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Do you have a valid source to cite for that strawman?
That Trump started the war and he's now in a worse position than he was before he tore up the deal? Are you for real? What on earth are you on about?
 
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It will go from being stored to getting out once the Strait is reopened, which is part of the agreement that's been reached.
It was open to start with. And you have no agreement yet. Only an MoU. And when you do get an agreement, don't spend too much time considering if it's a good deal or not. You will be told what to think about it in due course.
 
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You mock, but you don't deny. That's a sign of some hope.
And what do you mean, "you guys". I'm the only guy using this account.

No, I did “deny.” You just had to keep reading.

And by “you guys,” I meant you guys:
I'm not bothered, this is a forum, we talk about things like this.
Hatred for the man seems off the charts and some of you couldn't give him credit if he cured cancer

QFT -

The tribal vitriol is so pervasive, nothing positive can be said without severe consternation. He could help find the cure for cancer today and the headlines would read how he hates doctors and put them out of a job tomorrow.

You would complain if he cured cancer

I'm not surprised that a liberal is downplaying Machado's support for President Trump. He could cure cancer and yall might still downplay that too.

People say that if Trump cured cancer, people would still complain. Right now I believe them.

Everyone opposing Trump is doing just that because they hate him to the inth degree. He could cure cancer and they would all find that wrong. It is plain to see this whole thread is "how to oppose Trump"

He could literally cure cancer and you guys would complain!

I don't think he just about anyone's idol let alone golden idol -

It's the craziest thing - say one decent thing that he says or does and you are verbally bludgeoned off the forum.

There is no one - not even Clinton that is 100% wrong 100% of the time - Trump is portrayed as worse than Satan himself.

And people see that - it's why is falls on deaf ears. I think it has gotten to the point that if Trump announces a cure for cancer you'd see this outside the White HouseView attachment 379384

Are we to believe that you all landed on this particular turn of phrase independently? lol
 
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Good thing that's not the case. It's simply a case of people hating Trump no matter what he does. Even if he single-handedly cured cancer, his haters would claim that he must have done it to get richer, or that he stole the cure from someone else, or that the cure is actually a method of something nefarious.
I've realized that there's no way of convincing people to see the good in anything if they're determined to hate those they don't agree with.
Classic ad hominem, instead of dealing with the actual argument, you attack the motivations of those making the argument.

We blame Trump because Trump tore up a deal that was working, allowing the situation to get worse, and then attacked Iran, causing the strait to be closed. Then you expect us to praise Trump for maybe getting a deal to open the strait after many lives and several billion dollars have been wasted? This isn't blind hatred on display here, specific reasons have been given for the criticism of Trump's actions, but those specific objections are ignored.

But yeah, we're all just hoping Trump will singlehandedly cure cancer so we can rip him a new one for it. Riiiight.

-- A2SG, let him cure cancer already, then we'll talk.....
 
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It will go from being stored to getting out once the Strait is reopened, which is part of the agreement that's been reached. That's part of the reason oil prices are now dropping--due to the expectation of more oil becoming available.
Do know about these odd little floating tubs of oil called "tankers"? There is a capacity limit to how fast oil can flow and it takes time for the ships to arrive anywhere.
 
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We blame Trump because Trump tore up a deal that was working, allowing the situation to get worse, and then attacked Iran, causing the strait to be closed. Then you expect us to praise Trump for maybe getting a deal to open the strait after many lives and several billion dollars have been wasted? This isn't blind hatred on display here, specific reasons have been given for the criticism of Trump's actions, but those specific objections are ignored.
First, you are incorrect, Trump never "tore up a deal." Trump pulled the U.S. out of the agreement, Iran and Germany and France and the U.K. and Russia and China remained in the Obama deal. Trump withdrew the U.S. because the Obama deal was working for Iran and their allies. Iran developed missiles that could hit Berlin and London and had highly enriched uranium one step away from an atomic bomb. That's when the U.S. intervened. Shipping has been disrupted numerous times in the past, here's a timeline of previous conflicts:
As Trump said so many times, the reason behind the actions and the new deal is to make sure Iran never has a nuclear weapon, just the opposite of the Obama plan which gave Iran a clear path to a nuclear weapon.
 
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As Trump said so many times, the reason behind the actions and the new deal is to make sure Iran never has a nuclear weapon, just the opposite of the Obama plan which gave Iran a clear path to a nuclear weapon.
You've been given the details of the agreement more than once. Iran was complying with it. You know that. So the person who told you that Iran had a clear path to a nuke...why aren't you calling them out for lying?

They only started enriching nuclear weapon grade material after the agreement was binned. And do you remember who did that?
 
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First, you are incorrect, Trump never "tore up a deal." Trump pulled the U.S. out of the agreement, Iran and Germany and France and the U.K. and Russia and China remained in the Obama deal. Trump withdrew the U.S. because the Obama deal was working for Iran and their allies. Iran developed missiles that could hit Berlin and London and had highly enriched uranium one step away from an atomic bomb. That's when the U.S. intervened. Shipping has been disrupted numerous times in the past, here's a timeline of previous conflicts:
As Trump said so many times, the reason behind the actions and the new deal is to make sure Iran never has a nuclear weapon, just the opposite of the Obama plan which gave Iran a clear path to a nuclear weapon.
This is a lie. A lie about which you have been corrected at least two times in a short time.
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First, you are incorrect, Trump never "tore up a deal." Trump pulled the U.S. out of the agreement, Iran and Germany and France and the U.K. and Russia and China remained in the Obama deal. Trump withdrew the U.S. because the Obama deal was working for Iran and their allies.
By all accounts, Iran was complying with the deal. What evidence do you have that this was not the case?

Iran developed missiles that could hit Berlin and London and had highly enriched uranium one step away from an atomic bomb. That's when the U.S. intervened. Shipping has been disrupted numerous times in the past, here's a timeline of previous conflicts:
As Trump said so many times, the reason behind the actions and the new deal is to make sure Iran never has a nuclear weapon, just the opposite of the Obama plan which gave Iran a clear path to a nuclear weapon.
It did not.

-- A2SG, still unclear on why Trump should be praised for making things worse.....
 
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It shows that Iran is willing to negotiate. And reopening the Strait will ease inflation by allowing commerce to happen, and for oil to be moved through there.
This is kind of a silly and even stupid arguement as a "positive" result. I will be a bit crude in my metaphor, but this is akin to us all eating around a table. Then one of us climbs on the table, drops a deuce in the middle of it before sitting back down and another person arguing how things are so much better because we're all eating together again. We were all eating together already before, only now there's a stinker in the middle of it all.
 
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By all accounts, Iran was complying with the deal. What evidence do you have that this was not the case?
Exactly my point, the Obama deal allowed Iran to develop missiles that could reach London and Berlin and enrich uranium to a point just short of a nuclear weapon. Iran did both.
-- A2SG, still unclear on why Trump should be praised for making things worse.....
Worse for Iran and allies, you are absolutely correct. But on the flip side, I and many others are very much against the use of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. For those who believe likewise Trump pulled off a great victory.
 
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Exactly my point, the Obama deal allowed Iran to develop missiles that could reach London and Berlin and enrich uranium to a point just short of a nuclear weapon. Iran did both.
And your evidence for this is...?

Worse for Iran and allies, you are absolutely correct.
And for everyone else, given everything that's happened with the Strait of Hormuz, which was the direct result of Trump and Israel's actions.

But on the flip side, I and many others are very much against the use of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. For those who believe likewise Trump pulled off a great victory.
Let's see your evidence first, before you start declaring victories.

-- A2SG, that's Trump's thing, declaring victory without any evidence of it.....
 
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No, I did “deny.” You just had to keep reading.

And by “you guys,” I meant you guys:
Way to throw @Nithavela under the bus there lol

But you've highlighted something interesting. This common "cure cancer" refrain that seems to be so pervasive. There's something to this. I've been noticing it in the last year or so. I wrote a short post about it detailing just some of the ways science and research in the US have been set back permanently for probably a hundred years. I thought about doing a more extensive write up of all the ways agencies have been gutted, research has been cut, and health watchdogs have been put down. It's so extensive that I don't think I have the journalistic skills and relevant scientific knowhow to see the entire big picture. But there's definitely a story there. Probably a couple four hour video essays worth. I don't envy the people who have to put those together.
 
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Exactly my point, the Obama deal allowed Iran to develop missiles that could reach London and Berlin and enrich uranium to a point just short of a nuclear weapon. Iran did both.

Worse for Iran and allies, you are absolutely correct. But on the flip side, I and many others are very much against the use of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. For those who believe likewise Trump pulled off a great victory.
With uranium enriched no higher than 3.67% - as all te IAEA reports tell us?
You have been corrected on this point muliple times. IAEA reports have been quoted verbatim.
A direct link to all reports have been offered to you, so you could quote them to support your point. Yet you continue to repeat the lies of the Trump administration without any trace of evidence.
 
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With uranium enriched no higher than 3.67% - as all te IAEA reports tell us?
You have been corrected on this point muliple times. IAEA reports have been quoted verbatim.
A direct link to all reports have been offered to you, so you could quote them to support your point. Yet you continue to repeat the lies of the Trump administration without any trace of evidence.

Iran still has highly enriched uranium supply​

The IAEA estimates that when Israel launched its first attacks in June, Iran had 440.9 kg of 60% uranium. If enriched further, that would provide the explosive needed for 10 nuclear weapons, according to an IAEA yardstick.

What happens to Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile, including the 970 pounds that it has highly concentrated to near-weapons grade, is one of the primary sticking points as the US and Iran have trudged through weeks of negotiations to potentially end the Iran war.
 
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Iran still has highly enriched uranium supply​

The IAEA estimates that when Israel launched its first attacks in June, Iran had 440.9 kg of 60% uranium. If enriched further, that would provide the explosive needed for 10 nuclear weapons, according to an IAEA yardstick.

What happens to Iran’s enriched uranium stockpile, including the 970 pounds that it has highly concentrated to near-weapons grade, is one of the primary sticking points as the US and Iran have trudged through weeks of negotiations to potentially end the Iran war.
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2026. After Trump withdraw from the JCPOA.
Iran had no single incentive to comply with the JCPOA, if the USA withdraw from it.
 
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2026. After Trump withdraw from the JCPOA.
Iran had no single incentive to comply with the JCPOA, if the USA withdraw from it.
Your information was really off about the enriched uranium, what was your source? Your newest claim sounds like a summary. Can you provide a quotation and cite your sources?
 
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Your information was really off about the enriched uranium, what was your source?
I linked to the page where all the IAEA reports on the monitoring of the Iranian nuclear facilities are collected.
I said so explicitly. I quoted the 2017 and 2018 reports. The reports from before Trump annulled the JCPOA. The period when Iran was complying with the agreement. The period when Iran had every reason to comply with the agreement.
This has been written about 4 or 5 times the last two days. It is even still on this very page.
 
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