Trump Says US Will Permanently Pause Migration From 'Third World Countries'

rjs330 · Jun 16, 2026

rambot said:
This question is a bit confusing. How would you know the illegals are going to commit a crime?

I was responding to what he said regarding Americans committing crines too. He can defend his own statement.

rambot said:
The very large majority VERY LARGE majority don't commit any crimes

How do you know that? We don't know who all the illegals are, nor do we know what crimes they have committed. Did you think that the US government knows the identity of every illegal?

rambot said:
other than their citizenship status.

Thats a crime and the penalty for that is deportation. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. That they should not face the penalty for being an illegal? We should ignore the law? What is your point in pointing out the only crime they've committed is breaking one particular law?

rambot said:
This is too vague. Could you provide more details? Because illegals have certainly been caught committing crimes and charged. Specifically, who are you referring to by "most places"?

Yes there have been illegals who have been caught committing crimes. Sometimes its discovered because immigration is aware of them. But most places which means the majority of jurisdictions in the US do not check the immigration status or citizenship status of people who are arrested.

rambot said:
Who would they be REQUIRED to prove their citizenship to that wouldn't have access to that information anyways?

So if they aren't required then why bother asking if they are legal or not? Thats why they dont ask. It doesn't matter.

rambot said:
Does the Justice system not make a note on a file ANYWHERE about citizenship status? I find that hard to believe.

No they don't. Not unless a specific jurisdiction has that in place. And its useless if you don't have to prove anything. If an illegal claims hes a citizen, well then you just have added to the number of citizens who commit crimes.

rambot said:
Do you have information to support this, specifically for "illegals"?

Yes and no I'm not going to post it. I've severely backed off of arguing on this forum. Its been good for my mental health. So I'm not going waste much time arguing anymore. In fact there's a good chance I won't respond to your next reply.

rambot said:
Americans are NEVER going to do that work and jingoist border worshipping Americans need to realize that.

Actually they would. You know Cabada has a border too that is enforced. Do you have a lot of illegals there doing jobs Canadians wont do? I don't know I've never looked into it. Maybe you do? How many illegals does Canada have?

rambot · Jun 17, 2026

rjs330 said:
How do you know that? ..... Did you think that the US government knows the identity of every illegal?

Studies by the National Bureau of Economic Research and the PRoceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that indicate as such. They have been presented here.

We don't know who all the illegals are, nor do we know what crimes they have committed.

Not a big surprise really. The government doesn't know which citizens have commited which crimes either.

rjs330 said:
Thats a crime and the penalty for that is deportation. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. That they should not face the penalty for being an illegal? We should ignore the law? What is your point in pointing out the only crime they've committed is breaking one particular law?

Hey. So long as you aren't going to argue that this immigration crackdown isn't just about getting rid of "rapists, murderers and drug dealers"; So long as you are 100% in favour of illegals having worked here for years, contributed to systems, paying taxes and putting down roots, being ripped their their communities and deported, I couildn't say much.

I've always thought the immigration crackdown had the veneer that it was about making America safer.

But I appreciate that you are clearly NOT taking that position: you simply want illegals out; regardless of circumstance. They don't deserve all the things they worked for because they didn't come to the US legally.

rjs330 said:
Yes there have been illegals who have been caught committing crimes. Sometimes its discovered because immigration is aware of them. But most places which means the majority of jurisdictions in the US do not check the immigration status or citizenship status of people who are arrested.

Perhaps I don't understand this..... is your argument is that the DOJ is unaware of whether an inmate is an illegal immigrant?

rjs330 said:
No they don't. Not unless a specific jurisdiction has that in place. And its useless if you don't have to prove anything. If an illegal claims hes a citizen, well then you just have added to the number of citizens who commit crimes.

So it doesn't get checked through the whole DOJ experience?

rjs330 said:
Yes and no I'm not going to post it. I've severely backed off of arguing on this forum. Its been good for my mental health.

I can appreciate that.

rjs330 said:
So I'm not going waste much time arguing anymore.

Fair enough. But it seems you've been arguing in this thread a bit...just saying.

Is it more just that you're not going to put in the intellectual effort of supporting your position with evidence?

rjs330 said:
In fact there's a good chance I won't respond to your next reply.

Fair enough. I completely understand.

rjs330 said:
Actually they would. You know Cabada has a border too that is enforced. Do you have a lot of illegals there doing jobs Canadians wont do? I don't know I've never looked into it. Maybe you do? How many illegals does Canada have?

Absolutely.
The EXACT same jobs they do in the US because Canadians ALSO think they are above those jobs.

rjs330 · Jun 17, 2026

rambot said:
Studies by the National Bureau of Economic Research and the PRoceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that indicate as such. They have been presented here.

A quick check shows the governement, federal, state and locals do not know the identities of every illegal in the US or their own jurisdiction.

rambot said:
Not a big surprise really. The government doesn't know which citizens have commited which crimes either.

Therefore everyone that makes the claim that illegals per capita commit less crime is incorrect. Because we don't know. Its a completely unprovable assertion.

rambot said:
Hey. So long as you aren't going to argue that this immigration crackdown isn't just about getting rid of "rapists, murderers and drug dealers"; So long as you are 100% in favour of illegals having worked here for years, contributed to systems, paying taxes and putting down roots, being ripped their their communities and deported, I couildn't say much.

That's correct. Thats why countries have borders and immigration laws. Don't cross the border illegally and don't break the law and you'll be fine. Just because a criminal contributes to society and lives there doesn't mean they are no longer a criminal. Correct? We have a lot of citizen criminals who are ripped from their communities. Why should illegals be any different? I guess if you are on a year long sebatical and someone breaks into your house and sets down roots they should not be ripped from their community?

rambot said:
Perhaps I don't understand this..... is your argument is that the DOJ is unaware of whether an inmate is an illegal immigrant?

That's correct. Not unless they already know the person or the local jurisdiction identifies the person as an illegal and shares that with them.

rambot said:
Fair enough. But it seems you've been arguing in this thread a bit...just saying.

Yeah, I just found this interesting enough. I probably won't much longer since the information I'm sharing isn't making any difference. I'm not long just going to argue to argue. If you don't believe me then just say so and move on.

rambot said:
Absolutely.
The EXACT same jobs they do in the US because Canadians ALSO think they are above those jobs.

How many illegals does Canada have? What does the Canadian governement do when they catch an illegal?

rambot · Jun 17, 2026

rjs330 said:
A quick check shows the governement, federal, state and locals do not know the identities of every illegal in the US or their own jurisdiction.

Of course they would not. But the government has been REALLY great at "taking guesses" at how many illegals are here. You'll note that Republicans' very BASIS for going AFTER Them to begin with was the fact that there were "millions".

If they know enough to guess how many there are to SCARE you, then we can use the same data to prove how infrequently they commit crimes.

rjs330 said:
That's correct. Thats why countries have borders and immigration laws. Don't cross the border illegally and don't break the law and you'll be fine.

BAM! And that is where I am confused because I have seen this happen often.
You write "don't cross the border illegally and don't break the law".....HERE you are pointing out that these incidents are TWO separate and apparently,

Are you of the opinion that a naturalized citizen could be removed from the US if they commit a crime?
That seems messed up.

rjs330 said:
Just because a criminal contributes to society and lives there doesn't mean they are no longer a criminal. Correct?

IF you define them as a criminal to begin with, I have no choice but to agree.

rjs330 said:
We have a lot of citizen criminals who are ripped from their communities. Why should illegals be any different?

Because those citizen criminals did things that HURT THEIR COMMUNITY or it's members.

Believe it or not, I would rather have a rapist murderer removed from my community than an illegal alien if we are only looking at two charges and I'm sure you'd feel the same (if, somehow, anyone would be in a position to make that choice).

rjs330 said:
I guess if you are on a year long sebatical and someone breaks into your house and sets down roots they should not be ripped from their community?

I have NO PROBLEM with booting illegals out if they break the law. Sure. No problem.

rjs330 said:
That's correct. Not unless they already know the person or the local jurisdiction identifies the person as an illegal and shares that with them.

But then how do they come out with these press releases then?
https://www.justice.gov/archives/op...and-security-release-data-incarcerated-aliens

rjs330 said:
Yeah, I just found this interesting enough. I probably won't much longer since the information I'm sharing isn't making any difference. I'm not long just going to argue to argue. If you don't believe me then just say so and move on.

FWIW, you did teach me some interesting information about the DOJ and I appreciate that.

rjs330 said:
How many illegals does Canada have? What does the Canadian governement do when they catch an illegal?

NO idea...
Guesses are around 300-600,000 apparently.

I can't say.

The same kinda stuff that happens in most places; held/ put before an immigration tribunal thingy with 48hrs...removals as necessary.

rjs330 · Jun 17, 2026

rambot said:
If they know enough to guess how many there are to SCARE you, then we can use the same data to prove how infrequently they commit crimes.

Sorry it doesn't work that way.

rambot said:
BAM! And that is where I am confused because I have seen this happen often.
You write "don't cross the border illegally and don't break the law".....HERE you are pointing out that these incidents are TWO separate and apparently,

Nope, I was referring to crossing the border illegally as the crime. The reason is to point out it is a crime, because there are those who wish to believe it isn't.

rambot said:
Are you of the opinion that a naturalized citizen could be removed from the US if they commit a crime?
That seems messed up.

No I'm not. My peraonal belief is t gat once you are a naturalized citizen then you are a citizen, whatever you do. I know there are thise who don't feel that way, but I do.

rambot said:
IF you define them as a criminal to begin with, I have no choice but to agree.

Okay, see that's why I said what I said. An inference that maybe they aren't committing a crime.

rambot said:
Because those citizen criminals did things that HURT THEIR COMMUNITY or it's members.

Illegals are doing the same.

rambot said:
Believe it or not, I would rather have a rapist murderer removed from my community than an illegal alien

They both should face the consequences of their law breaking.

rambot said:
have NO PROBLEM with booting illegals out if they break the law. Sure. No problem.

Then what are you arguing about? Illegals are breaking the law. No different than the people that broke into your house.

rambot said:
But then how do they come out with these press releases then?

Its becauae they do know and find out the identity of some. I already explained this.

rambot said:
The same kinda stuff that happens in most places; held/ put before an immigration tribunal thingy with 48hrs...removals as necessary.

What do you mean as necessary. Why does it seem like you know more about the US than Canada on this issue? Why don't you have the same concern over what Canada does?

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