Real hatred towards certain people is not wrong (proof from the Bible)

Neogaia777 · Jun 16, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
So why does God send his enemies to be roasting in hell fire forever?

Those not chosen for Heaven by God from before the foundations of the world, their memories/program is reset, and they are not brought back up again until they are needed again in other creations that are both before and after this, etc. And their fates have always been fully known/already written from God's perspective, and cannot ever be changed except from only our perspectives right now currently, etc. Which is why those fates are always said to be eternal from God's perspective, because from his, they never can/could ever be changed, etc, but can only be changed still only from our perspectives right now only, etc. They also are not, not one of God's chosen, because he hates them, but only because they only can ever serve just only one purpose only from God's perspective, and don't/can't anymore after that, etc, and their whole reason for even being is to serve the purpose of giving others that always were chosen for Heaven from before the foundations of the world from God's perspective, anyway, those ones whole reason for being is to just only give the ones who always were chosen from God's perspective, the experiences they will need for the life that's after this, and after that, those other ones no longer have a reason for being, and can no longer serve a good purpose etc. So, they are reset, and lose all their prior memories and experiences here after death, and they are not brought back up again except in other creations that are still like this, both before and after this, etc. And since from God's perspective none of that can ever be changed, for either one ever, those chosen or not chosen, etc, their fates have always been eternal, in creations that were both before this, and that still will always be after this, etc. But it's also very important to note that we don't know who's who, and that from our perspective, anyone's fate can still be changed, even if they cannot/could not ever be ever from God's perspective, and I mean like "ever" from God's perspective. But for as long as the future, and a full knowledge of determinism, remains an unknown to us, all fates/futures still can change or become different from our perspective, just not from God's ever though, etc.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Jun 16, 2026

Neogaia777 said:
Those not chosen for Heaven by God from before the foundations of the world, their memories/program is reset, and they are not brought back up again until they are needed again in other creations that are both before and after this, etc. And their fates have always been fully known/already written from God's perspective, and cannot ever be changed except from only our perspectives right now currently, etc. Which is why those fates are always said to be eternal from God's perspective, because from his, they never can/could ever be changed, etc, but can only be changed still only from our perspectives right now only, etc. They also are not, not one of God's chosen, because he hates them, but only because they only can ever serve just only one purpose only from God's perspective, and don't/can't anymore after that, etc, and their whole reason for even being is to serve the purpose of giving others that always were chosen for Heaven from before the foundations of the world from God's perspective, anyway, those ones whole reason for being is to just only give the ones who always were chosen from God's perspective, the experiences they will need for the life that's after this, and after that, those other ones no longer have a reason for being, and can no longer serve a good purpose etc. So, they are reset, and lose all their prior memories and experiences here after death, and they are not brought back up again except in other creations that are still like this, both before and after this, etc. And since from God's perspective none of that can ever be changed, for either one ever, those chosen or not chosen, etc, their fates have always been eternal, in creations that were both before this, and that still will always be after this, etc. But it's also very important to note that we don't know who's who, and that from our perspective, anyone's fate can still be changed, even if they cannot/could not ever be ever from God's perspective, and I mean like "ever" from God's perspective. But for as long as the future, and a full knowledge of determinism, remains an unknown to us, all fates/futures still can change or become different from our perspective, just not from God's ever though, etc.

God Bless.

And just so I am clear, and just in case I didn't say this right, the not-chosen one's whole reason and purpose for even being is, to just give the ones that are chosen the experiences they will need later on in heaven, and after that have no (good) reason or purpose for being after that, except for just being reset, and then re-living their whole experiences again, in creations that were both before, and still will be again after this, etc. And their fates are eternal because they can never be changed from God's perspective, and this is not because he hates them, or hates anybody, ok. They are only needed in these existences only, and to just only give the other ones the experiences they will need after this, ok.

God Bless.

Neogaia777 · Jun 16, 2026

Neogaia777 said:
And just so I am clear, and just in case I didn't say this right, the not-chosen one's whole reason and purpose for even being is, to just give the ones that are chosen the experiences they will need later on in heaven, and after that have no (good) reason or purpose for being after that, except for just being reset, and then re-living their whole experiences again, in creations that were both before, and still will be again after this, etc. And their fates are eternal because they can never be changed from God's perspective, and this is not because he hates them, or hates anybody, ok. They are only needed in these existences only, and to just only give the other ones the experiences they will need after this, ok.

God Bless.

Oh, and those not chosen from before the foundations of the world (this right now fallen creation/world, etc) are also brought back up again temporarily at each final judgement of each specfic creation/world again, when it's time for that for each individual one again, each time again (before heaven) in order for us to all know and see how and why God judges them, and what for, etc, so none of us will ever be able to accuse God of being unjust again, but then are only ever brought back up again after that again, only in other creations that are still in fallen states after that again, and this is forever/eternal because of what I've already said, and the fact that there will always be fallen creations elsewhere again, so that everything is eternal, etc. And it is my opinion that it is being in these fallen worlds/creations, and having to live out an existence in them eternally, is the Lake of fire, or places of eternal torment, etc, but that it takes a certain kind of perspective to see them that way, or the perspective from heaven, which all of the rest of us will eventually have one day, etc.

Anyway, God Bless.

notyourenemy · Jun 16, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
"Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?"

Here's that same King David who's willing to be searched for a "wicked way":

"Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places." (Psalm 109:10)

But wait.....

"The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him." (Ezekiel 18:20)

David's desire here doesn't seem particularly righteous, does it?

BibleBeliever1611 · Jun 17, 2026

dlamberth said:
My heart knows the prefect Love that I find in Jesus. But perfect hate? That's something that I don't see in Jesus. Not even close. What I do see in Him is Infinite Divine Compassion. Now that would be worth exploring and bringing into our hearts. Not hate.

What about Jesus Christ destroying Sodom and Gomorrah?

prodromos · Jun 17, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
What about Jesus Christ destroying Sodom and Gomorrah?

Jesus is the perfect judge. What about it?

dlamberth · Jun 17, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
What about Jesus Christ destroying Sodom and Gomorrah?

When sitting in the Heart of Christ, that's where I find perfect Love. I find no hate there.

truthuprootsevil · Jun 17, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
Too often people talk about the idea that all people should be accepted and loved and that hatred is bad. This is completely wrong when we take scripture into consideration.

Psalms 139:21 says, "Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?"

What we can see from this specific scripture is that the guy is asking God, "do not I hate them..." like asking for validation that he's doing something right. Hatred is a good thing and if you have absolutely no hatred towards anyone, you are not certainly walking in the Spirit and you're not following the Bible.

Further on verse 22 the passage continues, "I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."

Now in this verse hatred described here is even deeper than just any normal hatred or negative emotion. With "perfect hatred" he is saying that the people that he hates deserve no love.

From this scripture we can see how serious it is when people are haters or enemies of God. They should not be treated with love, patience, longsuffering, none of that. Sometimes people literally deserve no love and this is proven by scripture. The more you think about this the more you would realize that you should start hating people more and not be like a Pontius Pilate who want's to be on everyone's side. Even from a human perspective, you could conclude that hatred in and of itself should not be bad if God gave people emotions, hatred being one of them. God would not create something bad that shouldn't exist.

So what people would fall into this category of people that deserve no love? The enemies of God. The LGBTQ people for certain. The false prophets. The atheists, at least most of them. The list could continue.

Go to the scriptures above shows David is simply against those who are against God. Against the evilness of the enemies of God is where David's thoughts are. He hates what they stand for, what they do.

Where there is actually hatred / perfect hate no matter what one does, even if they repent, the hatred for them remains. Nor would one call those one actually hate to repentance. Look at Psalms 51:13 _ Psalms 34 especially verses 11-14.

Maine Progressive · Jun 18, 2026

2PhiloVoid said:
Citing Mathew 7:6 is a red herring to the locus of your OP statements and has little to do with 'hating' those who may hate God (or Jesus).

Matthew 7:6 is about being discerning and wise in how you interact with non-believers. It has nothing to do with 'hating them.'

Completely agree with this reply. A good verse to keep in mind when considering who you've given your vote to these days.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 18, 2026

Maine Progressive said:
Completely agree with this reply. A good verse to keep in mind when considering who you've given your vote to these days.

Who I've given my vote to? I didn't vote for him.

BibleBeliever1611 · Jun 18, 2026

prodromos said:
Jesus is the perfect judge. What about it?

So if even a perfect judge would have hatred, we should have hatred as well. If Jesus Christ hated people, then that must prove that hatred is not wrong because there's nothing wrong about Jesus.

throughfierytrial · Jun 18, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
Too often people talk about the idea that all people should be accepted and loved and that hatred is bad. This is completely wrong when we take scripture into consideration.

Psalms 139:21 says, "Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?"

What we can see from this specific scripture is that the guy is asking God, "do not I hate them..." like asking for validation that he's doing something right. Hatred is a good thing and if you have absolutely no hatred towards anyone, you are not certainly walking in the Spirit and you're not following the Bible.

Further on verse 22 the passage continues, "I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."

Now in this verse hatred described here is even deeper than just any normal hatred or negative emotion. With "perfect hatred" he is saying that the people that he hates deserve no love.

From this scripture we can see how serious it is when people are haters or enemies of God. They should not be treated with love, patience, longsuffering, none of that. Sometimes people literally deserve no love and this is proven by scripture. The more you think about this the more you would realize that you should start hating people more and not be like a Pontius Pilate who want's to be on everyone's side. Even from a human perspective, you could conclude that hatred in and of itself should not be bad if God gave people emotions, hatred being one of them. God would not create something bad that shouldn't exist.

So what people would fall into this category of people that deserve no love? The enemies of God. The LGBTQ people for certain. The false prophets. The atheists, at least most of them. The list could continue.

O dear!

throughfierytrial · Jun 18, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
So you don't think it's right to hate the enemies of God? I truly, and I mean truly struggle to understand why people would genuinely feel like that. I'm filled with hatred and anger to the brim regards to the enemies of God.

No! We do not know,firstly, who among the unsaved God plans to save later in their journey.
Secondly…rid yourself of hatred. So says Jesus:
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Maine Progressive · Jun 18, 2026

2PhiloVoid said:
Who I've given my vote to? I didn't vote for him.

Ahggh. Sorry! The curse of 2nd person plural. Same as singular. So the 'your' and 'you've' plurals may have come across as a 'singular' accusation. Careless of me. Sorry. The reply was meant as an agreement with you. But the 'your' was meant in general for us all to think about what we've cast. Pearls or votes. (or maybe you knew that and were just kidding me back)

dlamberth · Jun 18, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
So if even a perfect judge would have hatred, we should have hatred as well. If Jesus Christ hated people, then that must prove that hatred is not wrong because there's nothing wrong about Jesus.

When sitting in the Heart of Christ, I find only perfect Love. For myself, His perfect Love is the gateway. So, while sitting in the Heart of Christ while experiencing and taking in His perfect Love, I have no idea how anyone can find hate in His Divinely Blessed Holy Soul.

partinobodycular · Jun 18, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
So if even a perfect judge would have hatred, we should have hatred as well. If Jesus Christ hated people, then that must prove that hatred is not wrong because there's nothing wrong about Jesus.

If you truly seek to know what's in a person's heart... give them a bible... what they do after that won't give you much insight into God's character, but it'll give you immeasurable insight into theirs.

For better or worse, people see what they want to see, and for better or worse, we see their soul.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 18, 2026

Maine Progressive said:
Ahggh. Sorry! The curse of 2nd person plural. Same as singular. So the 'your' and 'you've' plurals may have come across as a 'singular' accusation. Careless of me. Sorry. The reply was meant as an agreement with you. But the 'your' was meant in general for us all to think about what we've cast. Pearls or votes. (or maybe you knew that and were just kidding me back)

After about 20 seconds reflection from reading your post earlier today, its 2nd person plural sunk in and I figured that was what you meant, hence the emoji I added.

So, it's all good. Thanks!

prodromos · Jun 18, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
So if even a perfect judge would have hatred, we should have hatred as well. If Jesus Christ hated people, then that must prove that hatred is not wrong because there's nothing wrong about Jesus.

Where did you get the idea that Christ hates anybody? You haven't demonstrated the former so naturally your argument does not follow.

Larniavc · Jun 19, 2026

BibleBeliever1611 said:
Dark evil forces, demonic people, the workers of Satan, things of that nature. What kind of answer did you expect to that question?

That’s simply you, demonising people disliked by you, to make it easier for them to be hated by you.

And the justification for this for you is the Bible.

From the perspective of an atheist you are doing an fantastic job!

Larniavc · Jun 19, 2026

prodromos said:
Where did you get the idea that Christ hates anybody? You haven't demonstrated the former so naturally your argument does not follow.

Proverbs 6:16-19 KJV (King James Version)

These six things doth the LORD hate: Yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, Feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, And he that soweth discord among brethren.

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