Must I keep Saturday as a day of scrupulous rest from worldly works?

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S.O.J.I.A. · Sunday at 5:20 PM

Blueprints said:
The new moon is always the first day of the month. When did I ever say otherwise? This conversation is no longer vaild, for is it simply you speaking with your idea of me (or rather, just you again).

And now you're quoting me out of context,

You brought up extra biblical sources and I wanted you to use those to refute the new moon being the first day of the month.

If you agree the new moon is the first day of the month than 8/15/22/29 Sabbaths stand.

Dan Perez · Sunday at 5:51 PM

Xeno.of.athens said:
I am not bound to keep Saturday as a day of scrupulous rest, because the Sabbath commandment—while morally permanent in its call to worship and to set aside time for God—was fulfilled and transformed in Christ, who rose on the first day of the week (Matt 28:1; Mark 16:2; John 20:1), leading the apostles and the early Church to gather on “the Lord’s Day” (Rev 1:10; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 16:2). The Church teaches that the ceremonial precepts of the Old Covenant, including the specific legal observance of the seventh‑day rest, were shadows pointing to Christ and are no longer binding as law (Col 2:16–17), whereas the moral heart of the commandment—worship of God and rest from servile labour—remains and is fulfilled in the Sunday Eucharist, the memorial of the new creation and the Resurrection. Thus, a Catholic keeps the Third Commandment not by Saturday observance but by sanctifying Sunday in obedience to the apostolic practice and the Church’s authority given by Christ (Matt 16:18–19; Luke 10:16), which safeguards the proper understanding of Scripture and its fulfilment in the New Covenant.

And this is what the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES WROTE by the Holy SPIRIT. and not what MAN BELIKEVES !!

# 1 Let // KYINO. in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE. in the. IMPERATIVE MOOD and this MOOD IT IS A COMMAND

TO KEEK WHAT PAUL WROTE. and Not what mans SAYS what he feels he wants to KEEP

# 2 NO //. ME is a DIS.UCTIVE PARTICLE

# 3 MAN //. TIS in the NOMINATIVE CASE in the SIGNULAR in the INDEFINITE PRONOUN

#4 THEREFORE. // OUN. is. a CONJUNCTION

# 5 JUDGE. // KRINO. in the PRESENT TENSE in the ACTIVE VOICE in the IMPERATIVE MOOD , is a COMMAND. to

believe it. in. the SIGNULAR

# 6. YOU. // HYMAS. is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN. in the ACCUSATIVE CASE in the SINGULAR

# 7 IN. // EN is a PREPOSITION

# 8. MEAT // BROSIS. in. the DATIVE CASE in the SIGNULAR

# 9. OR. // E is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE

# 10. IN. //. EN is a PREPOSTION

# 11. DRINK // POSIS in. the DATIVE CASE. in the SINGULAR

# 12. OR. // E. is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE

# 13. IN. //. EN. is a PREPOSTION

# 14. RESPECT. // MEROS. in. the DATIVE CASE. in the SIGNULAR IN THE NEUTER

# 15. OF A HOLY DAY. // HEORTE in the GENITIVE CASE. in the SIGNULAR

#. 16. OR //. is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE

# 17. OF THE NEW MOON // NEOMENIA. in the GENITIVE CASE in. the SIGNULAR

# 18. OR //. E is a DISJUNCTIVE. PARTICLE

# 19. OF. THE SABBATH //. SABBVATON in the GENITIVE CASE in the PLUAL. in terms NEUTER

dan p

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Dan Perez · Sunday at 6:03 PM

Xeno.of.athens said:
I am not bound to keep Saturday as a day of scrupulous rest, because the Sabbath commandment—while morally permanent in its call to worship and to set aside time for God—was fulfilled and transformed in Christ, who rose on the first day of the week (Matt 28:1; Mark 16:2; John 20:1), leading the apostles and the early Church to gather on “the Lord’s Day” (Rev 1:10; Acts 20:7; 1 Cor 16:2). The Church teaches that the ceremonial precepts of the Old Covenant, including the specific legal observance of the seventh‑day rest, were shadows pointing to Christ and are no longer binding as law (Col 2:16–17), whereas the moral heart of the commandment—worship of God and rest from servile labour—remains and is fulfilled in the Sunday Eucharist, the memorial of the new creation and the Resurrection. Thus, a Catholic keeps the Third Commandment not by Saturday observance but by sanctifying Sunday in obedience to the apostolic practice and the Church’s authority given by Christ (Matt 16:18–19; Luke 10:16), which safeguards the proper understanding of Scripture and its fulfilment in the New Covenant.

And just asking as to A. verse that we have to KEEP THE NEW COVENANT given to Israel ?

And a verse how to be SAVED under the NEW COVENANT. as even today they do not HAVE A HIGH PRIEST. ??

AS only Israel had a high Priest and CHRIST will be the HIGH PRIEST. and not man !!

dan p

Xeno.of.athens · Sunday at 7:09 PM

Dan Perez said:
And this is what the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES WROTE by the Holy SPIRIT. and not what MAN BELIKEVES !!

# 1 Let // KYINO. in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE. in the. IMPERATIVE MOOD and this MOOD IT IS A COMMAND

TO KEEK WHAT PAUL WROTE. and Not what mans SAYS what he feels he wants to KEEP

# 2 NO //. ME is a DIS.UCTIVE PARTICLE

# 3 MAN //. TIS in the NOMINATIVE CASE in the SIGNULAR in the INDEFINITE PRONOUN

#4 THEREFORE. // OUN. is. a CONJUNCTION

# 5 JUDGE. // KRINO. in the PRESENT TENSE in the ACTIVE VOICE in the IMPERATIVE MOOD , is a COMMAND. to

believe it. in. the SIGNULAR

# 6. YOU. // HYMAS. is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN. in the ACCUSATIVE CASE in the SINGULAR

# 7 IN. // EN is a PREPOSITION

# 8. MEAT // BROSIS. in. the DATIVE CASE in the SIGNULAR

# 9. OR. // E is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE

# 10. IN. //. EN is a PREPOSTION

# 11. DRINK // POSIS in. the DATIVE CASE. in the SINGULAR

# 12. OR. // E. is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE

# 13. IN. //. EN. is a PREPOSTION

# 14. RESPECT. // MEROS. in. the DATIVE CASE. in the SIGNULAR IN THE NEUTER

# 15. OF A HOLY DAY. // HEORTE in the GENITIVE CASE. in the SIGNULAR

#. 16. OR //. is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE

# 17. OF THE NEW MOON // NEOMENIA. in the GENITIVE CASE in. the SIGNULAR

# 18. OR //. E is a DISJUNCTIVE. PARTICLE

# 19. OF. THE SABBATH //. SABBVATON in the GENITIVE CASE in the PLUAL. in terms NEUTER

dan p

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Goodness me! All that verbiage just to say, "Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. (ESV)"

Blueprints · Sunday at 7:16 PM

Dan Perez said:
And this is what the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES WROTE by the Holy SPIRIT. and not what MAN BELIKEVES !!

# 1 Let // KYINO. in the PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE. in the. IMPERATIVE MOOD and this MOOD IT IS A COMMAND

TO KEEK WHAT PAUL WROTE. and Not what mans SAYS what he feels he wants to KEEP

# 2 NO //. ME is a DIS.UCTIVE PARTICLE

# 3 MAN //. TIS in the NOMINATIVE CASE in the SIGNULAR in the INDEFINITE PRONOUN

#4 THEREFORE. // OUN. is. a CONJUNCTION

# 5 JUDGE. // KRINO. in the PRESENT TENSE in the ACTIVE VOICE in the IMPERATIVE MOOD , is a COMMAND. to

believe it. in. the SIGNULAR

# 6. YOU. // HYMAS. is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN. in the ACCUSATIVE CASE in the SINGULAR

# 7 IN. // EN is a PREPOSITION

# 8. MEAT // BROSIS. in. the DATIVE CASE in the SIGNULAR

# 9. OR. // E is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE

# 10. IN. //. EN is a PREPOSTION

# 11. DRINK // POSIS in. the DATIVE CASE. in the SINGULAR

# 12. OR. // E. is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE

# 13. IN. //. EN. is a PREPOSTION

# 14. RESPECT. // MEROS. in. the DATIVE CASE. in the SIGNULAR IN THE NEUTER

# 15. OF A HOLY DAY. // HEORTE in the GENITIVE CASE. in the SIGNULAR

#. 16. OR //. is a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE

# 17. OF THE NEW MOON // NEOMENIA. in the GENITIVE CASE in. the SIGNULAR

# 18. OR //. E is a DISJUNCTIVE. PARTICLE

# 19. OF. THE SABBATH //. SABBVATON in the GENITIVE CASE in the PLUAL. in terms NEUTER

dan p

@

Perhaps you may consider the text, comparisons and parallelisms that Col. 2 is drawing from.

Here is a nifty chart - https://archive.org/details/the-7th-day-the-sabbath-the-rest-of-his-eternal-story/page/n79/mode/1up

Colossians 2:16 KJB - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Temporary	Eternal & Everlasting
“ordinances” [ie. Passover, &c.] – Col. 2:14	“Ten Commandments” – Exo. 34:28; Deu. 4:13, 10:4
“carnal” [sacrifices, flesh is nailed to cross] – Heb. 9:10	“spiritual” [obedience; cannot be nailed to a cross] – Rom. 7:14 “the words ... are spirit ... life” – Jhn. 6:63
“worldly” – Heb. 9:1	“heaven” – Exo. 20:22
“shadow” – Col. 2:17	“light” – Pro. 6:23; Isa. 8:20, 51:4; Psa. 119:105
“against us”, “contrary to us” – Col. 2:14	“the sabbath was made for [the] man” – Mar.2:27; “the first man Adam ... [&] the last Adam [Jesus]” – 1 Cor. 15:45; “the second man is the Lord from Heaven” – 1 Cor. 15:47; “all things were made ... for him [Jesus]” – Col. 1:16 “Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid” – Gal. 3:21
“to come” [future] – Col. 2:16; Eph. 2:17; Heb. 9:11, 10:1	“Remember” [memorial, past] – Exo. 20:8

Paul reveals Jesus Christ died (Col. 2:12), by Crucifixion (Col. 2:14),
to forgive us our sins (Col. 2:11-13).

“hand of Moses”: Lev. 8:36, 10:11, 26:46; Num. 4:37,45,49, 9:23, 10:13, 15:23, 16:40, 27:23, 36:13; Jos. 14:2, 20:2, 21:2,8, 22:9; Jdg. 3:4; 1 Kin. 8:53,56; 2 Chr. 33:8, 35:6 (“ordinance”, Num. 9:12; Eze. 43:18); Neh. 9:14 KJB

Col. 2:16 [Paul] is citing Psa. 98:1-3 & Eze. 45:17, following the main pattern set in Num. 28-29:

Lev. 23:1-44, 25:1-22; Num. 28:1-31; 1 Chr. 23:31; 2 Chr. 2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Neh. 10:33; Isa. 1:13-14 (Isa. unique, a parallelism within itself); Eze. 45:17, 46:1-11; Hos. 2:11, and see also Gal. 4:10; Col. 2:16.

[1.] Daily [continual]	Num. 28:1-8, “continual”, “day by day” the daily offerings of the "meat" (grain; Lev. 2:1) and "drink" offerings.	Eze. 45:17 Meat (grain) & drink offerings (Lev. 2:4)	Col. 2:16 Meat (grain) & drink [offerings]	Isa. 1:13-14 oblations, incense	Hos. 2:11 her mirth, (Neh. 8:12)	Gal. 4:10 days
[2.] Weekly [never last]	Num. 28:9-10 KJB, is the “every sabbath” on “the sabbath day” [weekly offerings] It states “the sabbath day”, and “every sabbath”, literally “sabbath to sabbath” [Num. 28:10 HOT Translit. - shaBat B'shaBaTô, see also Isa. 66:23 HOT Translit. - shaBät B'shaBaTô] The weekly sabbath is not in Eze. 45:17; Col. 2:16; Isa. 1:13-14; Hos. 2:11; Gal. 4:10.
[3.] Monthly [or seasons]	Num. 28:11-15, is the “beginnings of your months”, “every month” [offerings]	Eze. 45:17 new moons	Col. 2:16 new moon	Isa. 1:13-14 Your new moons	Hos. 2:11 her new moons	Gal. 4:10 months
[4.] Seasonal [or Month]	Num. 28:16-25, 26-31, 29:1-6, 7-11, 12-40 ‘feasts’	Eze. 45:17 feasts	Col. 2:16 an holy day	Isa. 1:13-14 appointed feasts	Hos. 2:11 her feast days	Gal. 4:10 times, αιρους
[5.] Yearly [of Years]	Num. 28:16-31, 29:1-40 [Lev. 23 & 25] the yearly sabbaths & offerings of it	Eze. 45:17 in the sabbaths	Col. 2:16 sabbath [days]	Isa. 1:13-14 sabbaths, appointed feasts	Hos. 2:11 her sabbaths	Gal. 4:10 years

Eze. 45, Col. 2, Eph. 2, Heb. 9-10 KJB language comparison

Eze. 33:10 – “our sins ... we pine away ... how should we then live?”
Col. 2:13 – “you, being dead in your sins ... hath he quickened together with him [Jesus]”
Eph. 2:5 – “we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ”

Eze. 43:11,18, 44:5, 45:14, 46:14 – “ordinance”
Col. 2:14 – “ordinances”
Eph. 2:15 – “in ordinances”
Heb. 9:1 – “ordinances of divine service”
Heb. 9:10 – “carnal ordinances”

Eze. 45:17 – “meat offerings, drink offerings”
Col. 2:16 – “in meat, or in drink” [offerings]
Heb. 9:10 – “meats and drinks” [offerings]

Eze. 45:17 – “feasts, ... new moons ... sabbaths”
Col. 2:16 – “an holyday ... new moon ... sabbath [days]”

Col. 2:12 – “also ye are risen with him”
Eph. 2:6 – “raised us up together”

Col. 2:16 – “a shadow of things to come”
Eph. 2:7 – “in the ages to come”
Heb. 9:11 – “of good things to come”
Heb. 10:1 – “the law having a shadow of good things to come”, “those sacrifices”, “offered year by year”

Col. 2:2 – “riches”
Col. 2:3 – “treasures”
Eph. 2:7 – “riches”

Col. 2:11 – “of the flesh”
Col. 2:13 – “flesh”
Eph. 2:3 – “flesh ... the flesh”
Eph. 2:11 – “in the flesh”
Eph. 2:15 – “in his flesh”
Heb. 9:13 – “flesh”
Heb. 10:20 – “his flesh”

Col. 2:14 – “the handwriting of ordinances”
Eph. 2:15 – “the law of commandments contained in ordinances”
Heb. 9:19 – “Moses ... to the law ... blood ... book”
Heb. 9:22 – “by the law ... with blood”

Col. 2:11 – “putting off the body of the sins”
Heb. 9:26 – “put away sin”
Heb. 10:4 – “take away sins”
Heb. 10:9 – “He taketh away the first”

Heb. 9:9 – “was a figure”
Heb. 9:23 – “the patterns”
Heb. 9:24 – “the figures”
Heb. 10:1 – “not the very image of the things”

Additional voices from a range of Christianity:

Albert Barnes [Presbyterian]:

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Colossians 2 - Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Adam Clarke [Methodist]:

“... There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Colossians 2 - Clarke's Commentary - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown [theologians]:

“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10).” - A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments

Justin Edwards [Congregationalist]:

“... A holy-day-sabbath-days; in the original, a festival-sabbaths. The days referred to are those required to be observed in the ceremonial law-days associated by God with meats, drinks, and new moons. The passage does not refer to the Sabbath of the moral law, associated with the commands forbidding theft, murder, and adultery. This weekly Sabbath was never against men or contrary to them, but was always for them, and promotive of their highest good. The observance of it caused them to ride upon the high places of the earth, and to possess the heritage of God’s people. Isaiah 58:13-14; Jeremiah 17:21-27. ...” - The Family Bible ...

Blueprints · Sunday at 7:32 PM

S.O.J.I.A. said:
... If you agree the new moon is the first day of the month than 8/15/22/29 Sabbaths stand.

No. I agreed that the new moon is always the first day of the "month", not "week". "months" and "weeks" are on differing calendations. The word "month" comes from the word "moon" - Month - Etymology, Origin & Meaning

The "week" begins in Genesis before there ever existed the "lesser light" or "moon". The 7th day is calendated from the first day, when the light of Christ Jesus (2 Cor. 4:4-6) shown forth by command of the Father.

Once in a while the beginning of the "month", such as Abib, coincide with the "week", as the linked material showed - The 7th Day The Sabbath - The Rest Of His Eternal Story (by Aaron Earnest) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

1st Month – Abib

1st (day)	2nd (day)	3rd (day)	4th (day)	5th (day)	6th (day)	7th (day / Sabbath)
						1
2	3	4	5	6	7	8
9	10	11	12	13	14	15
16	17	18	19	20	21	22
23	24	25	26	27	28	29
30

However, when the next "month", such as "Zif", comes, then the calendation differences of "months" and "weeks" are witnessed:

2nd Month – Zif

'Lunar Sabbatarian' calendation doesn't work - The 7th Day The Sabbath - The Rest Of His Eternal Story (by Aaron Earnest) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Think of the "months" and "weeks" like "hours" and "minutes" on a clock. Once in while they will align together, but most times do not.

2nd (day)

7th (day, Sabbath)