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Have you got personal opinions and private interpretations of the holy scriptures for which you feel pride?

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I can affirm that while private reading of Scripture is a beautiful and necessary part of a Christian’s life, the Church cautions against treating one’s personal interpretation as self‑sufficient or authoritative, because the Bible was entrusted to the Church as a whole and must be read within the living Sacred Tradition that gave it birth. The Church encourages every believer to meditate on the Word of God in their own home but also teaches—following Dei Verbum 10 and the Catechism 113–119—that Scripture cannot be rightly understood when detached from the faith of the Church, the rule of faith, and the Magisterium that safeguards its authentic meaning. For that reason, when someone’s private interpretation contradicts the Church’s constant teaching, the Catholic response is not discomfort with Scripture itself but confidence that Christ established a visible community, guided by the Holy Spirit, to preserve the unity of truth and prevent the fragmentation that arises when individuals elevate their own opinions above the apostolic faith.
 
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If I had a personal opinion regarding Scripture that I was proud of, I would be worried about that.

When it comes to theologoumemna, as we Orthodox call theological opinions that are permissable on areas where doctrine has not been established, which I believe corresponds approximately to the Lutheran idea of Adiaphora, or to disputed points of Scripture which Roman Catholics call “Quaestiones Disputae”, I believe extreme humility is needed, and obviously in all three cases the use of this approach is strictly limited by Church Doctrine.

For example, a theologoumemnon I hold, with extreme humility, and am ready to be corrected on, that does not to my knowledge contradict any established teaching of the Orthodox Church, is that St. John the Beloved Disciple was the youngest of the Apostles, who were likely around the age of 20 on average, no older, given their profession as fisherman and life expectancy at the time, and I suspect based on our Lord holding him to comfort him during the Last Supper and making him the adoptive son of The Blessed Virgin Mary on the Cross, that he was likely somewhere between 12 and 15 years of age, old enough to be regarded as spiritually mature under Second Temple Judaism, but young enough so that the ascension of Christ and the subsequent martyrdom of his brother St. James the Great made such an arrangement ideal both for him and for the Theotokos, to ensure she would be cared for as well; additionally I also agree with the view that in doing that, our Lord was declaring the Theotokos to be the adoptive mother of all the disciples who He loves, that is to say, of the Church as a whole, but that this was done symbolically through the adoption of St. John the Theologian, who in age was the least of the brethren, and also unlike the other ten faithful disciples, St. Matthias and St. Paul, was not martyred but reposed of natural causes.

However I do not regard this opinion as salvific, I am not suggesting it be regarded as doctrinal or dogmatic, nor is it required for salvation, neither do I regard it with any pride whatsoever. If I am mistaken I would instantly accept rebuke from an Orthodox hierarch on the issue.
 
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I have a private opinion regarding Joseph, Chist's stepfather, but I wouldn't express it publicly. It actually came from my Protestant pastor and he wasn't very often wrong. Enough said.

I suppose policies like "Once saved, always saved", "Sola Scriptura" and "KJV only" fall within the ambit of this question, since they do not carry magisterial weight.
 
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I have a private opinion regarding Joseph, Chist's stepfather, but I wouldn't express it publicly. It actually came from my Protestant pastor and he wasn't very often wrong. Enough said.

I suppose policies like "Once saved, always saved", "Sola Scriptura" and "KJV only" fall within the ambit of this question, since they do not carry magisterial weight.
AND having Pride is bad !!

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The specific topic was having pride in a private interpretation or personal opinion about Scripture, not pride in general.

I think most, if not all Christians would agree that "Pride is bad!!".


... it helps to remember that Pride has been regarded by most Christian thinkers as the deadliest of all vices. “Pride is the first sin, the source of all other sins, and the worst sin,” says Thomas Aquinas succinctly, and many other authorities agree.
 
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AND having Pride is bad !!

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Precisely this! Isn’t it mischievous how the Devil has changed our language so subtly that he’s been able to convince almost everyone I know that Pride isn’t a sin, that it’s even comparable to virtue, like dignity & honor. I have personally committed myself to removing that word from my vocabulary when expressing approval or anything good. I do not mean to offend OP, but once you’ve had revelation with conviction, there’s no turning back. Pride biblically, every time, in every context, without exception, is sin. What precedes the downfall? Ask Satan.
 
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Precisely this! Isn’t it mischievous how the Devil has changed our language so subtly that he’s been able to convince almost everyone I know that Pride isn’t a sin, that it’s even comparable to virtue, like dignity & honor. I have personally committed myself to removing that word from my vocabulary when expressing approval or anything good. I do not mean to offend OP, but once you’ve had revelation with conviction, there’s no turning back. Pride biblically, every time, in every context, without exception, is sin. What precedes the downfall? Ask Satan.

I didn’t see anything in the OP’s post that suggested pride is a good thing. Indeed the Roman Catholic Church classifies it as one of the seven deadly sins along with lust, envy, wrath, sloth, gluttony and greed. Even before Christianity pride was understood to be dangerous - the tragedies of ancient Greece almost invariably involved a character having the fault of hubris, which led to the tragedy.

For this reason Pride Month and the contemporary obsession with self-esteem are particularly pernicious and dangerous. A character like Poo-bah from The Mikado is less likely to be seen as comically flawed to an absurd degree and more likely to be reinterpreted as “fabulous,” which is deeply disturbing.
 
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I didn’t see anything in the OP’s post that suggested pride is a good thing. Indeed the Roman Catholic Church classifies it as one of the seven deadly sins along with lust, envy, wrath, sloth, gluttony and greed.
I was affirming a brother & finding joy in his revelation; please keep me contextualized. God bless.
 
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When I was younger I'd be pleased when it turned out a thought or opinion I had was found in scripture. It was an indication to me that whatever had formulated in my mind was probably through the Holy Spirit.

But none of those were special unique revelations. Just what's found in standard theology which I hadn't formerly learned yet.
 

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I can affirm that while private reading of Scripture is a beautiful and necessary part of a Christian’s life, the Church cautions against treating one’s personal interpretation as self‑sufficient or authoritative, because the Bible was entrusted to the Church as a whole and must be read within the living Sacred Tradition that gave it birth. The Church encourages every believer to meditate on the Word of God in their own home but also teaches—following Dei Verbum 10 and the Catechism 113–119—that Scripture cannot be rightly understood when detached from the faith of the Church, the rule of faith, and the Magisterium that safeguards its authentic meaning. For that reason, when someone’s private interpretation contradicts the Church’s constant teaching, the Catholic response is not discomfort with Scripture itself but confidence that Christ established a visible community, guided by the Holy Spirit, to preserve the unity of truth and prevent the fragmentation that arises when individuals elevate their own opinions above the apostolic faith.
Personally first and foremost I prefer to go with theology that's firmly taught in scripture.
 
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But none of those were special unique revelations. Just what's found in standard theology which I hadn't formerly learned yet.

All revelation is to be treated as precious, it is the truth after all. Scripture never treats revelation as ordinary, even when it is not spectacular. You are correct though, if your thoughts had been unique, they might have been in error. The Spirit always leads into what God has already spoken, not into novelty. So rejoice brother! Your formal understanding is a glory to God!
 

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Personally first and foremost I prefer to go with theology that's firmly taught in scripture.

The value of Patristics, the Creed and of the Apostolic Tradition (much of which is not disputed between Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, Assyrians, Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, Moravians, Old Catholic, Continental Reformed, Presbyterian, Methodists and other Christians) is that it protects against certain incorrect interpretations which depend upon eisegesis and erroneous readings of Scripture. Now clearly, the correct reading of Scriptural is the most Scriptural, but in some cases, we have examples where a text has multiple possible interpretations, but the Church Fathers, the Ecumenical Councils and preceding generations of Christians uniformly favored one of those interpretations as a matter of doctrine. So while it is true that Karl Barth was able to arrive at something that looks fairly similar to the received tradition while discounting it as a source of doctrine and extrapolating Scripture using his own approach of systematic theology, its also the case that most of the laity are not Karl Barth and are at risk of being misled by erroneous interpretations, and the teachers of those interpretations tend to be extremely proud of them - perhaps you have noticed how when debating with some members any criticism of their argument is treated like a personal attack?

For my part I try very hard to not have any doctrinal positions that are without Patristic precedent - its not enough for me to find something expressed in Scripture, I also want to compare my understanding of it against what the church fathers and the ecumenical councils taught (what in Orthodoxy we call Paradosis (which being translated means Holy Tradition) and what my Roman Catholic friends call the Magisterium, both terms being correct, the former Greek and the latter Latin, as befits our churches being the Greek and Latin churches historically (and of course I also love the Syriac and Coptic and Armenian and Ethiopian churches, and the Copts also use the word Paradosis, since the Coptic language took ancient Egyptian and introduced the Greek alphabet and a very large number of Greek loanwords for theological purposes, for example, the Trisagion hymn is identical in Greek and Coptic (provided one includes the Theopaschite clause added by St. Peter Fullo which the Oriental Orthodox like, as they regard the Trisagion hymn as Christological rather than Trinitarian), indeed in some tones of Byzantine Chant I seem to recall hearing the same melody the Copts use when singing the Trisagion. In Syriac, Holy Tradition is ܡܫܠܡܢܘܬܐ ܩܕܝܫܬܐ (which is pronounced something like Mosimonuto Qadidisto in the Western accent albeit with the caveat that there are some glottal stops and “ich” type sounds similar to German but a bit more complex; I can speak Syriac but I have to be careful since like Persian it requires a bit of phlegm and I did once inadvertently soak a hapless waiter at a Persian restaurant when ordering Doogh and Tadiq) and in Armenian it is : Surp Avandutyun.

At any rate, by comparing the writings of the early church fathers, I can make sure I’m not out in left field, and if I can’t find Patristic support or doctrinal support within the Orthodox church for whatever idea I’m having, well, if our doctrine contradicts it, I dismiss it, but if our doctrine doesn’t contradict it, I regard it as a theologoumemnon or theological opinion, applicable to an area that has not been dogmatized, the realm of what Lutherans call Adiaphora and Romans call Quaestiones Disputae, for example the aforementioned thought I have on the age of St. John the Beloved Disciple likely being an adolescent, which would explain why our Lord comforted him at the Last Supper; while Christ is the Father made visible for all of us, for St. John especially he would have been acting in loco parentis, especially since He would have known of the impending martyrdom of St. James the Great. But if someone is aware of an Orthodox Patristic text that nixes this or even compelling information that the Romans have I would be ready to be corrected, and my view is also not something I regard as doctrine, obviously no one is going to be saved or not saved based on how old they thing St. John was. Indeed there are some who think St. John the Beloved Disciple, St. John the Evangelist and St. John of Patmos were three or four different people - not me, but there are some who hold to that view..
 
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The value of Patristics, the Creed and of the Apostolic Tradition (much of which is not disputed between Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, Assyrians, Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, Moravians, Old Catholic, Continental Reformed, Presbyterian, Methodists and other Christians) is that it protects against certain incorrect interpretations which depend upon eisegesis and erroneous readings of Scripture. Now clearly, the correct reading of Scriptural is the most Scriptural, but in some cases, we have examples where a text has multiple possible interpretations, but the Church Fathers, the Ecumenical Councils and preceding generations of Christians uniformly favored one of those interpretations as a matter of doctrine. So while it is true that Karl Barth was able to arrive at something that looks fairly similar to the received tradition while discounting it as a source of doctrine and extrapolating Scripture using his own approach of systematic theology, its also the case that most of the laity are not Karl Barth and are at risk of being misled by erroneous interpretations, and the teachers of those interpretations tend to be extremely proud of them - perhaps you have noticed how when debating with some members any criticism of their argument is treated like a personal attack?

For my part I try very hard to not have any doctrinal positions that are without Patristic precedent - its not enough for me to find something expressed in Scripture, I also want to compare my understanding of it against what the church fathers and the ecumenical councils taught (what in Orthodoxy we call Paradosis (which being translated means Holy Tradition) and what my Roman Catholic friends call the Magisterium, both terms being correct, the former Greek and the latter Latin, as befits our churches being the Greek and Latin churches historically (and of course I also love the Syriac and Coptic and Armenian and Ethiopian churches, and the Copts also use the word Paradosis, since the Coptic language took ancient Egyptian and introduced the Greek alphabet and a very large number of Greek loanwords for theological purposes, for example, the Trisagion hymn is identical in Greek and Coptic (provided one includes the Theopaschite clause added by St. Peter Fullo which the Oriental Orthodox like, as they regard the Trisagion hymn as Christological rather than Trinitarian), indeed in some tones of Byzantine Chant I seem to recall hearing the same melody the Copts use when singing the Trisagion. In Syriac, Holy Tradition is ܡܫܠܡܢܘܬܐ ܩܕܝܫܬܐ (which is pronounced something like Mosimonuto Qadidisto in the Western accent albeit with the caveat that there are some glottal stops and “ich” type sounds similar to German but a bit more complex; I can speak Syriac but I have to be careful since like Persian it requires a bit of phlegm and I did once inadvertently soak a hapless waiter at a Persian restaurant when ordering Doogh and Tadiq) and in Armenian it is : Surp Avandutyun.

At any rate, by comparing the writings of the early church fathers, I can make sure I’m not out in left field, and if I can’t find Patristic support or doctrinal support within the Orthodox church for whatever idea I’m having, well, if our doctrine contradicts it, I dismiss it, but if our doctrine doesn’t contradict it, I regard it as a theologoumemnon or theological opinion, applicable to an area that has not been dogmatized, the realm of what Lutherans call Adiaphora and Romans call Quaestiones Disputae, for example the aforementioned thought I have on the age of St. John the Beloved Disciple likely being an adolescent, which would explain why our Lord comforted him at the Last Supper; while Christ is the Father made visible for all of us, for St. John especially he would have been acting in loco parentis, especially since He would have known of the impending martyrdom of St. James the Great. But if someone is aware of an Orthodox Patristic text that nixes this or even compelling information that the Romans have I would be ready to be corrected, and my view is also not something I regard as doctrine, obviously no one is going to be saved or not saved based on how old they thing St. John was. Indeed there are some who think St. John the Beloved Disciple, St. John the Evangelist and St. John of Patmos were three or four different people - not me, but there are some who hold to that view..
I find that people often appeal to patristics as a backup to support something not clearly taught in scripture.
 
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I find that people often appeal to patristics as a backup to support something not clearly taught in scripture.

Indeed but there are a number of things not clearly taught in Scripture, or not taught at all, that we are doctrinally reliant upon. For example, the 27 book New Testament canon.

On this important subject, for example, all we know from Scripture is that according to St. Peter, in his second epistle, the epistles of St. Paul are important and can be misinterpreted if read out of context, and the first patriarch of Antioch and of Rome goes on to explain in the same epistle the importance of the Church in interpretation by explaining how no prophecy is of any private interpretation, but we don’t get a complete list of the Pauline epistles, and that the Acts of the Apostles follows from the Gospel According to Luke (hence some theologians like to refer to both works as Luke-Acts.

Likewise the structure of the Eucharistic Liturgy or Mass, the system of thrice-daily prayers (Vespers, Compline, Matins) and the additional services which are commonly celebrated with them (Nocturns or the Midnight Office, Lauds and the Hours) and the ways of compressing them (Morning and Evening Prayer), the lectionaries used for reading Scripture, the Christian calendar (which most churches follow, with the exception of some denominations like the Covenanting Presbyterians which very strictly follow the ”regulative principle of worship” (to an extent which itself exceeds any Scriptural mandate, for example, St. Paul does not say that only the Psalms may be sung, rather he uses the phrase “Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs” which clearly leaves room for the Evangelical Canticles in Luke chapter 1 and other Scriptural canticles such as the Songs of the Suffering Servant, the Canticle of the Three Children (both the short initial canticle and the longer subsequent canticle found in the Septuagint, Benedicite Omni Opera), the hymn of Habakuk, and other canticles, and also various hymns, both ancient and modern, for instance, the Trisagion, Te Deum Laudamus, the Creed itself (traditionally always sung, indeed Bach’s Mass in B Minor is dominated by a very long and very beautiful setting of the Nicene Creed, with the other hymns such as the Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus and Agnus Dei also being exquisite but also comparatively shorter), and later hymns such as various Orthodox akathists and troparia, the lovely chorales of the likes of Luther and Wesley and Sullivan (for instance, “Christ Our Lord Is Risen Today” and “Nearer My God to Thee”) and more recent settings of ancient hymns such as the lovely settings of the Cherubic Hymn by Bortniansky, Chesnokov and Rachmaninoff. And the early church, in allowing such hymns, established a precedent, part of Holy Tradition, the Apostolic and Patristic Kerygma, a Magisterial point of referenence, that legitimizes such hymns.

The majority of errors I see on ChristianForums are the result of people who claim to reject Holy Tradition insisting that they alone (where “they” is in some cases the individual themselves, or in other cases their denomination) have interpreted Scripture correctly, that no other interpretations are valid, that their interpretation is the only obvious interpretation, that to disagree with them is to disagree with Scripture, and the fact that no one else has taught anything like their doctrine in the 1,993 years since the descent of the Holy Spirit in the Cenacle is either (a) irrelevant, (b) not true due to some conspiracy involving the Pope, the Jesuits, and sometimes Freemasons, (c) not true due to the autonomous existence of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Assyrians and the traditional Anglicans, Lutherans and other liturgical Protestants as being independent of Rome being another falsehood maintained by another sinister conspiracy involving the Pope, the Jesuits and/or the Freemasons, or (d) any combination of a, b, and c.

Now, I do on occasion also encounter those who insist on strange doctrines based on eisegetical misinterpretation of the Early Church Fathers. This is less common in the general areas of Christian Fathers but more common among divergent groups within denominations, for example, those who try to deny traditional Eastern Orthodox eschatology and other doctrines such as Dr. David Bentley Hart (who has sadly gone from being a spectacular contender for the faith against Richard Dawkins to being a crypto-Marcionite), and those in the various traditional or formerly traditional denominations who want to change (or in some cases, such as the United Methodist Church, wanted to change and were successful in changing, the doctrine of the church on human sexuality away from the Scriptural-Patristic norm and to the worldly embrace of pride, promiscuity and perversion). This also extends to eisegetical quotations from or outright misquotation of not only the early church fathers but also more recent denominational leaders, for example in the case of the UMC, the author of a heterodox (by CF standards) blog called “Hacking Christianity” (an apt name) quoted Wesley out of context in order to make the claim that John Wesley thought that creeds were “weeksauce” (that is to say, he was trying to make an anti-creedal statement, but his quotation of Wesley was eisegetical and ignored historical context, including the fact the praise John Wesley showered upon the 1662 Anglican Book of Common Prayer, which includes the Nicene and Apostles’ Creed, and which he used as the basis for his own “Sunday Service Book for the Methodists in North America” which was an abbreviated version (whether or not he desired the abbreviations or if they were necessary for space constraints I can’t say; the latter included the Apostles’ Creed as part of all services).

Now in cases where its a denominational belief, it is not necessarily pride but indoctrination, although pride can be a component, since some sectarian groups will cultivate passions such as pride as a means of controlling the loyalty of their members, including those on the fringes of Christianity (such as the Unitarian Universalists; I don’t see much evidence of humility in recent UUA preaching) with many stroking the egos of members based on the idea that they’re an elite which is holier and more pure than everyone else. In cases where the anomalous belief is individual, it usually involves pride and some measure of what we Orthodox call prelest, that is to say, spiritual delusion.
 
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Indeed but there are a number of things not clearly taught in Scripture, or not taught at all, that we are doctrinally reliant upon. For example, the 27 book New Testament canon.

On this important subject, for example, all we know from Scripture is that according to St. Peter, in his second epistle, the epistles of St. Paul are important and can be misinterpreted if read out of context, and the first patriarch of Antioch and of Rome goes on to explain in the same epistle the importance of the Church in interpretation by explaining how no prophecy is of any private interpretation, but we don’t get a complete list of the Pauline epistles, and that the Acts of the Apostles follows from the Gospel According to Luke (hence some theologians like to refer to both works as Luke-Acts.

Likewise the structure of the Eucharistic Liturgy or Mass, the system of thrice-daily prayers (Vespers, Compline, Matins) and the additional services which are commonly celebrated with them (Nocturns or the Midnight Office, Lauds and the Hours) and the ways of compressing them (Morning and Evening Prayer), the lectionaries used for reading Scripture, the Christian calendar (which most churches follow, with the exception of some denominations like the Covenanting Presbyterians which very strictly follow the ”regulative principle of worship” (to an extent which itself exceeds any Scriptural mandate, for example, St. Paul does not say that only the Psalms may be sung, rather he uses the phrase “Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs” which clearly leaves room for the Evangelical Canticles in Luke chapter 1 and other Scriptural canticles such as the Songs of the Suffering Servant, the Canticle of the Three Children (both the short initial canticle and the longer subsequent canticle found in the Septuagint, Benedicite Omni Opera), the hymn of Habakuk, and other canticles, and also various hymns, both ancient and modern, for instance, the Trisagion, Te Deum Laudamus, the Creed itself (traditionally always sung, indeed Bach’s Mass in B Minor is dominated by a very long and very beautiful setting of the Nicene Creed, with the other hymns such as the Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus and Agnus Dei also being exquisite but also comparatively shorter), and later hymns such as various Orthodox akathists and troparia, the lovely chorales of the likes of Luther and Wesley and Sullivan (for instance, “Christ Our Lord Is Risen Today” and “Nearer My God to Thee”) and more recent settings of ancient hymns such as the lovely settings of the Cherubic Hymn by Bortniansky, Chesnokov and Rachmaninoff. And the early church, in allowing such hymns, established a precedent, part of Holy Tradition, the Apostolic and Patristic Kerygma, a Magisterial point of referenence, that legitimizes such hymns.

The majority of errors I see on ChristianForums are the result of people who claim to reject Holy Tradition insisting that they alone (where “they” is in some cases the individual themselves, or in other cases their denomination) have interpreted Scripture correctly, that no other interpretations are valid, that their interpretation is the only obvious interpretation, that to disagree with them is to disagree with Scripture, and the fact that no one else has taught anything like their doctrine in the 1,993 years since the descent of the Holy Spirit in the Cenacle is either (a) irrelevant, (b) not true due to some conspiracy involving the Pope, the Jesuits, and sometimes Freemasons, (c) not true due to the autonomous existence of the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Assyrians and the traditional Anglicans, Lutherans and other liturgical Protestants as being independent of Rome being another falsehood maintained by another sinister conspiracy involving the Pope, the Jesuits and/or the Freemasons, or (d) any combination of a, b, and c.

Now, I do on occasion also encounter those who insist on strange doctrines based on eisegetical misinterpretation of the Early Church Fathers. This is less common in the general areas of Christian Fathers but more common among divergent groups within denominations, for example, those who try to deny traditional Eastern Orthodox eschatology and other doctrines such as Dr. David Bentley Hart (who has sadly gone from being a spectacular contender for the faith against Richard Dawkins to being a crypto-Marcionite), and those in the various traditional or formerly traditional denominations who want to change (or in some cases, such as the United Methodist Church, wanted to change and were successful in changing, the doctrine of the church on human sexuality away from the Scriptural-Patristic norm and to the worldly embrace of pride, promiscuity and perversion). This also extends to eisegetical quotations from or outright misquotation of not only the early church fathers but also more recent denominational leaders, for example in the case of the UMC, the author of a heterodox (by CF standards) blog called “Hacking Christianity” (an apt name) quoted Wesley out of context in order to make the claim that John Wesley thought that creeds were “weeksauce” (that is to say, he was trying to make an anti-creedal statement, but his quotation of Wesley was eisegetical and ignored historical context, including the fact the praise John Wesley showered upon the 1662 Anglican Book of Common Prayer, which includes the Nicene and Apostles’ Creed, and which he used as the basis for his own “Sunday Service Book for the Methodists in North America” which was an abbreviated version (whether or not he desired the abbreviations or if they were necessary for space constraints I can’t say; the latter included the Apostles’ Creed as part of all services).

Now in cases where its a denominational belief, it is not necessarily pride but indoctrination, although pride can be a component, since some sectarian groups will cultivate passions such as pride as a means of controlling the loyalty of their members, including those on the fringes of Christianity (such as the Unitarian Universalists; I don’t see much evidence of humility in recent UUA preaching) with many stroking the egos of members based on the idea that they’re an elite which is holier and more pure than everyone else. In cases where the anomalous belief is individual, it usually involves pride and some measure of what we Orthodox call prelest, that is to say, spiritual delusion.
There's been a great deal of stuff added into Chritianity that was not taught by Jesus, Peter, John and Paul. Personally I think a lot if not most of it is superfluous.
 
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