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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Real hatred towards certain people is not wrong (proof from the Bible)
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It doesn't matter because according to Psalm 139 God has clearly called us to hate people. I'm not saying it means all enemies of course but in Psalm 139 he tells how he has perfect hatred towards certain people. What's so interesting about this thread is that people appear to be more interested in virtue signalling and stirring up strife rather than offering a better interpretation of what perfect hatred means in their mind.
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You keep citing Psalm 139:21-22 in an incorrect context. David is not calling people to hate others but to hate anything that is ungodly. That doesn’t mean that we hate any particular sinner. In fact, you should continue to read verses 23 and 24 and pray those words for God to search your heart and your thoughts for any hurtful ways in you.
“¶Search me, God, and know my heart; Put me to the test and know my anxious thoughts; And see if there is any hurtful way in me, And lead me in the everlasting way.”
Psalm 139:23-24 NASB2020
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¶Search me, God, and know my heart; Put me to the test and know my anxious thoughts; And see if there is any hurtful way in me, And lead me in the everlasting way.
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Consider following Paul’s words in the following verses.
“Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Your speech must always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.”
Colossians 4:5-6 NASB2020
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Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Your speech must always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond t
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Hatred towards people is not taught in scripture.
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How about explaining what perfect hatred means in your mind and how having perfect hatred for someone cause you to conduct yourself towards them?
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While righteous anger may at times be understandable, I think that the greater Christian response to things that we find offensive is heartbreak and disappointment. Be angry with the thing that happened, but be sad for the souls of those by which they happened. Anger and compassion aren't mutually exclusive, you can have both. Hate the sin, love the sinner.
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What is "Matt" claiming here, that God makes the laws of physics rotationally invariant?
"He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good"
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From the context in which that phrase is situated, I think we can all understand that its poetic meaning is a comment about God's grace and general provision rather than a scientific observation.
The question is though, does the OP understand it? Apparently not.
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Why would God have given people the emotion of hatred if that was wrong? You're saying God created something bad? What you are saying makes no sense from neither intellectual or common sense point of view, not scriptural point of view (again, Psalm 139).
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How about pride, greed and envy/covetousness?
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Pride, greed, hatred, and envy: Are those actually emotions in themselves? Or are they attitudes derived from more basic actual emotions?
In modern psychology, pride, greed, hatred, and envy are generally not considered "basic emotions" in the way that emotions such as fear, anger, sadness, joy, disgust, and surprise are often classified. Instead, they are usually viewed as complex emotional states, dispositions, attitudes, or motivational patterns built from more fundamental emotions, thoughts, and social judgments.
I agree with that. I would argue that God gave us basic emotions of the flesh such as fear, anger, sadness, joy, disgust, and surprise. But pride, greed, hatred, and envy are developed from intentionally feeding the flesh instead of placing those emotions under the control of a Christ-like spirit.
That's why:
"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." — James 1
James does not treat sinful attitudes as simple emotions that suddenly appear. Instead, he presents a process:
Basic Emotion > Mental Consent > Sin > Habitual Sinfulness > Death
The basic God-given emotions may provide the raw material, but sin occurs when the person embraces, nurtures, or acts upon them in a non-Spiritual way.
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Matthew 15:1-20 verses 17 through 20 in particular. Read 1 John 2:1-29, to distinguish between that we are called to love one another but not the fallen world we live in in ( note 1 John 3:11-12 later on). Go back review Genesis 4:1-16, Genesis 9:1-17 etc.
Psalm 139 is more often referenced for the sanctity of life in the preborn ( Psalm 139:13-16). David was often praying for his survival against enemies like the Phlistines in his times of anguish ( Psalm 3:1-8 for ex.). David could also be a sinner like when he committed adultery with Bathsheba ( who was a victim) & left her husband Uriah to die in battle ( go back & read 2 Samuel chapters 11 & 12 & David’s confession witnessed by Nathan in Psalm 51).
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No good fruit ever becomes of hatred, and it is toxic to your own soul.
Doesn't mean all anger is always wrong however, etc.
God Bless.
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I think there are many things worth hating. I hate pedophilia. I hate children starving. I hate bureaucratic systems so screwed up that you can't navigate them. The hatred become the power driving me to make changes to protect the innocent and fix problems.
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Exactly. We are to cast out the nets, and bring in all the fish, and in the end only God will decide who to save and who to throw away, do the judging and sorting. And we ain't God. We are called to share the gospel with every creature (Mark 16:15).
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The difference is having anger at the unjust acts, or actions/decisions, which can sometimes be a good thing that leads to change, it's why I mentioned righteous anger, etc, but hatred is something very much more, it's something you harbor and nurse continually until it becomes at risk of consuming you, and that's never good for anybody, etc.
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