Does The "Weekly Sunday Services in NT" suggestion survive Acts 13? No?

BobRyan said:

secular topics are not appropriate for sanctified set apart time.

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Isn't that the truth? Do you suppose that was a big reason God got fed up with the Israelites because they spent the day talking about secular happenings? Are those that believe in keeping the Old Covenant weekly Sabbath any better with keeping it sacred? We sure were not when I was tried to observe the day.

BobRyan said:

It would be like inserting a how to segment on auto mechanics in the middle of a sermon

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I heard many sermons that contained secular topics when I was SDA. Has that changed?

BobRyan said:

Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

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I don't think the word stumbling means stop us from falling down. It means sinning. Is anyone without sin? How about those Sabbath conversations and thoughts? Jesus shed blood is able to present us white as snow to the Father.

BobRyan said:

1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.

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BobRyan said:

True. The moral law of God includes more than just "The TEN"

But God only placed the TEN inside the ark "He spoke the ten and added no more " Deut 5:22

So then when speaking of the moral law of God (that law that defines what sin is as we see in Rom 3:19 and 1 John 3:7 and Rom 7 and James 2 and ...) the TEN are most certainly included which is how we get to a statement like Eph 6:1-2

True. It is more than just the Ten

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Right, that is why God says in respect to the New Covenant that He will take away our hearts of stone and give us hearts of flesh with a new Spirit and cause us to walk in statutes in Ezek 36:26.

And in Deut 30:10-14 He says that His word is in our hearts, through the hearkening unto His voice to keep His commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law that we do it.

And Why the mentioning of the New Covenant in Jer 31 it says Law not commandments. Because it is the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law that proclaim His Spirit not just the commandments.

God was not done speaking on Mt Sinia my friend. The people cried out because of their hearts of stone for Him to stop least they die. So, God in memorial to that placed the Ten that He spoke on stone but intended for the writing of them and so much more to be on their hearts.

Not much has changed, stiff necked and hard hearted to this day are most refusing His Spirit.

People in the SDA church to which I am a member share that it was the Ten that God wrote on our hearts in respect to the New Covenant and then mention the health laws and others which where brought out here. We need to stop. That begets confusion.

It says Law not commandments. And what is interesting is the word law in Hebrew, Torah gives us a picture of something poured upon us like rain. In that is seen His Spirit, the former and latter rain. So we are without excuse.

BobRyan said:

In the mean time ... this thread is about the impact that the actual details in Acts 13 have on the idea that the Christian church had a custom of weekly Sunday services after the resurrection.

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They met and worshipped every day and held all things in common.

Sunday is not mentioned in Scripture as a special day of worship though. But the Sabbath is.

Capbook2 said:

I believe God's Laws were those fingerwritten by Him. (2 Cor 3:3,7)

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He did but those verses are speaking of His Spirit and does not limit the Commandments that were written on stone to be that which is placed in our hearts. We are given His Spirit that we walk in His Commandments and statutes, all His Way. Not just that which was written on stone. All righteousness.

HIM said:

God's Law would include His statutes, ordinances and His Commandments.

If it were just the Decalogue written on our hearts then it would be okay for you to marry your sister or brother, eat unclean animals, not love your enemies, lay with beasts, not take care of your waste properly, not be mindful of the word of God all the time, not teach it to our children and so forth.

Why do I say that?

Because no where in the Decalogue are those statutes, commandments mentioned. Not even remotely.

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Capbook2 said:

In the Ten Commandments, it incorporate our love to God and neighbors.
If we have a relationship with God, means we have a relationship with "love" as God is love. (1John 4:8)
And loving our neighbors, second part of the Ten, a compliance to God/love, the first part of the Ten.
Jesus said, if we love Him we should do His Commandments, and doing so is good works. (Eph 2:10)
Knowing that unclean animals is not food, why eat?
If we consider it as food, who said so? God never did explicitly.

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Amen but None of that answers which was shown you.

If it was just the Ten God placed on the heart in respect to the New Covenant, we can not be held accountable for marrying our sisters and having children. Fornicating if we are not married. Eating unclean animals. Being slothful and so forth.


That is why God says in respect to the New Covenant that He will take away our hearts of stone and give us hearts of flesh with a new Spirit and cause us to walk in statutes in Ezek 36:26.

And in Deut 30:10-14 He says that His word is in our hearts, through the hearkening unto His voice to keep His commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law that we do it.

And Why the mentioning of the New Covenant in Jer 31 it says Law not commandments. Because it is the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law that proclaim His Spirit not just the commandments.

God was not done speaking on Mt Sinia my friend. The people cried out because of their hearts of stone for Him to stop least they die. So, God in memorial to that placed the Ten that He spoke on stone but intended for the writing of them and so much more to be on their hearts.

Not much has changed, stiff necked and hard hearted to this day are most refusing His Spirit.

People in the SDA church to which I am a member share that it was the Ten that God wrote on our hearts in respect to the New Covenant and then mention the health laws and others which where brought out here. We need to stop. That begets confusion.

It says Law not commandments. And what is interesting is the word law in Hebrew, Torah gives us a picture of something poured upon us like rain. In that is seen His Spirit, the former and latter rain. So we are without excuse.

Confusion is when someone comes into a denomination that has set standards of beliefs and tries to change them and claims members who hold to those beliefs are wrong, that they themself agreed to when becoming a member.

19. The Law of God​

The great principles of God’s law are embodied in the Ten Commandments and exemplified in the life of Christ. They express God’s love, will, and purposes concerning human conduct and relationships and are binding upon all people in every age.
These precepts are the basis of God’s covenant with His people and the standard in God’s judgment. Through the agency of the Holy Spirit they point out sin and awaken a sense of need for a Saviour.
Salvation is all of grace and not of works, and its fruit is obedience to the Commandments.
This obedience develops Christian character and results in a sense of well-being. It is evidence of our love for the Lord and our concern for our fellow human beings. The obedience of faith demonstrates the power of Christ to transform lives, and therefore strengthens Christian witness.
(Exod. 20:1-17; Deut. 28:1-14; Ps. 19:7-14; 40:7, 8; Matt. 5:17-20; 22:36-40; John 14:15; 15:7-10; Rom. 8:3, 4; Eph. 2:8-10; Heb. 8:8-10; 1 John 2:3; 5:3; Rev. 12:17; 14:12.)

The Ten Commandments is what embodies love. Exo20:6 How to love God, how to love man- God wrote them Himself, nothing is missing Deut5:22 Jer 7:22-23 as if God needed to wait until Moses to come around to give His standard of righteousness when His is everlasting Psa 119:142 Psa 119:172 , the foundation of His throne Psa 89:14 established way before Moses. If one was truly keeping the very first commandment, nothing God asks would be violated. Why only the Ten Commandments are under His mercy seat Exo25:21 nothing more was added. Deut 5:22 They are very broad Psa 119:96 just as Jesus demonstrated Mat5:19-30

Happy Sabbath all!

SabbathBlessings said:

Confusion is when someone comes into a denomination that has set standards of beliefs and tries to change them and claims members who hold to those beliefs are wrong, that they themself agreed to when becoming a member.

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The issue is the fact that you can't answer these points DIRECTLY and continue putting forward what you do. Cut and paste, cut and paste. He said, she said, they said.

Read and answer what is being said and stop speaking over it. At no time in any SDA church that I have shared this has it been rejected. And I can think of four off hand.

And I am still waiting on the Conference in which you said you were going to call, to tell me to stop.


God says in respect to the New Covenant that He will take away our hearts of stone and give us hearts of flesh with a new Spirit and cause us to walk in statutes in Ezek 36:26. Not just the Ten, His Spirit and a new heart.

And in Deut 30:10-14 He says that His word is in our hearts, through the hearkening unto His voice to keep His commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law that we do it. Not JUST the Ten , the word, His voice and hearkening unto it to keep His commandments and statutes.

And Why the mentioning of the New Covenant in Jer 31 it says Law not commandments. Because it is the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law that proclaim His Spirit not just the ten commandments, His law.

God was not done speaking on Mt Sinia my friend. The people cried out because of their hearts of stone for Him to stop least they die. So, God in memorial to that placed the Ten that He spoke on stone but intended for the writing of them and so much more to be on their hearts.

Not much has changed, stiff necked and hard hearted to this day are most refusing His Spirit.

People in the SDA church to which I am a member share that it was the Ten that God wrote on our hearts in respect to the New Covenant and then mention the health laws and others which where brought out here. We need to stop. That begets confusion.

It says Law not commandments. And what is interesting is the word law in Hebrew, Torah gives us a picture of something poured upon us like rain. In that is seen His Spirit, the former and latter rain. So we are without excuse.

HIM said:

The issue is the fact that you can't answer these points DIRECTLY and continue putting forward what you do. Cut and paste, cut and paste. He said, she said, they said.

Read and answer what is being said and stop speaking over it. At no time in any SDA church that I have shared this has it been rejected. And I can think of four off hand.

And I am still waiting on the Conference in which you said you were going to call, to tell me to stop.


God says in respect to the New Covenant that He will take away our hearts of stone and give us hearts of flesh with a new Spirit and cause us to walk in statutes in Ezek 36:26. Not just the Ten, His Spirit and a new heart.

And in Deut 30:10-14 He says that His word is in our hearts, through the hearkening unto His voice to keep His commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law that we do it. Not JUST the Ten , the word, His voice and hearkening unto it to keep His commandments and statutes.

And Why the mentioning of the New Covenant in Jer 31 it says Law not commandments. Because it is the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law that proclaim His Spirit not just the ten commandments, His law.

God was not done speaking on Mt Sinia my friend. The people cried out because of their hearts of stone for Him to stop least they die. So, God in memorial to that placed the Ten that He spoke on stone but intended for the writing of them and so much more to be on their hearts.

Not much has changed, stiff necked and hard hearted to this day are most refusing His Spirit.

People in the SDA church to which I am a member share that it was the Ten that God wrote on our hearts in respect to the New Covenant and then mention the health laws and others which where brought out here. We need to stop. That begets confusion.

It says Law not commandments. And what is interesting is the word law in Hebrew, Torah gives us a picture of something poured upon us like rain. In that is seen His Spirit, the former and latter rain. So we are without excuse.

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Trying to change established beliefs while in the same breath agreeing to those established beliefs and not seeing anything wrong with this, well that is above my pay grade. There is nothing in the SDA fundemental beliefs about the book or any other law elevated being above or equal to the Ten Commandments written by God alone. Nothing about anything written on parchment. Neither does Jer 31:33 Heb8:10 2Cor3:3 Parchment fades, what God does is forever Ecc3:14 why He wrote it one stone- why people use this phase even today- its written on stone- permanent.

To claim God added more to what He spoke to the people when He plainly said He did not, that again is above my pay grade.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

What God spoke is what He wrote, the Ten Commandments and He added no more.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Everything else was what Moses spoke to the people and was written in a book on paper besides the ark as a witness against thee.

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

Law is a generic term, it can mean the Ten Commandments or it can mean what came from the book that Moses wrote, the context will tell us. I am sure this was shared to you before so what you seem to point at other as not being addressed is not actually true.

Paul gives a clear example that the law can mean the Ten Commandments because what is the only law he speaks of here? Is thou shalt not covet not a commandment of God written by God’s own finger that He claimed as a unit as My commandments Exo20:6

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.

This cannot be more clear in our Bibles. I am ok agreeing to disagree but I wish you would prayerfully consider not condemning SDA’s for beliving what God said and is in our belifs, while in the same breath claiming to be one. This is what adds confusion and discord.

SabbathBlessings said:

Trying to change established beliefs while in the same breath agreeing to those established beliefs and not seeing anything wrong with this, well that is above my pay grade. There is nothing in the SDA fundemental beliefs about the book or any other law elevated being above or equal to the Ten Commandments written by God alone. Nothing about anything written on parchment.

To claim God added more to what He spoke to the people when He plainly said He did not, that again is above my pay grade.

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

What God spoke is what He wrote, the Ten Commandments and He added no more.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Everything else was what Moses spoke to the people and was written in a book on paper besides the ark as a witness against thee.

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

This cannot be more clear in our Bibles.

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None of which addresses the fact that God give us His Spirit to create in us a new heart not just the Ten commandments.

Nor does it address the fact that God said He would put His Law in our hearts not just the Ten Commandments.

And once again He said He would put His Word in our hearts not Just the Ten Commandments.

Keep in mind though, it is His Spirit that He gives us, which entails way more than the sheer volume of the book you and I love.

It is Best to go with what is written in it's given context, a thus saith the Lord as it is written within the text in which it is written rather than quote mining to build a doctrine.

HIM said:

None of which addresses the fact that God give us His Spirit to create in us a new heart not just the Ten commandments.

Nor does it address the fact that God said He would put His Law in our hearts not just the Ten Commandments.

And once again He said He would put His Word in our hearts not Just the Ten Commandments.

Keep in mind though, it is His Spirit that He gives us, which entails way more than the sheer volume of the book you and I love.

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Paul gives a clear example that the law can mean the Ten Commandments because what is the only law he speaks of here? Is thou shalt not covet not a commandment of God written by God’s own finger that He claimed as a unit of Ten Deut4:13 as My commandments Exo20:6

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law.For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.

The new heart is that no one is sinning and breaking the law of God, what Jesus came to save us from Mat1:21 that people would fear the LORD and keep His commandments- the full duty of man Ecc 12:13-14 Rev14:6-12

Why this was said after God spoke His law the Ten Commandments Exo20:6

Exo 20:20 And Moses said to the people, “Do not fear; for God has come to test you, and that His fear may be before you, so that you may not sin.”

The book that Moses wrote was only to teach the people how to love God because they failed and broke God’s commandments and was the prescription for sin (breaking God’s commandments Exo20:20 James2:11) until Jesus. Gal3:10-19 If one was keeping the Ten Commandments there would be no sin because its what converts our souls Psa 19:7 no longer on tablets of stone, but tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 through His Spirit 2Cor3:8 John 14:15-18 which is true transformation and was always God’s will Psa 40:8

So if you want to get technical why we see only commandments here for God’s saints (saved), nothing more was added, it perfect for converting the soul and covers way more just as Jesus taught so plainly Mat5:19-30

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

HIM said:

It is Best to go with what is written in it's given context, a thus saith the Lord as it is written within the text in which it is written rather than quote mining to build a doctrine.

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Believing God’s Testimony on what He said it included and what it did not, is now is called ’mining”? It’s what the entire Bible is about John5:39 but yet when it comes to God’s own written and spoken Testimony and call it “mining”. Sorry this is a very sad belief. I know this insult was directed at me, but it’s really not. If one doesn’t understand the OC and what it included Deut4:13 Exo34:28 and what it did not, only what God spoke Deut5:22 Jer7:22-23 will not understand the NC because what changed was not the words Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 but the faulty promises of the people Exo19:8 Heb8:6 so God placed His words Exo34:28 Deut4:13 Deut5:22 on a better location Jer 31:33 Heb8:10 2Cor3:3 based on the better promises of what He does, if we cooperate with Him John14:15-18

HIM said:

He did but those verses are speaking of His Spirit and does not limit the Commandments that were written on stone to be that which is placed in our hearts. We are given His Spirit that we walk in His Commandments and statutes, all His Way. Not just that which was written on stone. All righteousness.

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Here, verses in Romans 13 speaks about "Law (v8,10) and Commandment (v9)" only points to the Ten Commandments and nothing about statutes, when we shall love our neighbors.
That to "love our neighbors" was to not commit adultery, not to murder, not to steal, and not to covet, these all are in the Ten Commandments.
This implied that God's Laws in Hebrew 8, put on His people's mind and written their heart by God/Spirit as the new covenant refers to the Ten Commandments.

Notice, Ezekiel 36:26,27 speaks about the guidance of the Spirit but nothing about the Law written in their heart, only the Spirit's guidance to cause us to walk in God's statutes and ordinances.

Rom 13:8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Eze 36:26 "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.