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The Housing Project Thats Putting Datacenters In Your Home

@essentialsaltes touched on this but the video is more in depth and I saw it yesterday. Pulte isn't the only builder participating. The channel includes additional links on the subject if you want to learn more or you're in the market for a home and want to know who to watch out for.

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Hi everyone, I'm issuing a serious home buyer alert today about a troubling trend in new construction homes. I’ve learned that builders are partnering with SPAN to install ‘mini data centers’ on the side of new houses. While this sounds modern, it means you could own a home with a corporate-owned box you may not be legally able to remove, effectively making your property host their infrastructure for AI capacity.

You get no meaningful financial cut from the revenue these generate. The promised perks, like temporary reduced utility costs and a backup battery (mainly for the data center), just don’t outweigh the risks in my opinion. I’m concerned about higher homeowner’s insurance premiums, increased fire risk, and unknown long-term health effects as these units are untested.

Before buying new construction, always ask about easement deeds and any external corporate hardware. If once you review all the data and terms you are comfortable that is your choice but make sure you are going in eyes wide open. Right now this is in proof of concept phase expected to be trialed on 100 homes. I will be watching as this develops and I truly hope if it continues that they give homeowners the ability to have the panels removed for free if they don't like them.


~bella

Interesting.

A thought hit me as I was reading this and watching the video. Why aren't commercial businesses with lots of locations getting in on this act? They may even already have the increased electrical capacity to handle it and most of them have some space either behind the business or in a part of the lot that could be used for it.

In other words, why isn't McDonald's, 7-11, Dollar General, etc saying to the AI companies - "Hey, why don't you come put one of those mini-data centers behind each of our stores?! We'll rent you a some space behind the store for $$XX per month?!"

Since the tech for these "mini-datacenters" apparently exists it seems like it would be an easy way businesses with many locations to make some extra $$ and an easy way for AI companies to boost their capacity.
 
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Interesting.

A thought hit me as I was reading this and watching the video. Why aren't commercial businesses with lots of locations getting in on this act? They may even already have the increased electrical capacity to handle it and most of them have some space either behind the business or in a part of the lot that could be used for it.

In other words, why isn't McDonald's, 7-11, Dollar General, etc saying to the AI companies - "Hey, why don't you come put one of those mini-data centers behind each of our stores?! We'll rent you a some space behind the store for $$XX per month?!"

Since the tech for these "mini-datacenters" apparently exists it seems like it would be an easy way businesses with many locations to make some extra $$ and an easy way for AI companies to boost their capacity.

That may happen in the future and if we're honest it should have begun in the commercial sector first. The only reason I can see them doing otherwise is the mortgage. Businesses fail all the time and brick and mortar is diminishing. But a homeowner is locked into a 30+ year agreement which yields a lot of revenue.

~bella
 
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Eight data centers threaten to transform this small Texas county. Local officials say they have no power to stop them.

“We love liberty and love a lack of regulation,” said Greg Harrell, chair of the Hood County GOP, at a town hall earlier this year. “Data centers are taking advantage of it… They saw an opportunity.”

“Texas is a great state to do business. All of that really has come together to help make Texas, again, one of the national leaders in digital infrastructure,” said Dan Diorio, vice president of state policy with the Data Center Coalition.

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Instead of green, about 600 yards away from their garden, they could soon be looking at 2,100 acres of warehouse-like structures filled with computing servers that process the digital world, flattening their scenic view into something industrial. The site plan calls for a campus that spans almost six times the size of University of Texas at Austin’s main campus. Its Florida-based developer refers to it as the Comanche Circle project, but the eventual company that will run the data center has not been publicly revealed.

This is just the beginning of the data center revolution in Hood County, a rural community of 62,000 people about an hour southwest of Fort Worth. Developers have proposed eight data centers spanning over 7,600 acres, or 12 square miles. While it’s unclear how much power all of the facilities would require, the Comanche Circle data center, plus two other smaller projects from the same developer, could use up to 3 gigawatts of electricity at full capacity, according to its developer — enough to power about 3 million homes. Some of the power could be generated by a new on-site gas plant, and some will likely come from the state’s power grid, according to the project’s concept plan.

Massive data centers are also flooding the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, the state’s main grid operator, with requests for power. As of May, ERCOT reported that large projects requesting to connect to the grid totaled 439 gigawatts of power capacity — five times larger than the all-time peak demand on the state’s grid. Of those projects, about 89% are data centers, though energy experts say it’s unlikely that all of them will be built.

TL;DR, but good article
 
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Eight data centers threaten to transform this small Texas county. Local officials say they have no power to stop them.

“We love liberty and love a lack of regulation,” said Greg Harrell, chair of the Hood County GOP, at a town hall earlier this year. “Data centers are taking advantage of it… They saw an opportunity.”

“Texas is a great state to do business. All of that really has come together to help make Texas, again, one of the national leaders in digital infrastructure,” said Dan Diorio, vice president of state policy with the Data Center Coalition.

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Instead of green, about 600 yards away from their garden, they could soon be looking at 2,100 acres of warehouse-like structures filled with computing servers that process the digital world, flattening their scenic view into something industrial. The site plan calls for a campus that spans almost six times the size of University of Texas at Austin’s main campus. Its Florida-based developer refers to it as the Comanche Circle project, but the eventual company that will run the data center has not been publicly revealed.

This is just the beginning of the data center revolution in Hood County, a rural community of 62,000 people about an hour southwest of Fort Worth. Developers have proposed eight data centers spanning over 7,600 acres, or 12 square miles. While it’s unclear how much power all of the facilities would require, the Comanche Circle data center, plus two other smaller projects from the same developer, could use up to 3 gigawatts of electricity at full capacity, according to its developer — enough to power about 3 million homes. Some of the power could be generated by a new on-site gas plant, and some will likely come from the state’s power grid, according to the project’s concept plan.

Massive data centers are also flooding the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, the state’s main grid operator, with requests for power. As of May, ERCOT reported that large projects requesting to connect to the grid totaled 439 gigawatts of power capacity — five times larger than the all-time peak demand on the state’s grid. Of those projects, about 89% are data centers, though energy experts say it’s unlikely that all of them will be built.

TL;DR, but good article
If water, energy and space is an issue, I suggest culling the useless human population.
 
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If water, energy and space is an issue, I suggest culling the useless human population.
That seems to be the neatest solution to the "AI is taking jobs" problem. If the people are gone, AI can have the jobs, water, energy and space.

I know someone recently mentioned that after the automobile became common, the number of horses in the US dropped from tens of millions to a few million (or something like that).
 
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Eight data centers threaten to transform this small Texas county. Local officials say they have no power to stop them.

“We love liberty and love a lack of regulation,” said Greg Harrell, chair of the Hood County GOP, at a town hall earlier this year. “Data centers are taking advantage of it… They saw an opportunity.”

“Texas is a great state to do business. All of that really has come together to help make Texas, again, one of the national leaders in digital infrastructure,” said Dan Diorio, vice president of state policy with the Data Center Coalition.

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Instead of green, about 600 yards away from their garden, they could soon be looking at 2,100 acres of warehouse-like structures filled with computing servers that process the digital world, flattening their scenic view into something industrial. The site plan calls for a campus that spans almost six times the size of University of Texas at Austin’s main campus. Its Florida-based developer refers to it as the Comanche Circle project, but the eventual company that will run the data center has not been publicly revealed.

This is just the beginning of the data center revolution in Hood County, a rural community of 62,000 people about an hour southwest of Fort Worth. Developers have proposed eight data centers spanning over 7,600 acres, or 12 square miles. While it’s unclear how much power all of the facilities would require, the Comanche Circle data center, plus two other smaller projects from the same developer, could use up to 3 gigawatts of electricity at full capacity, according to its developer — enough to power about 3 million homes. Some of the power could be generated by a new on-site gas plant, and some will likely come from the state’s power grid, according to the project’s concept plan.

Massive data centers are also flooding the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, the state’s main grid operator, with requests for power. As of May, ERCOT reported that large projects requesting to connect to the grid totaled 439 gigawatts of power capacity — five times larger than the all-time peak demand on the state’s grid. Of those projects, about 89% are data centers, though energy experts say it’s unlikely that all of them will be built.

TL;DR, but good article
The silver lining: ERCOT is not connected to the rest of us.
 
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Massive data centers are also flooding the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, the state’s main grid operator, with requests for power. As of May, ERCOT reported that large projects requesting to connect to the grid totaled 439 gigawatts of power capacity — five times larger than the all-time peak demand on the state’s grid. Of those projects, about 89% are data centers, though energy experts say it’s unlikely that all of them will be built.

Texas grid flags risks as data centers, crypto sites fail voltage tests


Several large data centers and crypto facilities planning to connect to the Texas power grid ahead of ‌peak summer demand have failed key reliability tests, raising the risk of power outages just as electricity use hits its seasonal high, according to the state grid operator.
The rapid expansion of data centers processing vast amounts of data for artificial intelligence and crypto mining is straining power grids across the United States.

Unlike traditional industrial customers, which tend to draw electricity steadily and predictably, data centers are engineered to cut their connection to the grid at the first sign ⁠of trouble to protect their equipment and keep services running. That makes them an unpredictable and potentially destabilizing force on grids already under pressure from rising demand.

Four groups of unnamed large electricity users, including data centers, abruptly disconnected from the Texas grid during a test of how they would handle routine voltage disturbances, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) said in a report dated May 21.

When large customers abruptly cut their power use, it can knock the grid off balance and trigger wider outages.
 
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Ohio’s biggest data centers secured decades of tax breaks

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio lawmakers are trying to scale back a controversial data center tax break after learning the state gave up more than $1.5 billion in tax revenue last year.

Amazon, Meta and Google all signed agreements between 2014 and 2018 that granted them 100% sales tax exemptions for up to 40 years on any facility built in Ohio if the companies invested a certain amount in the state.
 
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Data centers in space is a very dumb idea. What a waste of money. Now how do I keep this junk stock out of my mutual funds?
You underestimate humanity's restlessness for Sehnsucht, especially in regards to our interests in space exploration. The inner feelings involved in that, tend to remind us that possibilities may have no limits - and that special feeling is what draws us closer to it.

It's interesting, that data centers in space could actually *generate* electricity using solar arrays... And the vacuum of space replaces the need for cooling... It's almost as if our inventions are always a precursor to what comes next. As if one thing leading to the next was aligned intentionally somehow... This is evolution, fast tracked... Where we once evolved limbs and left the water, we now have been given the gift of intellect.

Life is amazing. Could it be that what comes predates what was? As if they 'knew' each other in another way? Not sure if anyone can wrap their head around what I'm thinking when I say this.
 
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You underestimate humanity's restlessness for Sehnsucht, especially in regards to our interests in space exploration. The inner feelings involved in that, tend to remind us that possibilities may have no limits - and that good feeling is what draws us closer to it.

It's interesting, that data centers in space could actually generate electricity using solar arrays...
Data centers on the ground can also generate power with solar panels, and all at a cost less than their weight in gold just to transport them.
It's almost as if our inventions are always a precursor to what comes next. As if one thing leading to the next aligned intentionally somehow... This is evolution, fast tracked... Where we once evolved limbs and left the water, we now have been given the gift of intellect.
None of this makes cooling computers in space cheap.
 
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What does it mean "he follows his wagon behind him that's loaded with clay"..?

To me, it reminds me that the relationship between time and life and evolution (creation), may be different than how we see it.

 
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