Is this why God put "Rules" in place for mankind?

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The PC(USA) has permitted the ordination of openly gay clergy since 2011 and redefined marriage as between “two people” in 2014. The new measure does not address sexual orientation or same-sex unions but focuses on multipartner relationships, citing risks of “power imbalances, emotional harm, and spiritual confusion,” especially for women, children, and marginalized groups.

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I suppose that in multi-partner situations there can be jealousy and competition. And children can be treated differently because of who each one's mother is. But that could mean people don't know how to love; the "multi" part, then, would not be the main problem . . . though it is un-Biblical, to my knowledge.

After all . . . if we are in Jesus and know how to relate in His love . . . we can share with various other people, without comparing and competing.

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" Jesus says in Matthew 5:46.

And being closely involved with a variety of other people, then, can be an opportunity to get real correction so we are able to love >

"without complaining and disputing" (in Philippians 2:14)

However . . . while any of us is doing something wrong . . . we are in deep weakness so we can give in to various emotional trouble and stress; so our real problem is not our social situation, but how our own **character** is. But as we discover how God has us loving, now we are in His love with His power almighty to guard us against any and all anti-love, anti-peace, anti-joy stuff > as we become all-loving and unconditional in love >

"And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved." (2 Corinthians 12:15)

So - - there is no right way to do a wrong thing.

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Progressive elements within the church have mounted a strong challenge. Three official advisory committees—the Advisory Committee on Social Witness Policy, the Advocacy Committee for Women and Gender Justice, and the Advocacy Committee on LGBTQIA+ Equity—have voiced strong objections.

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There are people who want multi-partner stuff. So, I see how they would not want to have a one-partner "marriage" thing. I have been told there are gays, then, who do not want "gay marriage" if laws for this require staying faithful to one other person.

In Romans 1:18-32 . . . to me, this seems to be saying that certain people in their wrong stuff are there as a **punishment**!! > "receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due," our Apostle Pau says. So, they are not only wrong, but in a trap. And it all started with how they were not "thankful" and putting God first. So, just by not being thankful, already a person is in trouble, - - even if someone might behave in some "right" sexual way. We are all called to live in submission to God in His peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

So, a basic of Christian living is to stay "thankful". But ones might rather spend their time pointing their finger at worldly people, rather than deal with how we ourselves are not living and loving the way God desires >

"without complaining and disputing" (in Philippians 2:14)

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

"with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," (Ephesians 4:2)

"submitting to one another in the fear of God." (Ephesians 5:21)

"swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God." (in James 1:19-20)

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

"'And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.'" (Mark 11:25)

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

And in prayer "for" all people > here is what Paul says to do "first of all" > 1 Timothy 2:1-4 > have hope for all people to discover how to love > love "hopes all things" > in 1 Corinthians 13:7. God uses our prayer and example and obedience so we can help anyone discover how we can love in Jesus.

Christ's Bride said:

According to a report from Fox News, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) is confronting significant internal opposition ahead of a pivotal vote on a measure requiring its ordained clergy to practice monogamy in sexual relationships.
one million members and 8000 congregations

The denomination, known for its progressive stances, will consider the proposal, known as CON-10, at its General Assembly this summer in Milwaukee.

Submitted by the Sierra Blanca Presbytery, the rule seeks to mandate that pastors “display moral character” and, if engaged in any sexual relationship, live in a monogamous one. It also calls for the development of pastoral resources to support those exiting polyamorous or polygamous situations.


The PC(USA) has permitted the ordination of openly gay clergy since 2011 and redefined marriage as between “two people” in 2014. The new measure does not address sexual orientation or same-sex unions but focuses on multipartner relationships, citing risks of “power imbalances, emotional harm, and spiritual confusion,” especially for women, children, and marginalized groups.

Progressive elements within the church have mounted a strong challenge. Three official advisory committees—the Advisory Committee on Social Witness Policy, the Advocacy Committee for Women and Gender Justice, and the Advocacy Committee on LGBTQIA+ Equity—have voiced strong objections.

The Advocacy Committee for Women and Gender Justice warned that the mandate risks “regulate[ing] the private lives and relational structures of individuals in ways that risk harm rather than healing,” potentially reinforcing “systems of shame, silence, and spiritual coercion.”

The LGBTQIA+ Equity committee argued the rule imposes “a narrow, culturally specific understanding of family” that privileges dominant cultural frameworks over communities of color and global Christians.

More Light Presbyterians, a leading progressive group, has actively lobbied against the proposal. Last month, the organization hosted a “Faithful Polyamory 101” training session and issued a statement criticizing the measure for centering “a single model of relationship as the only faithful expression of Christian life,” claiming it would push the denomination “backward.”

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It is obvious that certain factions in some denominations have " fallen away". They are now secular believers. Jesus Christ of Nazareth directly called them out.

"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." — Matthew 6:24

"But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam... to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality."
Revelation 2:14

Christ's Bride said:

According to a report from Fox News, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) is confronting significant internal opposition ahead of a pivotal vote on a measure requiring its ordained clergy to practice monogamy in sexual relationships.
one million members and 8000 congregations

The denomination, known for its progressive stances, will consider the proposal, known as CON-10, at its General Assembly this summer in Milwaukee.

Submitted by the Sierra Blanca Presbytery, the rule seeks to mandate that pastors “display moral character” and, if engaged in any sexual relationship, live in a monogamous one. It also calls for the development of pastoral resources to support those exiting polyamorous or polygamous situations.


The PC(USA) has permitted the ordination of openly gay clergy since 2011 and redefined marriage as between “two people” in 2014. The new measure does not address sexual orientation or same-sex unions but focuses on multipartner relationships, citing risks of “power imbalances, emotional harm, and spiritual confusion,” especially for women, children, and marginalized groups.

Progressive elements within the church have mounted a strong challenge. Three official advisory committees—the Advisory Committee on Social Witness Policy, the Advocacy Committee for Women and Gender Justice, and the Advocacy Committee on LGBTQIA+ Equity—have voiced strong objections.

The Advocacy Committee for Women and Gender Justice warned that the mandate risks “regulate[ing] the private lives and relational structures of individuals in ways that risk harm rather than healing,” potentially reinforcing “systems of shame, silence, and spiritual coercion.”

The LGBTQIA+ Equity committee argued the rule imposes “a narrow, culturally specific understanding of family” that privileges dominant cultural frameworks over communities of color and global Christians.

More Light Presbyterians, a leading progressive group, has actively lobbied against the proposal. Last month, the organization hosted a “Faithful Polyamory 101” training session and issued a statement criticizing the measure for centering “a single model of relationship as the only faithful expression of Christian life,” claiming it would push the denomination “backward.”

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I guess the words of Paul about the qualifications for an overseer mean nothing to these people.

“An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, skillful in teaching, not overindulging in wine, not a bully, but gentle, not contentious, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭2‬-‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 7:13-14 “Go in through the narrow gate; for the gate that leads to destruction is wide and the road broad, and many travel it; 14 but it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

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The word for "narrow" is stenos in Greek means narrow, tight, or difficult to travel. There are approximately 2.6 billion Christians in the world out of 8.3 billion, which means 31% of the worlds population is made up of self-professed Christians (approximately).

Now for comparison, the word "broad" in Greek is plateia which was also the word the Greeks used for a town square or a main city street. In modern days for our metropolitan grids, our main streets can have 8 or more lanes of traffic to give you an idea. So in ancient times, a plateia was so large, it served as a gathering place for social meetings, commerce, and celebrations.

Now, lets go back to the world population vs Christians. 31% is no where near "narrow" in the way the definition of the word is. 31% of an 8 lane road is 2.48. That means 2 and a half lanes would be open. That's not "difficult to travel". And the thing is, "few" even FIND the road in the first place! The word for few is oligos. This word is used CONSTANTLY by Jesus.

• Mat 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”
• Mat 9:37 Then He said to His disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few.

And to give more of an idea, it's the same word used in this:

• Mat 15:34 And Jesus *said to them, “How many loaves do you have?” And they said, “Seven, and a few small fish.”

But when you go to Mark, how many fish were there?

• Mark 6:38 He asked them, “How many loaves do you have? Go and check.” When they had found out, they said, “Five. And two fish.”

That's a pretty small number.... So my point is that based on scripture, the majority of 2.6 billion Christians, will fall into this camp:

• Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, only those who do what my Father in heaven wants. 22 On that Day, many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord! Didn’t we prophesy in your name? Didn’t we expel demons in your name? Didn’t we perform many miracles in your name?’ 23 Then I will tell them to their faces, ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’

"Lawlessness".... and what is lawlessness?

• 1 John 3:4: "Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness."

But this isn't people who mess up and sin, as we all sin and fall short of the glory of God. But the key word here is "workers" which is the greek word ergazomai. Which means its a continuous engagement in labor or the active process of producing something. So in essence... people who are actively engaged in, practicing, and continually producing lawlessness as a pattern of life or someone whose conduct is characterized by an ongoing involvement in sin. So again, it's not sin as an occasional stumble, but as something a person is habitually occupied with, pursuing, and putting out through their actions.

So long story short... people who use "grace" as a means to have no rules, will not be going to heaven. Which by the way, people who use grace as a means to have zero rules, is exactly what in Hebrews says is "trampling the Son of God" (chapter 10 verse 29).

Christ's Bride said:

1,000,000 "christians" have had no problem with this since 2011 and 2014??

God is not divided--God IS ONE

with-in this one "division", one of the tens of thousands of divisions, there is more division. Not all one million agree on any thing except " Grace".

Presbyterians are followers of the doctrine of grace.
In fact, the doctrine of grace alone (sola gratia) is a foundational pillar of their faith

Grace -- no rules

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I'm not a Presbyterian; but, whilst salvation is by grace alone, through faith in Christ alone, to the Glory of God alone, there are definitely rules, and I know that godly Presbyterians affirm that there are rules.

Christ's Bride said:

According to a report from Fox News, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) is confronting significant internal opposition ahead of a pivotal vote on a measure requiring its ordained clergy to practice monogamy in sexual relationships.
one million members and 8000 congregations

The denomination, known for its progressive stances, will consider the proposal, known as CON-10, at its General Assembly this summer in Milwaukee.

Submitted by the Sierra Blanca Presbytery, the rule seeks to mandate that pastors “display moral character” and, if engaged in any sexual relationship, live in a monogamous one. It also calls for the development of pastoral resources to support those exiting polyamorous or polygamous situations.


The PC(USA) has permitted the ordination of openly gay clergy since 2011 and redefined marriage as between “two people” in 2014. The new measure does not address sexual orientation or same-sex unions but focuses on multipartner relationships, citing risks of “power imbalances, emotional harm, and spiritual confusion,” especially for women, children, and marginalized groups.

Progressive elements within the church have mounted a strong challenge. Three official advisory committees—the Advisory Committee on Social Witness Policy, the Advocacy Committee for Women and Gender Justice, and the Advocacy Committee on LGBTQIA+ Equity—have voiced strong objections.

The Advocacy Committee for Women and Gender Justice warned that the mandate risks “regulate[ing] the private lives and relational structures of individuals in ways that risk harm rather than healing,” potentially reinforcing “systems of shame, silence, and spiritual coercion.”

The LGBTQIA+ Equity committee argued the rule imposes “a narrow, culturally specific understanding of family” that privileges dominant cultural frameworks over communities of color and global Christians.

More Light Presbyterians, a leading progressive group, has actively lobbied against the proposal. Last month, the organization hosted a “Faithful Polyamory 101” training session and issued a statement criticizing the measure for centering “a single model of relationship as the only faithful expression of Christian life,” claiming it would push the denomination “backward.”

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It sounds like that denomination has become incompatible with biblical Christianity. Not only is monogamy within marriage (one man and one woman) essential; but, sexual relationships outwith marriage are seriously sinful and need to be repented of, not condoned!

“This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2‬:‭24‬ ‭NLT‬‬

How many times, in how many different ways, should the Word express oneness before we see the pattern?

Christ's Bride said:

Presbyterians are followers of the doctrine of grace.
In fact, the doctrine of grace alone (sola gratia) is a foundational pillar of their faith

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I would say not all presbytarians have the same understanding of grace.

But ones might have highjacked the presbyterian reputation and changed its meaning.

To me, it is very clear how God does destine people, plus God has rules for us. His grace works to change a person to trust in Jesus and His grace has us obeying His rules . . . including about marriage, yes.

Christ's Bride said:

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so I assume you are a follower of Grace -- no rules

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Well . . . in my comments, I do not think I said grace means no rules. I referred to, among others > the rule >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14)

And this rule is needed in an obedient marriage.