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What? You want to go down in history like that looser Stanislav Petrov?
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Are We Getting to Those "Illegal Orders" People Have Been Talking About?
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Getting arrested in Italy for war crimes when I'm in my 70s is not on the Bucket list.
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Where would you prefer to be arrested? I hear Argentina is nice.
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His delusion is thinking he will go down as a hero in history if that should happen.
Civilians talking about war worry me. I had my weekly breakfast with a bunch of old MAGA men just a few hours ago, and I came away feeling sad.
"If we kill enough civilians, the people will rise up against the government."
I had a talk with a former Green Beret just last week, and we touched on the subject of "the people will rise up against the government."
Basically: It doesn't happen. The idea that civilians will spontaneously revolt simply because they’ve suffered under a regime--or because foreign forces inflict damage--is largely a fantasy. Revolts, rebellions, and insurgencies almost always require structure, preparation, and leadership. Civilians alone don’t magically transform into a coordinated fighting force.
Farmers, shopkeepers, students, bus drivers...those people don't just "rise up." Even if you drop crates of rifles on them, they don't just "rise up." They have to be prompted, pumped up, and then trained to be insurgents. That's what the Green Berets were created to do, because that's what it takes.
People forget what we were taught about our own American rebellion. First, the people who voted for rebellion were mostly the well-to-do, not the guy personally pushing his own plow. Second, that guy pushing his own plow didn't just "rise up." We had a few professional soldiers from the French and Indian wars, but we still had to hire professionals from Europe--essentially the same as Green Berets--to produce a useful fighting force.
“If we kill enough civilians, they’ll rise up” is essentially a mythic notion of resistance. Historically, indiscriminate violence against civilians tends to entrench loyalty to the regime or drive people into survival mode, not revolution. Civilians tend to hide, flee, or endure, rather than spontaneously organize into armed opposition.
That’s why the Green Berets exist: They specialize in turning a population from passive frustration into an effective, trained, and motivated force. Without that guidance, even the most motivated civilians lack the discipline, tactics, and coordination to challenge a military power effectively.
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They didn’t forget, they believed the myth of fed up farmers bringing an empire to its knees by shooting from behind bushes.
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No longer so hypothetical.
Photos suggest US bombs damaged drinking water tanks in Iran
Water facilities are protected under the Geneva Convention. In March, US President Donald Trump floated the idea of the United States attacking Iran’s water desalinization plants in a Truth Social post. The threat raised widespread alarm among America’s Gulf allies.Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Wednesday was asked in general about targeting civilian infrastructure in Iran, though not specifically about the water facility strikes, and whether such attacks would amount to a war crime. In response, he said that was a “disingenuous question” and that the US would hit targets “that improve the environment for us to operate in.”
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CNN's source is the Iranian news agency. In other words, CNN appears to accept the words of the Iranian propaganda media.
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Analysis of Satellite Image and Videos Suggest Precision U.S. Strikes on Iranian Water Facility
It is unclear if the U.S. intentionally struck the facility or knew what it was. Deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure could constitute a war crime.A commercial satellite image from the morning of June 9 shows two small water structures in the village of Bemani. Both have light blue pipes, typical for water distribution infrastructure, as is their location — on a hill outside of a populated area. The buildings are consistent with the description of the two storage tanks that Abdolhamid Hamzehpour, the head of the provincial water authority, said were destroyed.
It is unclear if the U.S. intentionally struck the water facilities, or knew what was in the buildings. Deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure could constitute a war crime under international law.
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What about anonymous, independent geolocators and open source intelligence researchers?
GeoConfirmed — Open-Source Conflict Geolocation
Volunteer-driven OSINT project geolocating and verifying visual content from conflicts worldwide.
geoconfirmed.org
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