system is made up of many different religious sects who compete one against the other for contributing members to fill the seats of their man-made shrines of worship. This is undeniable Truth. And they do so by declaring their "gospel" as superior to the "gospel" of other religions who they compete against. That is the very foundation of SDA, to convince as many as they can that the Catholic religion promotes a "false gospel", while the SDA promotes a true gospel.

And telling someone who is being prideful, that they have "Pride", is a mercy. No different than telling a man whose fly is unzipped, "your fly is unzipped", is also a mercy. Are some men offended by these things, no doubt they are. Nevertheless, it is a mercy to tell them, so they can remedy the matter. If they choose not to, or get angry, that's on them, not the poor slob showing them mercy.

You missed my point completely because its something that was just between me and the person I posted to.

We are not the arbitrator of God's Truth, God is and when we think we are in that position and judge others and deem them as prideful for disagreeing with our view, when only God knows our heart, we are sadly defeating the whole purpose of sharing God's Word. Best to stick with why you disagree by Scripture and leave everything else to God.

HIM · Jun 17, 2026

HIM said:
Only to you and in private.

And you are not innocent either.

Studyman said:
You are making my point. It's not about seeking God's Truth or examining Scriptures to see if it is true that there was "NO Change" in the Law, as you stated. NO, It's all about you. Preserving your pride, defending your every word. The fact that you can not see this in yourself, reveals you have no clue as to the purpose of the Gospel of Christ in the First place. That a nobody like me, saying nothing but undeniable Truth, can cause you to pick up your toys and leave in a huff, should be something you might consider looking into.

You wouldn't last long around Jesus or Paul, if you can't rule over your pride with someone as insignificant as me.

Remember, you are going to be judged by your works, not mine. And if you want to continue preaching to others that there was no "change in the Law", you are free to do so. But I am obligated by the LAW of Christ to at least show you HIS Words which expose this teaching. You should thank me.

Lev. 19: 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

No it is all about not saying things outside of what we are speaking. Subjective comments about me or the my stance doesn’t help anything. And It definitely doesn’t make your case.

HIM · Jun 17, 2026

SabbathBlessings said:
You missed my point completely because its something that was just between me and the person I posted to.

Hmmm….

Studyman · Jun 17, 2026

HIM said:
No it is all about not saying things outside of what we are speaking.
Subjective comments about me or the my stance doesn’t help anything. And It definitely doesn’t make your case.

That seems to be true. You used my comment below as an excuse to divert attention away from your sermon, and made it all about how you were offended instead. That didn't help, as you are free to completely ignore the Scriptures I posted. But the case was made. Just because a man get's offended, does nothing to the "Case". If that were true, then Jesus never made a case.

"It seems prudent to point out a few things concerning this popular religious philosophy that exists in this world God placed us in. As it seems important to consider all that is written, in searching for God's Truth."

I'll try to be more sensitive to your feelings from here on out.

HIM · Jun 18, 2026

Studyman said:
That seems to be true. You used my comment below as an excuse to divert attention away from your sermon, and made it all about how you were offended instead.

No ill begets. Remember I asked you not to belabor the point. You chose different trying to excuse it. Typically, I don't have time answer anything with depth during the daytime, I work

Studyman said:
That didn't help, as you are free to completely ignore the Scriptures I posted.

Another subjective comment.

HIM · Jun 18, 2026

HIM said:
Context shows otherwise and no one mentioned a change of the Law. The change is how it is ministered to us not the Law.

Studyman said:
If a man separates a few sentences in Galatians from the rest of the Bible, this case could be made. But if a man considers all that is written in the Holy Scriptures, the case for the teaching, "no one mentioned a change of the law", starts to fall apart.

Heb. 7: 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity "a change also of the law".

So as a matter of Biblical fact, there was a change of God's Law. And if a person reads further, they will find exactly what that change was.

You can see, hopefully, how a little bit of leaven, influences the entire body. The further a person walks in this leavened state, looks are SCriptures through this leavened prism, the further away from God's truth he gets.

This is why it is so important to consider all that is written, especially when surrounded by religions who declare that "The LAW" of God wasn't "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham. When the Biblical Truth is, Paul is speaking about "A Law" that was changed.

Like I said, the change is how it was ministered. The ministry now is on and in the heavenly sanctuary and is done by Jesus our High Priest who has offered one sacrifice for sin once and for all when He offered up Himself perfecting forever us who are sanctified, purging our conscience (our inner person, our heart and mind) from dead works (sin, acts the cause death) to serve the living God? For almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. So once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away (abolition, removal) of sin by the sacrifice of himself. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof, this perfectedness of us whom are sanctified the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh. Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Will address the rest of your post later as time permits. Off to work.

Studyman · Jun 18, 2026

HIM said:
Like I said, the change is how it was ministered. The ministry now is on and in the heavenly sanctuary and is done by Jesus our High Priest who has offered one sacrifice for sin once and for all when He offered up Himself perfecting forever us who are sanctified, purging our conscience (our inner person, our heart and mind) from dead works (sin, acts the cause death) to serve the living God? For almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. So once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away (abolition, removal) of sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Don't forget that without from the heart repentance for transgressing God's Commandments and Judgments, AKA "SIN", there is no "putting away, remission, abolition or removal" of sins by the Sacrifice of Himself. At least this is what the Christ and His Disciples teach. This was pretty important to the Jesus of the Bible, as when HIS Ministry started, the very first thing HE said to do was "Repent". You didn't mention this in this reply or your opening statements about a New, not renewed covenant. In the "New, not renewed Covenant" you are promoting, is repentance still required, as it was for Abraham and Nineveh?

And for the record, I have always said in my discussions with you and others, that it was the Priesthood Covenant God made with Israel that was temporary and prophesied to change when "The Seed Should Come". My issue with your sermon was your statement " no one mentioned a change of the Law", which is simply not true, as the Scripture I posted confirms. Paul knew this, and understood that Abraham received God's Judgments, Statutes and Commandments through the High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", (Gen. 14:18) not the Priesthood "After the Order of Aaron", a Priesthood Law that wasn't "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham.

So then the Priesthood I am under now, is the Same Priesthood Abraham was under, the Same Priest, the Same instruction.

Gen. 12: 1 Now the LORD (Is this not the Christ, the Rock of Israel that became flesh?) had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

Matt. 16: 24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Gen. 17: 1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Matt. 5: 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Gen. 22: 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Luke 22: 19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

In my understanding, Paul knew all of this when Speaking to the Galatians. I am surrounded by religions that promote the popular philosophy that the entire "LAW" was Added, "Till the Seed should come". And for a time I believed it. But the more I study apart from this world's religious influence, I can see that this philosophy is not wrought in God at all, But man.

HIM said:
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof, this perfectedness of us whom are sanctified the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh. Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Will address the rest of your post later as time permits. Off to work.

But who is all this for? All Men who call Jesus Lord, Lord? Men who create images of God in the likeness of men, then create high days in worship of this image, while rejecting, even despising the Feasts of the Lord?? There isn't one religion that comes in Christ's Name, that exists in the world that God placed you and I in, that doesn't preach the above, and include themselves as sanctified. What about those who hear the Christ, but are not "Doers of His Sayings"? What about those "many" who come in His Name to deceive? Are they also sanctified?

Shall we not speak to these things as well, even if some will be offended?

HIM · Jun 19, 2026

Studyman said:
My issue with your sermon was your statement " no one mentioned a change of the Law", which is simply not true,

I never mentioned a change of law in our discourse. No one meaning me.

HIM · Jun 19, 2026

HIM said:
Context shows otherwise and no one mentioned a change of the Law. The change is how it is ministered to us not the Law.

The context of Galatians starts mainly in chapter 2. There in verse 16 it says we are not justified by the works of the Law if not through the faith of Jesus. It does not say a person is not justified by the works of the Law but through the faith of Jesus like a lot of translations have similarly translated. It literally says in the Greek that we are not justified by the works of the Law if not through the faith of Jesus.

In that we see we are not justified by works of the Law if the works of the law are not done through Faith. That it is why it is written in Hosea, Romans 1:17 and Gal 3:11 that the Just shall live by faith. And in Romans 3:23 it says outright that Faith establishes the Law.

So what are the works of the Law?

In the Greek it is in the Genitive case and Paul uses this exact phrase only 7 times throughout his writings. All of which are in Romans and Galatians. One of the instances is In Romans 3:20 except it is translated differently in a lot of translations. There he says it in context of all the world being guilty before God, that the Law speaks to those who are IN the Law that every mouth might be stopped, for by the Law is the Knowledge of sin. Therefore by the works of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight. If no one is justified through the works of the Law because by the Law is the knowledge of sin then the works of the Law are doing what the Law says. Like not killing and so forth.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are in the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the works of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Gal 2:15 We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not through faith of Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified out of faith of Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if while seeking to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also have been found to be sinners, then is Christ an agent of sin? May it never be!
Gal 2:18 For if I build up again these things which I destroyed, I show myself to be a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For through the law I died to the law, in order that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ,
Gal 2:20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me, and that life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not declare invalid the grace of God, for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died to no purpose.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Studyman said:
How can a man understand Paul, if he doesn't study the LAW and Prophets that Paul believe all that was written therein? What is the difference between Paul's teaching to the Galatians, than the Faithful in Romans, or Colossians, and Ephesians? Isn't it true that if a man only reads Galatians, he will have no clue about the Gospel of Christ?

Since both you and I were children, this world's religions have separated Galatians from the rest of the Bible, and created their own doctrines to justify the abolition of "The LAW" of God. So for these reasons and more, the "Context" of Galatians doesn't start in chapter 2 of Galatians.

You never answered the points of the post. You just spoke over it. Try again please. To prove something is false you must actually take the time to address it rather than speaking over with your own points.

Honestly I don't think you have read it. But I could be wrong.

Here is it again.

HIM said:
Context shows otherwise and no one mentioned a change of the Law. The change is how it is ministered to us not the Law.

The context of Galatians starts mainly in chapter 2. There in verse 16 it says we are not justified by the works of the Law if not through the faith of Jesus. It does not say a person is not justified by the works of the Law but through the faith of Jesus like a lot of translations have similarly translated. It literally says in the Greek that we are not justified by the works of the Law if not through the faith of Jesus.

In that we see we are not justified by works of the Law if the works of the law are not done through Faith. That it is why it is written in Hosea, Romans 1:17 and Gal 3:11 that the Just shall live by faith. And in Romans 3:23 it says outright that Faith establishes the Law.

So what are the works of the Law?

In the Greek it is in the Genitive case and Paul uses this exact phrase only 7 times throughout his writings. All of which are in Romans and Galatians. One of the instances is In Romans 3:20 except it is translated differently in a lot of translations. There he says it in context of all the world being guilty before God, that the Law speaks to those who are IN the Law that every mouth might be stopped, for by the Law is the Knowledge of sin. Therefore by the works of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight. If no one is justified through the works of the Law because by the Law is the knowledge of sin then the works of the Law are doing what the Law says. Like not killing and so forth.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are in the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the works of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Gal 2:15 We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not through faith of Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified out of faith of Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if while seeking to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also have been found to be sinners, then is Christ an agent of sin? May it never be!
Gal 2:18 For if I build up again these things which I destroyed, I show myself to be a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For through the law I died to the law, in order that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ,
Gal 2:20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me, and that life I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not declare invalid the grace of God, for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died to no purpose.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Studyman said:
You would first have to answer the question, "How was a man justified of his sins, according to Moses". Because that is the topic, the context in both Romans and Galatians. "Being Justified" or as Paul said in Romans 3, "For the remission of Sins".

Two types of justification. We are either Justified, made righteous by keeping the Law fully. Or we are deemed righteous by the blood of Jesus. Romans 3 and Galatians 2 is speaking of the Righteousness that we get by keeping the Law. The Law that shows what are transgressions are. The difference between the two is, Roman's 3 context is in relation to our state before Christ. Galatians context brings out that we can't be justified, considered righteous without Faith. And that faith if of Christ being lived out through us through His Spirit. For we are dead but alive, yet not us Christ lives in us and the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us. For if righteousness came by the Law which we all transgressed as Romans 3 testifies then Christ died in vain.

Studyman · Jun 19, 2026

HIM said:
I never mentioned a change of law in our discourse. No one meaning me.

Here is your own preaching. "The Old Covenant is the law." It will be as long as sin is in this world for they tell us what sin is and are what bring us to Christ. Rom 3 and Gal 3.

But when I read what Paul actually said in Galatians 3, he is speaking about "A Law" of God, "A Law" that was ADDED 430 years after God said to Isaac, "And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

And Roman's 3 was about justification, and the remission of sins. I specifically asked you what "Law" did God give Moses to cover the sins of the common man that sinned. But at the risk of be "subjective", it seems you are more interested in justifying your sermon, than discussing what is actually written, or engaging or discussing the questions posed at you, concerning your sermons.

Now you Say, "I never mentioned a change of law in our discourse. No one meaning me". Yet your entire sermon was about a "NEW, not a Renewed Law" (Covenant). And you said, "The Old Covenant "Is the Law". You said "No one mentioned a change of law, No one meaning me". But there was a change in the Law, concerning the forgiveness of sins. There was a "change" when God "ADDED" a Law , concerning the forgiveness of sins, 430 years after Abraham repented and obeyed God's Judgments, statutes and Laws.

Jer. 7: 21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.

22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: 23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

And there was another change of the Law, when the New Priest "After the order of Melchizedek", and not "after the Order of Aaron" came.

Heb. 7: 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

And the Spirit of Christ goes on to define what that "Change",in a Law that was added 430 years after Abraham, that lead Caleb, Joshua, David, Daniel, Shadrack, Zacharias, Anna, Simeon, the wise men and others to "Christ". A Law no longer necessary, after the Christ had come.

But those Jews bewitching the Galatians and all Gentile converts, were still requiring that all men partake of their corrupted version of this "ADDED" Law, and come to them, and engage in their twisted version of the "Works of the Law" required by Moses for the forgiveness of sin.

Now instead of continuing to justify your sermon, why not actually engage and answer and ask questions, and point out to me in Scriptures where my understanding is flawed.

HIM · Jun 19, 2026

Studyman said:
Now instead of continuing to justify your sermon, why not actually engage and answer and ask questions, and point out to me in Scriptures where my understanding is flawed.

Because you haven’t answered what was given to you in respect the context of Galatians amd Romans.

That is the topic.

Studyman · Jun 19, 2026

HIM said:
You never answered the points of the post. You just spoke over it. Try again please. To prove something is false you must actually take the time to address it rather than speaking over with your own points.

Well that's just not true. Your entire sermon is founding on the popular religious philosophy that the "Old Covenant IS the LAW". I pointed out to you that according to scriptures, this is not what Paul is teaching in Romans or Galatians. That if the foundation is flawed, "Leaven", the entire building is flawed, according to the Jesus of the Bible. It seemed prudent to deal with the foundational error first.

But you just got offended that I would dare question you, or suggest that you might be influenced by the religious philosophies that surround us.

HIM said:
Honestly I don't think you have read it. But I could be wrong.

Yes, you are wrong.

HIM said:
Two types of justification.

In your religion, perhaps this is true, but not according to Scriptures.

HIM said:
We are either Justified, made righteous by keeping the Law fully.

No, this is foolishness. All men have sinned, and the wages of sin is death. If I murder a person, I am guilty of sin. I can spend the rest of my life never murdering another person ever. But does that remove the penalty? Am I then justified of the murder I committed? Of course not. Should I repent of my murder, and "Go and murder no more"? Absolutely, but that doesn't Justify me, or remove my unrighteous. Only Christ can do that. And HE told me that unless I repent, there is no forgiveness.

The penalty must be paid by someone. There is no other justification.

HIM said:
Or we are deemed righteous by the blood of Jesus.

According to what is written in scriptures, we are judged by our works, not Jesus' Works. And without personal, from the heart repentance, there is no justification, at least this is what the Jesus of the Bible teaches.

HIM said:
Romans 3 and Galatians 2 is speaking of the Righteousness that we get by keeping the Law.

That is what this world's religions promote. That is not what Paul teaches. This foolishness is founded in the popular religious philosophy that the Pharisees were trying to get the Galatians and Gentiles to follow the Law of Moses. This is probably the most insidious and deceitful of all the religious philosophies furthered by the promoters of this world's religions. It is the very foundation of your teaching here Him. The Pharisees were not trying to get folks to Love God with all their heart and soul, and Love their neighbor as themselves. They were not trying to convince people to "Yield themselves to God and their bodies as instruments of righteousness unto God". They were not trying to convince Jews and Gentiles to "present their bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God", nor were they trying to convince the Galatians "that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.".

They were promoting their own religion in which God's Laws were rejected in favor of their own religious traditions. They taught for doctrines the Commandments of men, not God. But every week they would offer to God for their willful transgression, the blood of an unblemished, innocent life, or offer tithes and free will offerings, "As per the Law", to justify themselves. That isn't the "Way of the Lord", not then and not now. Paul understood this because HE understood Isaiah 1:1-20 which exposed the very same thing about the very same people, from the Very same Christ.

There is a lot of deceit taught by this world's religions, and we have been influenced by it. To believe you haven't is foolishness and prideful. A man who repents of his transgression of God's Laws, and Yields himself to God and his body as instruments of God's Righteousness, "Is Righteous", as it is written. 1 Jn. 3: 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness "is righteous", even as he (Jesus) is righteous.

This is the Gospel of Christ as HE Himself explains through Ezekiel.

Ez. 18: 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

21 But "if the wicked will turn from all his sins" that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done "he shall live".

Not because of his works, but because HE "Believed" God, and turned from his ways, and Yielded himself to God's works. This is called "Faith", according to Scriptures.

But the Pharisees were not promoting this to the Galatians or Jews and Gentiles in Rome. They "said" they were Abraham's Children, but as Jesus pointed out, they were not.. They "said" they trusted Moses, but as Jesus pointed out, they did not. They "said" they promoted the Law of Moses, but as Jesus pointed out, they did not. The entire Law and Prophets, EVERY Word Jesus used to define them, all of Paul's teaching about them, clearly show that they "Said, but did not".

But the stated foundation of your sermon, is that the Pharisees were trying to promote righteous, by obeying God's Laws that defined sin. It's simply not true.

So in Romans, the mainstream preachers of that time promoted a religion in which a man can reject God's Judgments and Laws, pollute His Sabbaths and Feasts, but as long as they offered to God, offerings for sin, "as per the law", they were justified. But like the Christ teaches in Isaiah 1, NO Flesh is justified by "Works of the Law".

Is. 1: 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth "of the LORD" hath spoken it.

This is why the Jesus of the Bible taught that men should "Live By" Every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

HIM said:
The Law that shows what are transgressions are.

But that isn't the "LAW" that was ADDED 430 years after God showed Abraham His Laws, Statutes and Judgments "that shows what are transgressions are". And it wasn't the "works of the Law" the Pharisees were promoting to the faithful in Rome, for the remission of their sins.

They were promoting "works of the Law" for remission of sins, but they were not promoting the Law that defined sins.

HIM said:
The difference between the two is, Roman's 3 context is in relation to our state before Christ. Galatians context brings out that we can't be justified, considered righteous without Faith.

"Faith of Christ" is belief in God. If God says, "Don't eat that, it isn't food for you", or "Don't do that, it is sin", and you do it anyway, this is proof to God that you don't believe in Him. On the other hand, if God says "Don't do that", and you don't, even though you are surrounded by people mocking you because you don't, this means you believe in God no matter what. This is the Faith of Christ, in my understanding.

HIM said:
And that faith if of Christ being lived out through us through His Spirit. For we are dead but alive, yet not us Christ lives in us and the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us.

But if a man is preaching to the world that the "Old Covenant IS the LAW of God", or if he is preaching that the Pharisees were trying to promote to the Galatians "righteousness" by humbling themselves in obedience to God's Laws, both of which are not True, then how is this the Christ speaking though this man?

How is this any different than those "many" who called Jesus Lord, Lord in Matt. 7?

HIM said:
For if righteousness came by the Law which we all transgressed as Romans 3 testifies then Christ died in vain.

Yes, if a thief stops stealing, his unrighteousness is not removed "because" he quit stealing. But he still needs to quit stealing, in belief that "IF he turns away from his old self, and does that which is lawful and right", Christ will remove his unrighteousness. This is called Faith.

HIM · Jun 20, 2026

Studyman said:
Well that's just not true. Your entire sermon is founding on the popular religious philosophy that the "Old Covenant IS the LAW". I pointed out to you that according to scriptures, this is not what Paul is teaching in Romans or Galatians. That if the foundation is flawed, "Leaven", the entire building is flawed, according to the Jesus of the Bible. It seemed prudent to deal with the foundational error first.

But you just got offended that I would dare question you, or suggest that you might be influenced by the religious philosophies that surround us.

Subjective comment, not necessary

Studyman said:
In your religion, perhaps this is true, but not according to Scriptures.

Subjective comment, not necessary

HIM said:
Two types of justification. We are either Justified, made righteous by keeping the Law fully

Studyman said:
No, this is foolishness.

Subjective and ignorant comment, not necessary. At this point I will post this because if you respond I do not want it mixed with the actual relevant section of our dialog. I have already started responding to some of the other comments of your posts. It will take a bit because I do not cut and paste and I want to be thorough.

Studyman · Jun 20, 2026

HIM said:
Subjective comment, not necessary

According to your religious philosophy this might be true. But my comments are not based on the "Subjective" (personal feelings, opinion or tastes about you"), rather, based on the facts of your statements in your sermons. Some of your posts are insightful, others not so much. This thread is one that promotes some popular philosophies that are not based on sound doctrine, in my understanding. Just as Jesus, who you would most certainly judge as a promoter of "Subjective comments", dealt with the promoters of popular religious philosophies of His Time.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! (Subjective comment, not necessary according to your religious philosophy) for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. (Subjective comment, not necessary according to your religious philosophy) 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. (Subjective comment, not necessary according to your religious philosophy)

The Christ of the Bible didn't abide by your religious philosophy.

John 8: 48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? This is truly a "Subjective" comment as Jesus never did or said anything that would make this comment based on fact.

Did Jesus rebuke them for their subjective comment? No, HE simply told them the Truth.

49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and "ye do dishonour me".

HIM said:
Subjective comment, not necessary

Matt. 16: 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan (Subjective comment, not necessary according to your religious philosophy) thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Did Peter rebuke Jesus for His, according to you, "unnecessary subjective comment"?

No, because it wasn't "Subjective", but "Objective", that is, based on Truth.

Gal. 3: 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Was this an unnecessary "Subjective" comment? Or were the Galatians truly being "Foolish"?

HIM said:
Subjective and ignorant comment,

This is the exact same example of "Subjective comment" that you are judging then rebuking me for posting. Calling my comment "ignorant" because I called your preaching "Foolish", and then went on to explain why. Which you didn't address. My Comment wasn't based on personal bias or opinion of you, rather, it was based on the truth concerning the foolishness of your assertion about Paul's teaching in Romans and Galatians. But your comment about my comment being "ignorant", without even addressing the reason why I made it, was not based on fact, or even my stated position. It was made based on your own personal bias and opinion that you place on anyone who would question your stated philosophy.

hypocritical; "behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case", "behavior that contradicts what one claims to believe", "a person whose actions are contrary to their stated beliefs".

Rom. 12: 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

The following is just one of the literally dozens of "unnecessary subjective comments" that you posted towards others with whom you disagree over my time on this forum. If you like, I can post many others for you. But my intent is not to insult you or exalt myself, but to point out some errors in your stated philosophy, according the Scriptures, and perhaps show how you came to have them.

"Well then, according to your theology if you were not married you could marry your brother or dog."

Now come on HIM, how is this not truly a subjective comment, or a comment "based on personal feelings, opinion or tastes" about the person or their religion you directed it to. Is it TRUE? Now come on Him, you know it isn't true. You know this person doesn't believe if they were not married, they could marry their brother or sister, or a dog. This, by definition is a "Subjective, not Objective Comment", and is not founded on anything resembling the Truth of this persons stated belief, but on your own wicked bias which exists in your own heart, and was intended to exalt yourself, by demeaning and insulting the person you directed it to.

This is not a "subjective" judgment, but an "objective judgment" based on my own experiences with my own flesh, aligned with the examples given to me in Scriptures. It is founded on the Truth, which if you could humble yourself just a little, you would admit.

You can't see it in yourself, because you are obsessed with justifying your own philosophy, much of which has been adopted from the religions of this world we both have been placed in.

One being that Paul was teaching that the Pharisees were trying to promote to the Faithful in Rome and to the Galatians that they should "Keep God's Laws Fully", in order to be Justified. And that Paul taught against this.

But that is Foolishness. Paul and Ezekiel have already established that "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.", but that is not what was being promoted by the Pharisees to the Galatians, or the Gentile converts in Acts 15, or the Faithful in Rome, in Romans 3.

Read Is. 1:1-20 if you want to understand the religion the Pharisees were promoting, and the "Works of the Law" they required for justification in Romans 3 and Galatians 3.

HIM said:
At this point I will post this because if you respond I do not want it mixed with the actual relevant section of our dialog. I have already started responding to some of the other comments of your posts. It will take a bit because I do not cut and paste and I want to be thorough.

I look forward to you actually addressing my reply. I'm hoping you might reflect inwardly a little concerning the obsession with "Subjective comments", and actually discuss your stated position, like the Old Covenant God promised to change "Is the LAW", and that there are "Two types of justification". And the popular assertion that the "LAW" that was ADDED 430 years after Abraham, was God's Laws that show what sin is.

HIM · Jun 21, 2026

HIM said:
Two types of justification. We are either Justified, made righteous by keeping the Law fully. Or we are deemed righteous by the blood of Jesus. Romans 3 and Galatians 2 is speaking of the Righteousness that we get by keeping the Law. The Law that shows what are transgressions are. The difference between the two is, Roman's 3 context is in relation to our state before Christ. Galatians context brings out that we can't be justified, considered righteous without Faith. And that faith if of Christ being lived out through us through His Spirit. For we are dead but alive, yet not us Christ lives in us and the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us. For if righteousness came by the Law which we all transgressed as Romans 3 testifies then Christ died in vain.

Studyman said:
No, this is foolishness. All men have sinned, and the wages of sin is death. If I murder a person, I am guilty of sin. I can spend the rest of my life never murdering another person ever. But does that remove the penalty? Am I then justified of the murder I committed? Of course not. Should I repent of my murder, and "Go and murder no more"? Absolutely, but that doesn't Justify me, or remove my unrighteous. Only Christ can do that. And HE told me that unless I repent, there is no forgiveness.

The penalty must be paid by someone. There is no other justification.

Romans 3 speaks of different types of justification. The one is from one keeping the Law and not sinning and the other is the justification from faith.

Starting in Romans 1:5 where it says we have received grace and apostleship for obedience of the faith. And then it continues to say in 1:16,17 that the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation, for (because) the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. For the just (righteous) shall live (be obedient) by faith.

The chapter goes on to say why the Gospel is to be preached in Rom1:18-20. It says. for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

From the creation of the world God has been manifesting His will in us, showing it to us. The invisible things (righteous living) being understood, even His eternal Power and that which makes Him God is understood so they were without excuse. But they chose not to glorify God and starting worshipping their own imaginations and living according to their own hearts. Rom 1:25 says, They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Amen indeed! As the chapter proceeds it gives a litany of sins states of wickedness which most are not mentioned in the Ten commandments but are mentioned the Book of the Law and the Prophets (Testimonies).

In closing it says That they knew the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

As we continue in Rom 2:1-20 he says that we are inexcusable, incorporating all of us in what he shared in Romans 1 in respect to living inappropriately in sin and therefore shouldn't judge. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; For we will all be judged according to our deeds. Because the invisible things from the creation of the world were clearly seen by us who were made. Because God manifested them in us so we are without excuse. It is God that leadeth us to repentance. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts that God has manifested it there.

At this point we are speaking of sinning and a connection has been made between what God has manifested in everyone since the creation of the world and the law that was given to the Jews. We are either obedient to the faith living justly (righteously) by what God has manifested in us since the creation of the world doing the work of the law that is in hearts or we are lost.

Regardless chapters 1 and 2 are alluding to the Law that shows us what sin is not that which is given to Moses that justifies us when we sin.

As we continue in chapter 2 we see this even more. So let's continue, Rom 2:17 says the Jews rest, maketh their way in the law which is restful. They know His will and approve in that they are more excellent through the instruction out of the Law. They are to be guides to the blind, instructors of the foolish, teachers of babes through the knowledge and truth in the Law. And then so we are clear what Law the chapter proceeds to say in respect to the law it is speaking of it says do you not teach yourself? You who teaches thou shalt not steal, do you steal? You who teaches do not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? If so then, you who breaks the Law, commits adultery, steals and commits idolatry dishonors God and the name of God is blasphemed through you. therefore Your circumcision of the flesh is made uncircumcision because you do not keep the righteousness of the Law, the work of the Law in your heart. For he that is of God has the circumcision of the heart through the Spirit not of the letter.

Rom 3:1-18 say, what advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles, the divine utterances of God in the Law and prophets and were doing the teaching, the instructing but not the doing of that in which they were suppose to do. All are under sin as chapter one showed all the world to be from the foundation of the world. And chapter 2 declared that the Jews who received the Law and were to be a light unto the world are no better. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. There is no fear of God before their eyes. Because of all of this we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are IN the law, the oracles of God: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the works of the law there shall no flesh be justified (MADE RIGHTEOUS) in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. and all have sinned (singular) and fallen short of the glory of God. But now the righteousness of God without the law in which Paul has been speaking of the last 2 chapters is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; The in which is the knowledge of sin. Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for the just shall live by faith. And faith speaks on this wise, say not in your heart, who shall bring word, Christ down from above or up from the deep. But what does it say? The word, Christ is in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it. That is the word of faith in which we preach. For with the heart man believeth INTO righteousness and with the mouth, assenting is mad unto the soul. (Rom 10:6-10)

So yes, Romans 3 speaks of two different types of being just. The righteousness which is done through living through the Law which no one has done but Jesus. And the righteousness that is done by living through faith which establishes the Law but can only be done by accepting Christ in our hearts.

Studyman said:
I look forward to you actually addressing my reply. I'm hoping you might reflect inwardly a little concerning the obsession with "Subjective comments", and actually discuss your stated position, like the Old Covenant God promised to change "Is the LAW", and that there are "Two types of justification". And the popular assertion that the "LAW" that was ADDED 430 years after Abraham, was God's Laws that show what sin is.

No sense in answering what you say about the Law because Your point is moot and has nothing to do with Romans what so ever. Because as you can see above it does not say what you think. The Law is that which described what sin is and the mentioning of being justified is that which comes from heeding to the Law that says what sin is.

Also it is worthy to mention nothing subjective is said about you or what you believe. Not necessary whatsoever. Only objective facts concerning the topic.

Studyman · Jun 21, 2026

HIM said:
Romans 3 speaks of different types of justification. The one is from one keeping the Law and not sinning and the other is the justification from faith.

I'm sorry Him. But according to what is written in Scriptures, The "Just" (Justified) shall live by Faith". "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for(Believed on), the evidence of things not seen". And the Word of God that became flesh has taught this from the beginning, "I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect (Believe in My Words). 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, (Justification, forgiveness of sins, salvation) and will multiply thee exceedingly. (A Promise that is believed on, hoped for, but not yet seen)

Your post is trying, it seems based on it's content, to separate belief (Faith) in God, from obedience to God, and calling it two different types of Justification. But Paul doesn't do this in Romans or Galatians.

I think this understanding you are promoting, is influenced by the popular belief that the Pharisees were trying to get the Faithful in Rome, the Gentiles in Acts 15, and the Galatians in Gal. 3, to "Obey God", not have Faith in God, which you separate as two types of Justification. But the teaching that the Pharisees were trying to "earn salvation", or be Justified by repenting of their sins and obeying God's Commandments, or promoting to others the Laws of God, though a popular philosophy promoted by this world's religions since you and I were children, is simply not true. Not because I say so, but because the Entire Law and Prophets say so. EVERY WORD Jesus Spoke defining their religion says so. Paul comes right out and says they were ignorant of God's Righteousness, even though they were given the Oracles of God that revealed His Righteousness to them, and they went about establishing their own Righteousness, refusing to submit to the Righteousness of God.

It is true that the Pharisees, like the Israelites in Is. 1, were justifying themselves by "Works" of the Law. But not the LAW that showed them what sin was. They rejected God's Law that showed them what sin was, so they could keep their own traditions. Yet, they would would show up every week with the tithes and sin offerings, "as per the Law", to justify themselves of their willful sins. As both Isaiah 1 and Romans 3 teaches, NO Flesh is justified by "Works of the Law", that was ADDED 430 years after God showed Abraham His Law that defined sin, and Abraham obeyed Him.

HIM said:
Starting in Romans 1:5 where it says we have received grace and apostleship for obedience of the faith.

This would be obedience to the Faith of Christ, Yes? To "let this mind be in us, that was in Christ Jesus", Yes? So how can you separate the Obedience of Christ, from the Faith of Christ?

HIM said:
And then it continues to say in 1:16,17 that the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation, for (because) the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. For the just (righteous) shall live (be obedient) by faith.

The chapter goes on to say why the Gospel is to be preached in Rom1:18-20. It says. for the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.

From the creation of the world God has been manifesting His will in us, showing it to us. The invisible things (righteous living) being understood, even His eternal Power and that which makes Him God is understood so they were without excuse. But they chose not to glorify God

They glorified God Him. Just not "As God". They didn't believe HE was All Wisdom, All Righteousness, All Light, All Truth neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

In our time that would be an image of God in the likeness of a very handsome man, with long flowing hair, Yes? And the man-made high days created in worship of this image, Yes?

HIM said:
and starting worshipping their own imaginations and living according to their own hearts. Rom 1:25 says, They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (The Image of God they created)more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Amen indeed! As the chapter proceeds it gives a litany of sins states of wickedness which most are not mentioned in the Ten commandments but are mentioned the Book of the Law and the Prophets (Testimonies).

The Law and Prophets never separated the 10 commandments from God's other instruction in righteousness, religious man did that.

HIM said:
In closing it says That they knew the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

As we continue in Rom 2:1-20 he says that we are inexcusable, incorporating all of us in what he shared in Romans 1 in respect to living inappropriately in sin and therefore shouldn't judge.

I think you are missing some important parts of Paul's teaching, for what ever reason.

1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, "whosoever thou art" that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou "that judgest" doest the same things. 2 But "we are sure" that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Was Noah a party to this behavior? Abraham, Caleb, David, Daniel, Malachi? John the Baptist? Perhaps you have been convinced that the Faithful Believers, those who were part of the "Generation of the Righteous" behaved in this manner. But Paul isn't saying that at all, as is clearly shown in his actual words. He is addressing men who engage in a behavior.

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Honestly Him, which examples of men here were obedient to God, as was Jesus, the Author of my Faith, and which men were not obedient to the Faith we are required to Live by?

HIM said:
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; For we will all be judged according to our deeds. Because the invisible things from the creation of the world were clearly seen by us who were made. Because God manifested them in us so we are without excuse. It is God that leadeth us to repentance. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, "but the doers of the law" shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts that God has manifested it there.
At this point we are speaking of sinning and a connection has been made between what God has manifested in everyone since the creation of the world and the law that was given to the Jews. We are either obedient to the faith living justly (righteously) by what God has manifested in us since the creation of the world doing the work of the law that is in hearts or we are lost.

Regardless chapters 1 and 2 are alluding to the Law that shows us what sin is not that which is given to Moses that justifies us when we sin.

To believe you, I would have to believe that the Pharisees were trying to be Justified by obeying God's Laws that define Sin. Jews that Paul has already said "Had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them". Jews Paul already said refused to Glorify God, as God. Jews that Paul already said
"Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written."

Pharisees that Jesus already said, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

That Jesus already said, "Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law?"

So they were promoting Works of the Law for Justification, And it was a LAW that was ADDED, "Because of Transgressions" (Where there is no Law, there is no transgressions) 430 years after God showed Abraham His Law that defined sin, that is true. but it wasn't God's Law that defined sin that they were trying to be justified by, as the entire Bible, Inspired by the Christ, teaches they rejected and refused to submit to the Law that defined sin.

HIM said:
As we continue in chapter 2 we see this even more. So let's continue, Rom 2:17 says the Jews rest, maketh their way in the law which is restful. They know His will and approve in that they are more excellent through the instruction out of the Law. They are to be guides to the blind, instructors of the foolish, teachers of babes through the knowledge and truth in the Law.

That is the whole point. They were "Supposed to represent the Word of God", but they didn't. John the Baptist did, Zacharias did, Simeon did, Even Anna did, but the Pharisees and Scribes didn't. The Spirit of Christ on Malachi, that Paul most certainly read and believed, tells those who are seeking God's Truth this very same thing.

Malachi 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have "corrupted the covenant of Levi", saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according (Because) as ye "have not" kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

In what world is the Spirit of Christ in Paul not judging the Scribes and Pharisees with the exact same Judgment the Spirit of Christ judged the same religion through Malachi.

I hope you will have the decency to answer some of my questions, consider the implications of the Scriptures I posted for examination. Today is Pentecost, I will try and get the rest of addressing your sermon, before we gather.

Studyman · Jun 21, 2026

HIM said:
And then so we are clear what Law the chapter proceeds to say in respect to the law it is speaking of it says do you not teach yourself? You who teaches thou shalt not steal, do you steal? You who teaches do not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? If so then, you who breaks the Law, commits adultery, steals and commits idolatry dishonors God and the name of God is blasphemed through you. therefore Your circumcision of the flesh is made uncircumcision because you do not keep the righteousness of the Law, the work of the Law in your heart. For he that is of God has the circumcision of the heart through the Spirit not of the letter.

Yes, they were supposed to be teachers of God's Laws, but they were not. They were ignorant of the fact that the physically Circumcised children of Israel died in the wilderness because of disobedience. But their physically uncircumcised children, brought down the city of Jericho and walked across the Jordon River on dry land, by the power of God.

In what world did Paul not know and understand this truth?

HIM said:
Rom 3:1-18 say, what advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles, the divine utterances of God in the Law and prophets and were doing the teaching, the instructing but not the doing of that in which they were suppose to do.

Isn't Paul speaking of the Jews who didn't believe the Oracles of God? Why would you omit that super important part of Paul's teaching?

HIM said:
All are under sin as chapter one showed all the world to be from the foundation of the world.

This is the popular religious philosophy promoted by this world's religions that really bothers me. You are trying to convince me that Paul is teaching that there is no difference between the Pharisees, children of the devil, and the Body of Christ. That both are "Still under Sin". But Paul teaches about those who Yielded themselves a servant to obey God, Sin no longer reigns over them. The implication that the old man and the new man are no different, is an awful teaching, and doesn't align itself at all with what Paul actually says:

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? (Who is judging Paul as a sinner, other than you here, was it not the Jews who had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them?)

8 And not rather, ("as we be slanderously reported", and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? "whose damnation is just".

Whose damnation is just here? Those who are slandering Paul and the Body of Christ, Yes? Whose else is Paul speaking about here, who are slandering him for no cause, whose damnation in just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise:

Can Paul falsely Slander people and not be held accountable by God? Does he get a pass for sinning, because he is better that they are? He tells you, if you would only listen to him. "NO, in no wise", he is not better that others. If HE rejects God's Laws, he will receive the same damnation, just as he already told you in Romans 2, which he also references.

for we have "before proved" both Jews and Gentiles, "that they" (Not "we", the Body of Christ, the Church of God, but THEY) are all under sin;

Here, lets look together and read when Paul before proved this.

Romans 2: 9 Tribulation and anguish (Damnation), upon "every soul of man" that doeth evil, (Slander the Faithful for no cause) of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, (Salvation) to "every man" that "worketh good", to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

So no, Paul is not better that anyone. He will be judged by his works, just as those who profess to know God, but by their works deny Him, will be judged. Same God, Same Judge, Same Judgment. "For there is no respect of persons with God".

If this understanding is wrong, then show me where, according to Scriptures.

HIM said:
And chapter 2 declared that the Jews who received the Law and were to be a light unto the world are no better. As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Again, Paul quoted David in Psalms 5, and 14. If you would take the time to actually study the source of Paul's teaching, you would realize why I am in such disagreement with your religious philosophy here. I used to believe what you are promoting, as it is a popular religious philosophy that I contended with years ago, long before I met you.

I would ask you some questions, in the hope that for your own good, you would engage in the simplest of courtesies and answer them honestly. When the Spirit of Christ inspired David to write;

2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4 Have all "the workers of iniquity" no knowledge? who eat up "my people" as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

5 There "were they" in great fear: for God is in "the generation "of the righteous"".

Who were God's People here Him? Were they children of men, or Children of God? How is it that your post teaches that Paul is judging the Body of Christ, as children of men, but the Spirit of Christ in David is Judging the Body of Christ as "God's People"?

How is it that your post is preaching that there was no Fear of God in the Body of Christ, but the Spirit of Christ in the Psalms Paul quoted said "There they were in great fear"?

How is it that your post is saying that the below defines both men who do Good and men who do Evil, when Paul separates the two when HE before Proved what he before proved?

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: 14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: 15 Their feet are swift to shed blood: 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

But here is what David actually teaches.

Psalms 5: 5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

7 But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and "in thy fear" will I worship toward thy holy temple.

How is it that your post preaches that there is no fear of God for anyone, "No not One"? As you promote, "There is no one righteous", even though the Spirit of Christ on David said that God is in "the Generation of the Righteous".

8 Lead me, O LORD, "in thy righteousness" because of mine enemies; make "thy way straight" before my face.

9 For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulchre; they flatter with their tongue.

10 Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee.

Your post doesn't represent any of the Spirit of Christ's Words promoted in Psalms 5, 14 or Romans 3.

Surely you can see, based on what is actually written, why there remains a disagreement between us.

HIM said:
No sense in answering what you say about the Law because Your point is moot and has nothing to do with Romans what so ever. Because as you can see above it does not say what you think. The Law is that which described what sin is and the mentioning of being justified is that which comes from heeding to the Law that says what sin is.

I know that you have been influenced by religious philosophies of this world, as have I, that God is still revealing to me. And as a result of these worldly influences, "many" are promoting falsehoods about Paul's Letter to the Romans and Galatians.

I am a nobody, and do not promote that you take my word for it. But rather, that you consider what is actually written, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind.

HIM said:
Also it is worthy to mention nothing subjective is said about you or what you believe. Not necessary whatsoever. Only objective facts concerning the topic.

As have I concerning the statements of your posts.

It's a lot easier to have an honest discussion, answering and asking question in search of God's Truth, with someone who doesn't believe they are Learnt. I do hope you will answer my very relevant questions, for the edification of us both.

HIM · Monday at 5:39 AM

Studyman said:
I'm sorry Him. But according to what is written in Scriptures, The "Just" (Justified) shall live by Faith". "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for(Believed on), the evidence of things not seen". And the Word of God that became flesh has taught this from the beginning, "I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect (Believe in My Words). 2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, (Justification, forgiveness of sins, salvation) and will multiply thee exceedingly. (A Promise that is believed on, hoped for, but not yet seen)

No just is not justified in Rom 1:17 in the sense of being vindicated. Just means righteous. Here is the Greek and Hebrew word translated just in Rom 1:17 and Hab 2:4 in the KJV.

Strong's: From G1349; equitable (in character or act); by implication innocent holy (absolutely or relatively): - just meet right (-eous).
Strong's: From H6663; just: - just lawful righteous (man).

The righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. As it is written, the righteous shall live by faith. for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

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