Real hatred towards certain people is not wrong (proof from the Bible)

BibleBeliever1611 · Thursday at 12:06 PM

Too often people talk about the idea that all people should be accepted and loved and that hatred is bad. This is completely wrong when we take scripture into consideration.

Psalms 139:21 says, "Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?"

What we can see from this specific scripture is that the guy is asking God, "do not I hate them..." like asking for validation that he's doing something right. Hatred is a good thing and if you have absolutely no hatred towards anyone, you are not certainly walking in the Spirit and you're not following the Bible.

Further on verse 22 the passage continues, "I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."

Now in this verse hatred described here is even deeper than just any normal hatred or negative emotion. With "perfect hatred" he is saying that the people that he hates deserve no love.

From this scripture we can see how serious it is when people are haters or enemies of God. They should not be treated with love, patience, longsuffering, none of that. Sometimes people literally deserve no love and this is proven by scripture. The more you think about this the more you would realize that you should start hating people more and not be like a Pontius Pilate who want's to be on everyone's side. Even from a human perspective, you could conclude that hatred in and of itself should not be bad if God gave people emotions, hatred being one of them. God would not create something bad that shouldn't exist.

So what people would fall into this category of people that deserve no love? The enemies of God. The LGBTQ people for certain. The false prophets. The atheists, at least most of them. The list could continue.

2PhiloVoid · Thursday at 12:09 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
Too often people talk about the idea that all people should be accepted and loved and that hatred is bad. This is completely wrong when we take scripture into consideration.

Psalms 139:29 says, "Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?"

What we can see from this specific scripture is that the guy is asking God, "do not I hate them..." like asking for validation that he's doing something right. Hatred is a good thing and if you have absolutely no hatred towards anyone, you are not certainly walking in the Spirit and you're not following the Bible.

Further on verse 22 the passage continues, "I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."

Now in this verse hatred described here is even deeper than just any normal hatred or negative emotion. With "perfect hatred" he is saying that the people that he hates deserve no love.

From this scripture we can see how serious it is when people are haters or enemies of God. They should not be treated with love, patience, longsuffering, none of that. Sometimes people literally deserve no love and this is proven by scripture. The more you think about this the more you would realize that you should start hating people more and not be like a Pontius Pilate who want's to be on everyone's side. Even from a human perspective, you could conclude that hatred in and of itself should not be bad if God gave people emotions, hatred being one of them. God would not create something bad that shouldn't exist.

So what people would fall into this category of people that deserve no love? The enemies of God. The LGBTQ people for certain. The false prophets. The atheists, at least most of them. The list could continue.

So much for the Beatitudes. Moreover, we are to LOVE EVEN OUR ENEMIES. Somehow, you seem to be missing that in your wrenched interpretation of Old Testament scripture.

Hentenza · Thursday at 12:11 PM

Hate is the enemy of bringing people to Christ. Hatred works to impede God ‘s work. Instead of hating the groups that you mentioned why not give them the love of Christ and plant the seeds that God can grow?

BibleBeliever1611 · Thursday at 12:15 PM

Hentenza said:
Hate is the enemy of bringing people to Christ. Hatred works to impede God ‘s work. Instead of hating the groups that you mentioned why not give them the love of Christ and plant the seeds that God can grow?

They don't deserve the gospel. It's literally that simple.

Lost Witness · Thursday at 12:18 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
They don't deserve the gospel. It's literally that simple.

None of us DESERVE the Lord

Hentenza · Thursday at 12:19 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
They don't deserve the gospel. It's literally that simple.

That is not biblical. The great commission is to make disciples of all nations which includes everyone even the ones that YOU don’t like. You don’t get to choose who to “save”.

2PhiloVoid · Thursday at 12:21 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
They don't deserve the gospel. It's literally that simple.

Who does deserve the Gospel? From what St. Paul says in the letter to the Romans, no one does.

I don't know what you're angry about, but you need to learn to allay it.

BibleBeliever1611 · Thursday at 12:26 PM

Hentenza said:
That is not biblical. The great commission is to make disciples of all nations which includes everyone even the ones that YOU don’t like. You don’t get to choose who to “save”.

Well it is actually biblical proven by Matthew 7:6 when it says not to give that which is holy unto the dogs. Whatever the "dogs" means here I'm not going to speculate since it might be a too sensitive topic to talk about. But whoever it's referring to, it looks like that which is holy (which would be the gospel) should not be given unto them.

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6

2PhiloVoid · Thursday at 12:31 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
Well it is actually biblical proven by Matthew 7:6 when it says not to give that which is holy unto the dogs. Whatever the "dogs" means here I'm not going to speculate since it might be a too sensitive topic to talk about. But whoever it's referring to, it looks like that which is holy (which would be the gospel) should not be given unto them.

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6

Citing Mathew 7:6 is a red herring to the locus of your OP statements and have little to do with 'hating' those who may hate God (or Jesus).

Matthew 7:6 is about being discerning and wise in how you interact with non-believers. It has nothing to do with 'hating them.'

Hentenza · Thursday at 12:38 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
Well it is actually biblical proven by Matthew 7:6 when it says not to give that which is holy unto the dogs. Whatever the "dogs" means here I'm not going to speculate since it might be a too sensitive topic to talk about. But whoever it's referring to, it looks like that which is holy (which would be the gospel) should not be given unto them.

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." Matthew 7:6

This verse does not teach that you should hate them. Historically dogs and swine were considered unclean animals at the time of this writing but here the verse is comparing the wicked to these animals so they are not literally dogs. Even Jesus told the disciples to shake the dust of their sandals if people rejected them. However, six verses later Matthew is clear that we should treat people the same way that you want them to treat you.

““In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”
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Lukaris · Thursday at 12:41 PM

The summation of the law and prophets is to love God and neighbor and treat others likewise ( see Matthew 22:36-40, Matthew 7:12 per Matthew 7:1-12). We can’t live up to this and we need the Lord as our Savior who tells us to live by in Him what we cannot live up to ourselves ( this is much of Romans 3:1-31, see Romans 3:21-26 & Romans 3:31. The basic daily living life aspect is preached in Romans 13:1-14 ( note Romans 13:8-10).

Chaplain Jim · Thursday at 12:42 PM

Lost Witness said:
None of us DESERVE the Lord

Amen and Amen!

Delvianna · Thursday at 1:01 PM

Not everything mentioned in the bible makes it morally okay. Was it morally okay when Lot's daughters had sex with their father? Absolutely not. You have to remember that people are corrupt and only what God teaches is perfect, righteous and correct.

So Jesus said:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. - Matthew 5:43-48

Also, Paul says:

"Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice."
— Ephesians 4:31

So no, hatred isn't condoned in scripture and it's not okay.

Remember:

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. - Romans 5:8

Don't be like the pharisees who considered themselves more holy than others. That's the kind of pride the bible warns comes before the fall.

"For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted." - Luke 18:14
"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." - Proverbs 16:18

Desk trauma · Thursday at 3:21 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
So what people would fall into this category of people that deserve no love? The enemies of God. The LGBTQ people for certain. The false prophets. The atheists, at least most of them. The list could continue

Mr Phelps?

Yarddog · Thursday at 4:28 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
They don't deserve the gospel. It's literally that simple.

No one deserves the Gospel.

Chaplain Jim · Thursday at 4:41 PM

Yarddog said:
No one deserves the Gospel.

True that. :pray:

Tropical Wilds · Thursday at 5:25 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
Too often people talk about the idea that all people should be accepted and loved and that hatred is bad. This is completely wrong when we take scripture into consideration.

Psalms 139:21 says, "Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?"

What we can see from this specific scripture is that the guy is asking God, "do not I hate them..." like asking for validation that he's doing something right. Hatred is a good thing and if you have absolutely no hatred towards anyone, you are not certainly walking in the Spirit and you're not following the Bible.

Further on verse 22 the passage continues, "I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies."

Now in this verse hatred described here is even deeper than just any normal hatred or negative emotion. With "perfect hatred" he is saying that the people that he hates deserve no love.

From this scripture we can see how serious it is when people are haters or enemies of God. They should not be treated with love, patience, longsuffering, none of that. Sometimes people literally deserve no love and this is proven by scripture. The more you think about this the more you would realize that you should start hating people more and not be like a Pontius Pilate who want's to be on everyone's side. Even from a human perspective, you could conclude that hatred in and of itself should not be bad if God gave people emotions, hatred being one of them. God would not create something bad that shouldn't exist.

So what people would fall into this category of people that deserve no love? The enemies of God. The LGBTQ people for certain. The false prophets. The atheists, at least most of them. The list could continue.

How lovely.

BibleBeliever1611 · Thursday at 5:40 PM

Yarddog said:
No one deserves the Gospel.

Did you pat yourself on the back after coming up with such a clever comeback? The gospel should not be preached unto them. That's what they don't deserve (hopefully that clarifies).

Delvianna said:
Not everything mentioned in the bible makes it morally okay. Was it morally okay when Lot's daughters had sex with their father? Absolutely not. You have to remember that people are corrupt and only what God teaches is perfect, righteous and correct.

It's funny that right after saying that he hates his enemies he continues by saying:

"Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting."

Are you saying that he's now tempting God to search him if there be any wicked way in him right after he said something wicked? Think of how weird that would be. It's not a story like Lot's daughters, the book of Psalms is specifically meant to be a song book. You're supposed to sing this and in fact there is a song from this Psalm.

Delvianna · Thursday at 6:22 PM

BibleBeliever1611 said:
It's funny that right after saying that he hates his enemies he continues by saying:

"Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting."

Are you saying that he's now tempting God to search him if there be any wicked way in him right after he said something wicked? Think of how weird that would be. It's not a story like Lot's daughters, the book of Psalms is specifically meant to be a song book. You're supposed to sing this and in fact there is a song from this Psalm.

So you're saying David's Psalm is correct and Jesus's words aren't? You can't have both, so which is it?

BibleBeliever1611 · Thursday at 7:59 PM

Delvianna said:
So you're saying David's Psalm is correct and Jesus's words aren't? You can't have both, so which is it?

So why does God send his enemies to be roasting in hell fire forever? Is God following his own commands? Obviously they are both true. But you can find contradictions in the Bible if you want to play dumb and have no intention of understanding it.

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