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Boston University history department advertises DEI commitment, hosts classes on ‘White Supremacist Thought’ and ‘Black Power’
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While I would question how balanced the reporting is from this source (I've seen their stuff before, and it's extremely one-sided), even if it's half true, this isn't surprising.
Many in that academic realm have basically built their entire personality and purpose in life around those themes, and in order for the existence of such departments/courses to "make sense", they basically have to play make-believe and operate on the flimsy premise things are just as bad now as they were in the 60's in order to justify their own existence.
When in reality, society (mostly organically) made great strides in areas of minority rights from 1970-2010. However, if they acknowledged that, then everyone would reach the logical conclusion of "well, if we made more progress before your departments even existed, then what exactly do we need your department for??"
So they have to pretend that we've made no progress. And they do so by constantly shifting the goalposts and constantly finding a "new thing" that the majority of society is uncomfortable with to rally around, and use society's discomfort as evidence that "we've got a long way to go", and "this is exactly why need our areas of study and need us to educate you".
Many in that academic realm have basically built their entire personality and purpose in life around those themes, and in order for the existence of such departments/courses to "make sense", they basically have to play make-believe and operate on the flimsy premise things are just as bad now as they were in the 60's in order to justify their own existence.
When in reality, society (mostly organically) made great strides in areas of minority rights from 1970-2010. However, if they acknowledged that, then everyone would reach the logical conclusion of "well, if we made more progress before your departments even existed, then what exactly do we need your department for??"
So they have to pretend that we've made no progress. And they do so by constantly shifting the goalposts and constantly finding a "new thing" that the majority of society is uncomfortable with to rally around, and use society's discomfort as evidence that "we've got a long way to go", and "this is exactly why need our areas of study and need us to educate you".
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When trying to understand the concept and history of white supremacy, it might be good to (I dunno) have seasoned professional sociologists put together some sort of systematic review into a cohesive presentation.
How is this “destroying America”?
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If anyone doubts information, even information that is not published by the major media establishment, with today's tools it is not hard to check:
"The Boston University History Department recognizes and mourns the long history of racial injustice that has left deep scars on our society and which continues to manifest in horrific incidents of racial violence, including the very recent murders of Black men and women at the hands of police."
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Why is this “wrong”?If anyone doubts information, even information that is not published by the major media establishment, with today's tools it is not hard to check:
"The Boston University History Department recognizes and mourns the long history of racial injustice that has left deep scars on our society and which continues to manifest in horrific incidents of racial violence, including the very recent murders of Black men and women at the hands of police."
Please explain your thinking in great detail, for I truly want to know why you think the Boston University History Department is doing disservice to its students and the general public by…STUDYING HISTORY.
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If it was purely for informational purposes, that would be fine.
However, to elaborate on my previous post, how is it that these programs have seemingly led to the younger college crowd getting it in their heads that things are just as bad now as they were in the 60s, so much so, that they have a duty to tear down all of the existing systems and radically reshape them?
It was just a few years ago when people were labelling voter id rules as "Jim Crow 2.0", and "it's a trans genocide if you don't let males play in female sports", and "the fact that we we don't have free government-funded XYZ is evidence we're in late stage capitalism" and "every outcome that's not perfectly equitable has to be looked at under an intersectional lens"
Is the goal to actually inform, or is the goal to give young impressionable college kids the notion that this is somehow the worst time to be alive and that radical change and a "complete re-think of society" is needed? Because a lot of them seem to be exiting the halls of academia with the latter idea.
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Campus Reform must be struggling to find content if they're reporting on DEI statements that were put up 5 years ago.
Also, these are history classes. The "Black Power" one is about the history of Black Studies as a discipline:
The "White Supremacy" one is about the history of racial attitudes in the US and Europe:
I don't know how one could argue that this is an inappropriate subject of study (especially at the 500-level) given that white sumpremacist ideology was a significant factor in centuries of public policy and at least two massive wars (as well as many smaller ones).
Also, these are history classes. The "Black Power" one is about the history of Black Studies as a discipline:
The "White Supremacy" one is about the history of racial attitudes in the US and Europe:
I don't know how one could argue that this is an inappropriate subject of study (especially at the 500-level) given that white sumpremacist ideology was a significant factor in centuries of public policy and at least two massive wars (as well as many smaller ones).
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The tactic is to label any mention of race as "racism".Campus Reform must be struggling to find content if they're reporting on DEI statements that were put up 5 years ago.
Also, these are history classes. The "Black Power" one is about the history of Black Studies as a discipline:
The "White Supremacy" one is about the history of racial attitudes in the US and Europe:
I don't know how one could argue that this is an inappropriate subject of study (especially at the 500-level) given that white sumpremacist ideology was a significant factor in centuries of public policy and at least two massive wars (as well as many smaller ones).
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Teaching the concept of vigilance to retain victories won, and continuing the imperfect quest for justice in the present should be discouraged?
Why?
Who does that serve?
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Depending on how it's done and the tone with which it's discussed, it can lead audiences to two very different perceptions.
1 - "hey, here's the safeguards we need to make sure we don't lose and mistakes we should be careful to not repeat"
vs.
2 - "tear it all down, capitalism sucks, western democracy sucks, all of our norms and institutions are just colonialist constructs we should scrap and do-over"
I don't know that I've encountered anyone who's had any real objections to #1.
The fact that we have so many in that age group overtly advocating for Marxism leads me to believe that it's drifted too far toward #2.
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Uh huh.
Short of an actual revolution, “tear-it-all-down” is impotent rhetoric and can be dismissed (or contained)…the place that Western Civilizations have done this “containment” is at universities. Taking that bastion away forces such rhetoric into the streets and can infect the hoi pollloi.
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Is it being contained at universities?, or are universities where it's being fomented?
All of the younger people I know personally (be it family, or acquaintances I know through other friends) didn't have those ideas in the first place until they went to college.
It's hardly a containment mechanism if some of the professors are the ones putting ideas in their heads in the first place.
College used to be the place where people went to have their viewpoints balanced out, rounded, and moderated regardless of which half of the spectrum they started out on. But that hasn't been the case recently.
Now college is just the place to go to turn conservatives into liberals, and liberals into leftists.
The days of college "sanding off the rough edges on both sides of the lumber" ended a few years after I graduated.
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Maybe knowledge of reality favors that outcome? Especially given how much contemporary consvervatism is fear based rather than reason based.
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Knowledge of reality could favor outcomes in certain sciences (for instance, it perfectly reasonable that a hardcore climate denier may leave with a different viewpoint than they had going in)
But the ideas that a lot of the youngsters are espousing about "every westernized cultural/social norm is colonialist and wrong, and here's why we should be socialist, and here's why we need to smash the patriarchy" has little to do with attaining objective knowledge, and more to do with being inculcated with opinions that are parading as enlightenment, leveraging credentialism as their buttress.
Or, in plain terms.
They started operating on the premise:
"Opinion on subjective topic" + "Degree in the soft sciences/humanities" = "Knowledge"
A person with a PhD in Chemistry who can accurately observe, test, and explain chemical reactions and convey it to others has knowledge.
A person with a Philosophy degree and conveys their viewpoints on subjective topics to an audience in exchange for course credits has opinions.
I'd also push back on your latter sentiment suggesting that contemporary conservatism is fear based (as to imply that's more specific to them than their counterpart)
I'd argue that progressives use just as much (if not more) fear-based language to make emotional appeals for their positions than conservatives do.
"It'll be the end of democracy and a decline into fascism"
"Women will be dying in back alley abortions and things will be like Handmaid's Tale"
"It's Jim Crow 2.0"
"It's a Trans Genocide"
"Insert <all of the polar bears will be dead and Florida will be underwater by 20XX style argument> here"
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So... one of the selling points of a Liberal Arts education was supposed to be that it produced more well-rounded individuals as opposed to purely vocational training.
If that's not happening anymore, then it undercuts the main selling point and is worthy of evaluation and critique.
If all it's accomplishing is producing people who are solidly left (and some aren't even employable), then what exactly is the value-added?
"it's not the way it used to be" is a valid complaint if the "new way" is worse, and doesn't produce better outcomes.
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