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Jasmine Crockett suggests she also would have stabbed Austin Metcalf in stunning defense of Karmelo Anthony

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It's wrong regardless of who says it. But, one must try to understand that frustration from the black community o understand Crockett's tirade.

Blacks face judgment, based on the color of their skin, throughout their lives. Saying that things have gotten better, since the 60's, does not change that it still occurs.
Yes I agree. But making it about race is actually doing the same thing. Always reducing every issue down to race is actually fueling division and racism. I don't think its as bad as some make out.

We have come a long way and yest we need to do more. But the hyper fixation on some groups is also descrimination. In fact in some ways its become so fixated that we are actually creating new minorities in other ways. New disadvantaged people because they are being decriminated against in new ways.

Its history repeating itself. Thats why the only way to break the chain is in Christ. There is neither Jew or Gentile, slave or master. Love others as yourself and even sacrificing self for the sake of others. Union of mind in Christ is of the spirit and not the flesh which is about skin color.
Yes, and this has gotten worse since the Tea Party formed after Obama was elected.
This is the scary and worrying part. That the cycle has been escalating and not declining. Like a long fight of over reacting on both sides so that each new cycle rachetts up the language until now its no longer just words but those words have created a new lived reality.

Say it enough times and it becomes reality.

But also a big part of this I think is that we have moved away from God and the gospel and Christs example as the grounding that keeps things with some degree of reality and truth. When that happens people lose their moral mooring and humans make up the rules.
Yes, I agree.
If a nation is not for God and with God then they are for the world. Its a spiritual battle with dark forces and principalities against Christ. The truth, way and life to God and His kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. As opposed to building a kingdom based on the worlds ideas of what makes for a united world. That will always lead to ruin and chaos.
 
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No one has a right to bring a knife to an argument.
Agreed
The difference in weight was 38 lbs. and the evidence shows that the victim merely pushed him.
I think the difference was around 50 lbs, which still doesn't excuse the knife.
The kid should not have been carrying a weapon in school grounds and worse use it to stab another teenager.
Agreed.
He got what he deserved.
Not up to me.
In fact he faced up to 99 years but only got 35 with the opportunity to go on parole after only half of that while the victim is just dead.
99 or as few as 5. I've seen far fewer years given to older men for the same charges
Your girl Crocket overstepped her bounds and said things that were very insensitive to the family of the victim.
I agree
 

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Yes I agree. But making it about race is actually doing the same thing.
Depends on if it was about race or not.
Always reducing every issue down to race is actually fueling division and racism.
Denying the race issue does the same. Every case is different
I don't think its as bad as some make out.
I know it's worse than many make it out to be.
We have come a long way and yest we need to do more. But the hyper fixation on some groups is also descrimination.
Yes
In fact in some ways its become so fixated that we are actually creating new minorities in other ways. New disadvantaged people because they are being decriminated against in new ways.
No we aren't.
Its history repeating itself. Thats why the only way to break the chain is in Christ. There is neither Jew or Gentile, slave or master. Love others as yourself and even sacrificing self for the sake of others. Union of mind in Christ is of the spirit and not the flesh which is about skin color.
Sounds nice but do you actually practice it.
Say it enough times and it becomes reality.
Trump proves that. He preys on gullible people that are easy to fool. He lies and lies but people begin to believe his lies. Like, racism isn't too bad.
 
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Depends on if it was about race or not.
It was about race. When words like blacks and whites are used its making it about race. You just have to stop and look at the language used. People use certain words for reasons over other words.

Crockett brought up racism within police as a way to deminish the fact that a murder had taken place. As though it was justified because of racism against blacks.

This is how things have become where narratives seem to be what we use to determine the truth. Believe the words and narratives over all else, even the facts and truth of the matter. She is a well known race baiter.
Denying the race issue does the same. Every case is different
True. I think its when the race is pushed over the truth and facts. In some ways not mentioning race or sex is better and this is what we built free nations on. Including civil rights leaders like Dr King. That people are judged by the content of their character and not the color of theur skin.

Identity politics has become a powerful way people turn issues into race, sex and gender. Today some make out that every difference and problem stems back to race. This is not true. There are many factors involved that cause people to suffer and have problems.

If we gegan to use race as the identity measure for social issues and rights. Then we would have to breakdown humans into 101 different identity markers from looks, body dynamics, class, education, mental illness, disability, 50 different genders ect ect ect.

A case can be made for all these groups and there would be a never ending fight over which group is most affected. As mentioned new minorities have been created by identity politics. For example now white males lag behind women in education. In fact are at the bottom of all race identifiers. Or there is a growing epidemic of autism and ADHD among young white males.

So the idea of using identity markers for what is moral or reality is a bad idea. We are all humans, made in Gods image and children of God. Our inherent value is in God and not ideas that have been socially constructed by humans who think they know better.
I know it's worse than many make it out to be.
But what is that line. According to some todays society is as bad as the Jim Crow era and even slavery. I really think an entire grievance industry has been made out of race, sex and gender. Look at how it took over everything. Everyone was forced to take on the ideology. Which stems from critical race theiry. A now debunked ideology and not reality.

When I was growing up we did not have all this hyper focus on our differences. We befriended other cultures and they become part of our culture. We called them Aussies even though they came from different nations. Som becoming icons in entertainment and industry showing the way.

Now you cannot even speak without words being taken as offensive in one way or another. If there is anything that has resulted from all this ideology its that no matter how you look at it or argue it. The fact is this has made society more divisive and harmful. The proof is in the pudding. We have tried that way and it doesn't work and in fact makes matters worse. Lets move on to a new idea like uniting under Christ.
Yes

No we aren't.
You think so. I am not sure of that. As mentioned above we are seeing these new groups rising up. Another example is how trans activism is winding back the hard fought for rights of women. That is undermining a major right that women fought for. But in some ways it was the radicalisation of feminism which has now turned on women. They created a monster.
Sounds nice but do you actually practice it.
I try to. I work with organisations that support the most needy including homelessness. I don't speak religion or politics or buy into the talk which working with others in community. Like many other Christians out there we just muck in and help out wherever we can without judgement. As you could imagine people from all walks of life can be affected by social issues and support is available regardless of identity.

I think its this example of being there and helping and showing Christs example that can penetrate through without any words said. Not being like the world in letting people down with hypocracy and imposing on others their ideas about how things should be and done.

Though I find that people will naturally speak of God and Christ. Its amazing how many have this on their minds. I think thats where Christ works best in that they are struggling to find the answers and some are more open to God as a result. Paul mentions becoming like those he witnessed to and Christ did the same in coming down to the same level to meet sinners.
Trump proves that. He preys on gullible people that are easy to fool. He lies and lies but people begin to believe his lies. Like, racism isn't too bad.
Yeah he is a bit brash. Its a trying time in politics and culture at the moment. Both sides are polarising as though they are heading for a big clash. We have already seen some of that. In fact its not just the US but many nations seem to be having the same polarisation of ideologies.

I say the Left and Right but it could also be conservatives and progressives or Christians and non Christians, Islamist or western culture or Christian, man and women, black and white, socialism/marxism and capitalism, liberalism and tradition ect ect ect.

But ultimately these are the symptoms of a deeper division and clash which is spiritual. Thats what its coming down to. World ideologies and principalities of power against Christs truth as lord of this world. I think these are the birth pangs of a greater spiritual war to come that will be played out between these invisible powers.
 
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It was about race. When words like blacks and whites are used its making it about race.
What was? The incident or the media coverage. I didn't hear testimony which made it about race but I heard where the trial and coverage made it about race.
You just have to stop and look at the language used. People use certain words for reasons over other words.
I agree. I saw that in your posts. I saw that in Crockett's ranting. I saw that on Fox, CNN, MSNOW, etc...

Crockett brought up racism within police as a way to deminish the fact that a murder had taken place.
Racism does exist in the police and Crockett prove racism is in her.
 
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Yes I agree. But making it about race is actually doing the same thing. Always reducing every issue down to race is actually fueling division and racism. I don't think its as bad as some make out.
[EDIT]Am I to understand that when I hear a person of color complaining about racism, I should take that complaint with the grain of salt that negates their plaint because they mention it “too much”?

Or do I totally misconstrue your imprecise missive?


I withdraw my comment and question.
Crockett didn’t mention race. (She may have in the podcast, but not in the OP’s article. So I’m curious why we’re discussing how they always make it about race…unless you saw her mention it and just decided not to mention that?)
 
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So what is she saying then because the implication is that she would have used more than her fists which suggests a weapon. Or do you think she would have used her long nails?
From the OP, “‘If a 300-pound man is beating me, like on top of me and beating me down, I’m not limited to fists,’ she said, seemingly implying she too would have stabbed the high school athlete.”

She didn’t mention a weapon at all, and yet the fine piece of journalism all but placed one in her hand.

Secondly, the victim was not 300 lbs (he was 200lbs.) and was not on top of Anthony but merely shoved him. She is minimizing Anthony’s criminal actions and siding with the nonsense defense that he acted in self defense.
I missed where she said that she was trying to stick to the facts of the case, when talking about imagining fending off such an attack as the accused had faced.
She stated her opinion, and you think that her opinion is incorrect. And that’s fine. But this is a weak argument for you.


Thirdly, the knife was long enough to enter the victim’s sternum and pierce the heart leaving a 2” gash. It was not about 1” long and a switch blade that was described as serrated. She is again minimizing Anthony’s action by minimizing the weapon.
According to the New York Post it was a Walmart folding knife with a blade length of 3.5’’
NYP said:
Anthony’s knife came from the Walmart camping brand “Ozark Trail,” and had a 3.5-inch blade, the Collin County District attorney.
Yet the OP’s knife-length was 5’’,
OP said:
The cavalcade of inaccuracies started with Crockett downplaying the size of the semi-serrated, 5-inch pocket knife Anthony was convicted of plunging into Metcalf’s chest during a dispute at a track meet at Memorial High School in Frisco, Texas, last April.
The prosecutor must have forgotten to mention to the jury that it was a “switch blade”, unless you’re mistaken?
 
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Ami I to understand that when I hear a person of color complaining about racism, I should take that complaint with the grain of salt that negates their plaint because they mention it “too much”?

Or do I totally misconstrue your imprecise missive?
It shouldn't matter what color they are. And you should realize that victimhood has been taught to much of our society and thus not assume every claim is true.
 
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It shouldn't matter what color they are. And you should realize that victimhood has been taught to much of our society and thus not assume every claim is true.
Several book-banning threads pop to mind. But they’re off topic, also I amended that posting.
 
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What was? The incident or the media coverage. I didn't hear testimony which made it about race but I heard where the trial and coverage made it about race.
Crockett and supporters made it about race. No one else did. That was the anglle they were trying to take. That it was all about race. When the facts show it was just plain outright murder regardless of race.
I agree. I saw that in your posts. I saw that in Crockett's ranting. I saw that on Fox, CNN, MSNOW, etc...

Racism does exist in the police and Crockett prove racism is in her.
I think its unfair to just say racism is in all police.
 
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Crockett and supporters made it about race. No one else did. That was the anglle they were trying to take. That it was all about race. When the facts show it was just plain outright murder regardless of race.

I think its unfair to just say racism is in all police.
Definitely.
 
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From the OP, “‘If a 300-pound man is beating me, like on top of me and beating me down, I’m not limited to fists,’ she said, seemingly implying she too would have stabbed the high school athlete.”

She didn’t mention a weapon at all, and yet the fine piece of journalism all but placed one in her hand.
Any reasonable person would interpret her comment as referring to a weapon more powerful than her fists to defend herself. What do you think she meant by that comment?
I missed where she said that she was trying to stick to the facts of the case,
lol she didn’t but I guess that’s not her strong suit.
when talking about imagining fending off such an attack as the accused had faced.
She stated her opinion, and you think that her opinion is incorrect. And that’s fine. But this is a weak argument for you.
How is interpreting her comment as referring to a weapon weak?
According to the New York Post it was a Walmart folding knife with a blade length of 3.5’’ Yet the OP’s knife-length was 5’’,

The prosecutor must have forgotten to mention to the jury that it was a “switch blade”, unless you’re mistaken?
What does it matter if it was a switch blade or not? It was a 5” knife, he had it concealed, he brought it to a school sanctioned event in which weapons are not allowed, he stabbed the victim in the heart, and the victim died. This was an open and shut case. No racism and no self defense. He got better than what he deserved.
 
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Crockett and supporters made it about race.
Crockett's complaint was about prosecutors disqualifying all of the black jurors. that is not racist. It is a valid point.
No one else did.
Depends on why the black jurors were actually disqualified.
That was the anglle they were trying to take. That it was all about race.
I didn't hear Crockett making the fight about race.The trial? She has a point.
When the facts show it was just plain outright murder regardless of race.
It was murder but was it also self defense? Is 35 years a proper sentence? Would it have been much lower had the black jurors not been dismissed?
I think its unfair to just say racism is in all police.
Who said that?
 
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[EDIT]Am I to understand that when I hear a person of color complaining about racism, I should take that complaint with the grain of salt that negates their plaint because they mention it “too much”?

Or do I totally misconstrue your imprecise missive?


I withdraw my comment and question.
Crockett didn’t mention race. (She may have in the podcast, but not in the OP’s article. So I’m curious why we’re discussing how they always make it about race…unless you saw her mention it and just decided not to mention that?)
Crockett has a history of making it about race. For example Crockett brought in George Floyd to defend Anthonys actions as justified in self defense. Why bring in Floyd of all people which is a know racial issue that has caused much division. What is she trying to do create another riot.

It was a clear attempt to racialise the situation and garner support for Anthony as the victim and not a murderer.

She claimed the jury was all white when it wasn't, in another attempt to make it about race. She makes comments like the jury probably found him guilty because they are sick of black people. Everything is about race as the cause.

Karmelo Anthony verdict draws anti-white rage and lies from radical Dem congresswoman, angry activists
Rep. Jasmine Crockett, took to her podcast after Tuesday's verdict to make false claims about the trial and its jury as she continues to stir up racial hatred.

Crochett
Latinos who support Trump’s immigration policies exhibit a self-hating “slave mentality.”

I mean still bringing up slavery after all these years. Attacking other minorities for simply disagreeing with her. Its all racially motivated and stirs up division.

Jasmine Crockett's history of playing the race card going after conservative and liberal critics

Its not that people should not mention if racial descrimination or any descrimination is being done. Its making out that its race when its not. In the case of Metcalfs murder its just plain murder. But Crockett is doing her level best to make out it was about race. Which will lead to more division and hate on the streets.
 
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Crockett's complaint was about prosecutors disqualifying all of the black jurors. that is not racist. It is a valid point.
Thi was a misrepresentation. She said it was an all white jury to stir up racial divisions. There was no disqualification of black jurors. This is making out that people purposely disqualified blacks to rig the jury and thus the verdict would have been different if blacks were included.

Black jurors were included but did not qualify for good reasons. But the jury was half minorities so was not all white. But Crockett made out this was about race.

She has been caught making several lies. Like Metcalf was this 300ib monster bullying Anthony. She said the the weapon was not deadly when it penetrated through Metcalfs chest and into his heart. Thats a deadly weapon if it kills someone.

She is not only a race baiter but a liar. All to stir up division and hate. Now theres death threats against the Metcalfs with the calling to murder Austins twin brother and people are beginning to resort to violence on the streets.
Depends on why the black jurors were actually disqualified.
One was disqualified for actually stating that he supported Anthony.
I didn't hear Crockett making the fight about race.The trial? She has a point.
You just mentioned how Crockett was complaining about an all white jury and implied some sort of conspiracy to make it all white. Thats bringing in race. She compared this to Floyd. Thats bringing in race. Thats actually stoking racial division and violence on the streets.

It was a straight up murder full stop. Anthony got a relatively short sentence for murdering someone. he could be out in 16 years. How would black jurors find Anthony not guilty of murder. It was not self defense.
It was murder but was it also self defense? Is 35 years a proper sentence? Would it have been much lower had the black jurors not been dismissed?
How was it self defense. Anthony was told to leave the tent and he did not. he provoked the whole incident. Eye witnesses said that Metcalf did not touch him prior. But only afte Anthony pulled the knife and plunged it into his chest.

But even so its still not self defense as metcalf had no weapon and was not posing a threat to anthony's life. Crockett lied in trying to make out some big white bully deserved to be stabbed. Its all lies and stiring up division and hate and now death threats towards the Metcalfs and violence on the streets.
Who said that?
By suggesting racism is in the police in a murder trial that had nothing to do with police is inciting racism. Its bringing in an irrelevant issue into a straight out murder of an innocent person. Police racism has nothing to do with it and its an example of how race is brought in when it has nothing to do with race.

I have seen many examples of people of all races commit murder in hate and rage over trivial matters. That Anthony was carrying a weapon into a school meeting is part of the problem and mentality that leads to murder.

A lot of young people think that using a weapon is normal when its not. Regardless of race murder is murder and most murderers do long times in jail. Anthony got a relatively light sentense.
 
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Thi was a misrepresentation. She said it was an all white jury to stir up racial divisions.
That is just your biased opinion. What did she say that made you think this?
There was no disqualification of black jurors.
Three black jurors were disqualified, according to court records.
This is making out that people purposely disqualified blacks to rig the jury and thus the verdict would have been different if blacks were included.
You seem to believe that you know exactly what prosecutors were thinking when they removed the three black jurors.
Black jurors were included but did not qualify for good reasons.
The jury pool included three black candidates. The prosecutors dismissed them based on their answers in a questionnaire. One reason was because they were teachers. What is a "good" reason for this? Another reason was their response on immigration. Again, what good reason does that have?
But the jury was half minorities so was not all white. But Crockett made out this was about race.
Incorrect. There were 12 jurors and 6 alternates. Of these 18 people, 11 were white, 3 were Hispanic, 2 were Asian, and 2 from India. The racial makeup of the sitting 12 jurors, 9 were white with 3 minorities.

That's not half.
She has been caught making several lies.
Not for sure if they were lies or inaccuracies.
Like Metcalf was this 300ib monster bullying Anthony.
She never said that. Is that a lie or are you inaccurate?
She said the the weapon was not deadly when it penetrated through Metcalfs chest and into his heart.
Police described it as mainly used as a tool. Tools can be deadly, though.
Thats a deadly weapon if it kills someone.
Yes.
She is not only a race baiter but a liar.
Your biased opinion.
All to stir up division and hate.
Biased opinion.
Now theres death threats against the Metcalfs with the calling to murder Austins twin brother and people are beginning to resort to violence on the streets.
Sad.
One was disqualified for actually stating that he supported Anthony.
Which one?

You just mentioned how Crockett was complaining about an all white jury and implied some sort of conspiracy to make it all white.
You are adding to what I said
It was a straight up murder full stop.
It was murder but evidence showed that self defense was a factor.
Anthony got a relatively short sentence for murdering someone.
I've seen a man who broke into a home and killed a young child, get 10 years. He was then pardoned by the Republican Governor because the man's father donated to his campaign. Now, that's relatively short.
he could be out in 16 years. How would black jurors find Anthony not guilty of murder. It was not self defense.
Murder occurs when a person kills another person. Self defense does not change the definition. Anthony was in a tent when confronted by several members of the school and told to get out. He was shoved by the victim, with various accounts of how hard the shove was.

Self defense would be a valid defense for Anthony's lawyers and also should be used to mitigate the charge.
 
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