Trump clashes with ‘Meet the Press’ interviewer, calls outlet ‘crooked’ before ending segment

FreeinChrist · Tuesday at 10:38 AM

Tuur said:
Meanwhile, we're to accept on faith that there's absolutely no shenanigans because they said they aren't? Just like that time in Georgia where ballots surfaced that put a gubernatorial candidate over the top and, per the voting list, everyone cast their ballots in alphabetical order? (Candidate's name was Gene Talmadge, if you care to look into that). No charges were ever filed in that, BTW, so by the measure seen here, we can't accept that something funny was going in. They were filed in another case where people were doing what we're told people never do, and there were convictions in that.

Can't vouch for the story of irregularities in Chicago that helped in Nixon's defeat in 1960. Nixon decided not to pursue it. Just like I can't vouch for a couple of scandalous accounts of other shenanigans as they would be categorized as hearsay. When you have some relatives in politics, you grow up hearing the most interesting stories.

Nixon and Republicans questioned the results in Chicago which Kennedy won by a lot and it involved paper ballots, and not mail in voting. Paper ballots had issues too. Remember Florida and the hanging chads in 2000?
I suspect there were election irregularities in the South during Jim Crow that had nothing to do with mail in ballots.

Tuur said:
I did see the video footage, on a news broadcast, of a mechanical vote counting machine that gave different results each time the ballots ran through it. That was back in the 1970s.

Bottom line is that, while it may not be visible far away in Australia, the election process in the US isn't squeaky clean. which is why we had court ordered FBI poll observers in some places some years ago. This goes back long before Trump even thought about running.

Is this proof of fraud in California? No, although I suspect any proof wouldn't be considered proof enough in some circles. What it does mean is that fraud is possible. Just because Trump says there is doesn't mean there isn't, which seems to be the main thing going on in this thread.

Mail voting fraud: Data points to low risk and high benefits for voters | Brookings

Analysis finds mail voting fraud in the U.S. is exceedingly rare and shows universal vote-by-mail boosts access, turnout, and cost efficiency.

www.brookings.edu

Our analysis cross-references cases of mail voting fraud with an analysis of each state’s mail voting system to determine what percentage of the very small total amount of mail voting fraud comes from excuse absentee, no-excuse absentee, and universal vote-by-mail voting systems.

As our analysis focuses on four of the five most recent general elections (2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022),7 we relied on records of cases from the Heritage Foundation’s database. Each case entry involved one individual who had been charged with a type of election fraud.

First, we find that cases of fraud involving any form of mail ballots were very rare. Across the entire country, and utilizing a maximally inclusive estimate, between six and 46 cases of mail voting fraud were identified in each general election. ......

Servus · Tuesday at 10:54 AM

FreeinChrist said:
Nope. California took 6 days, not weeks.
Texas elections usually have results in 48 hours but they are not completely counted till the military, provisional and late mail votes are counted and that takes several more days. Texas allows mail in ballots but one needs to give a reason for it. I lived in Texas for 4 years or so and had to do a mail in ballot for the 2016 election. Unlike Arizona, they did not have a way to check the status of that ballot, like did it arrive, was the signature approved, was it counted?

I read it takes up to 30 days to finalize counting in California. But maybe it was they have a 30 window.

Say it aint so · Tuesday at 10:56 AM

Valletta said:
Trump clashes with 'Meet the Press' interviewer, calls outlet 'crooked' before ending segment

An exchange between President Donald Trump and NBC's Kristin Welker became heated in a "Meet the Press" interview.

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She flat out lied about J6. I saw recordings of the Shaman being escorted around. Trump tells her to watch the tapes and she showed no interest. "Crooked" for her network and for her was an accurate description.

False. From the Shawman himself:

HERE You should actually read it.

Trying to talk those who illegal entered the building is not escorting them through the building.

7thKeeper · Tuesday at 10:57 AM

Servus said:
Surely there's all kinds of excuses for why it takes California a month to do what Texas can do in a day.

Well, for one, it hasn't been a month. Not sure why you'd lie so blatantly on a forum dedicated to a faith with a commandment against that. And second, yes, Texas is sloppy and allows voting fraud to go through.

essentialsaltes · Tuesday at 10:58 AM

We went through all this 'delay' nonsense back in 2020, when people were insisting that media calls were unofficial and unreliable, and that the election wasn't over until the results were certified, which took some states more than a month to do. States have their rules and processes and audits, and it takes time.

(Then it wasn't over until the official counting of the electoral votes, and we saw how that went.)

FreeinChrist · Tuesday at 11:03 AM

Servus said:
I read it takes up to 30 days to finalize counting in California. But maybe it was they have a 30 window.

Most states take a long to to finalize votes .

I don't see anything where speediest = more accurate.

Say it aint so · Tuesday at 11:03 AM

The recent interview is how Trump needs to be called to the carpet and not allowed to steamroll reporters with false claims.
Recall the Barbara Walters interview back when reporters were reporters.

Servus · Tuesday at 11:04 AM

7thKeeper said:
Well, for one, it hasn't been a month. Not sure why you'd lie so blatantly on a forum dedicated to a faith with a commandment against that. And second, yes, Texas is sloppy and allows voting fraud to go through.

Take a look at the post above yours. It says:

Servus said:
I read it takes up to 30 days to finalize counting in California. But maybe it was they have a 30 window.

At worst I made a mistake. You are bearing false witness against me. Which is braking commandment number 9.

Servus · Tuesday at 11:08 AM

FreeinChrist said:
Most states take a long to to finalize votes .

I don't see anything where speediest = more accurate.

When I did a search for what state takes the longest to count votes, it brought up a bunch of news articles about California taking a long time to count votes. Thus probably many suspect rigging is going on.

FreeinChrist · Tuesday at 11:11 AM

Suspicion is not proof. Trump et al. like to thrown out unsupported claims of "rigged" and "crooked" with NO evidence. That is all this is.
California has laws and those counting have to follow them. Accuracy is more important than speed.

7thKeeper · Tuesday at 11:23 AM

Servus said:
Take a look at the post above yours. It says:

At worst I made a mistake. You are bearing false witness against me. Which is braking commandment number 9.

No, still doesn't count. Because you'd still be wrong, for Texas, the certification timeline is about the same as stated for California, which is the month you talked about. State level certification has to occur within 30 days, 38 for California. So it doesn't take Texas a day to do what California does in a month. At best, Texas does in a few weeks what California does in a few more.

The problem here is that you are fudging different numbers that mean different things and then trying to compare them in a manner that makes Texas look better. And don't take into consideration differences like California having do manual audits after by law before the election can be certified while Texas requires no such thing. And that Texas does most of it's voting in person and not by mail ballot which also speeds things up. But no, let's just ignore all these things and just make up vague accusations of something being fishy.

Servus · Tuesday at 11:27 AM

7thKeeper said:
No, still doesn't count. Because you'd still be wrong, for Texas, the certification timeline is about the same as stated for California, which is the month you talked about. State level certification has to occur within 30 days, 38 for California. So it doesn't take Texas a day to do what California does in a month. At best, Texas does in a few weeks what California does in a few more.

The problem here is that you are fudging different numbers that mean different things and then trying to compare them in a manner that makes Texas look better. And don't take into consideration differences like California having do manual audits after by law before the election can be certified while Texas requires no such thing. And that Texas does most of it's voting in person and not by mail ballot which also speeds things up. But no, let's just ignore all these things and just make up vague accusations of something being fishy.

Being wrong does not equate to being a liar. You falsely accused me of being a liar. You should apologize for it. Until then I'm not really interested in what you have to say.

FreeinChrist · Tuesday at 12:11 PM

A reporter goes to ballot counting center for LA county

Valletta · Tuesday at 12:54 PM

FreeinChrist said:
Nixon and Republicans questioned the results in Chicago which Kennedy won by a lot and it involved paper ballots, and not mail in voting. Paper ballots had issues too. Remember Florida and the hanging chads in 2000?
I suspect there were election irregularities in the South during Jim Crow that had nothing to do with mail in ballots.

Mail voting fraud: Data points to low risk and high benefits for voters | Brookings

Analysis finds mail voting fraud in the U.S. is exceedingly rare and shows universal vote-by-mail boosts access, turnout, and cost efficiency.

www.brookings.edu

Our analysis cross-references cases of mail voting fraud with an analysis of each state’s mail voting system to determine what percentage of the very small total amount of mail voting fraud comes from excuse absentee, no-excuse absentee, and universal vote-by-mail voting systems.

As our analysis focuses on four of the five most recent general elections (2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022),7 we relied on records of cases from the Heritage Foundation’s database. Each case entry involved one individual who had been charged with a type of election fraud.

First, we find that cases of fraud involving any form of mail ballots were very rare. Across the entire country, and utilizing a maximally inclusive estimate, between six and 46 cases of mail voting fraud were identified in each general election. ......

There's a lot of wrongdoing, little of it qualifies to the legal terms of fraud. What's go on, what is so obvious to the Washington Post editorial board and so many of us, is a setup for wrongdoing.

Valletta · Tuesday at 1:00 PM

Bradskii said:
I'm not the slightest bit interested in what you think can happen, or might happen or could happen. But we'll note that we've already slid from 'Trump lied when he said he had evidence' to you not denying that he said it or that there is no evidence (you can't, because he did and there isn't) but saying 'But hey, they could rig the election. They might, you know, rig it'.

Guess what. He didn't throw a hissy fit because he was asked about his opinion about what he thought might be the possibility of rigged elections. He was asked about the evidence he said he had that it had been rigged. And he's got a big fat nothing. He's batting 63-zip on the federal election, so don't you be putting any of your hard earned on any chance that he's going to reverse that absolutely abysmal record.

Which is actually beside the point. He said he has evidence. He is lying. And he didn't like being asked to back up his lies.

Actually she kept with the line about "no evidence" which has been debunked. I understand your stated lack of interest, but many American citizens are interested. We have to have observers who can see what's going on and have their complaints acted upon. Those that oppose this, those who create chaos in election, are doing it deliberately so they have the opportunities if the election doesn't go their way.

Akita Suggagaki · Tuesday at 1:09 PM

Valletta said:
Actually she kept with the line about "no evidence" which has been debunked.

By who? What evidence are you siting?

FreeinChrist · Tuesday at 1:56 PM

Valletta said:
There's a lot of wrongdoing, little of it qualifies to the legal terms of fraud. What's go on, what is so obvious to the Washington Post editorial board and so many of us, is a setup for wrongdoing.

The Washington Post is not the reputable paper it once was. The staff has changed since Bezos bought it. He supports Trump.
It is an opinion and that is all. The suspicions of Trump supporters is not proof.

I already posted this link but it is worth posting again. I take the view of a company that did actual research and has data about mail in ballots over suspicions and Trump's false accusations.

Mail voting fraud: Data points to low risk and high benefits for voters | Brookings

Analysis finds mail voting fraud in the U.S. is exceedingly rare and shows universal vote-by-mail boosts access, turnout, and cost efficiency.

www.brookings.edu

First, we find that cases of fraud involving any form of mail ballots were very rare. Across the entire country, and utilizing a maximally inclusive estimate, between six and 46 cases of mail voting fraud were identified in each general election.

How much fraud was there in the Jim Crow period involving whites in control to limit black voters?

FreeinChrist · Tuesday at 2:06 PM

Valletta said:
Actually she kept with the line about "no evidence" which has been debunked. ...

Nope, it was not. Post the evidence. Even Guiliani, when asked by a judge, had to say there was no evidence related to the 2020 election.
If there had been evidence, he would have provided it before they took his law license away.

So would the other lawyers who argued that there was fraud in 2020

Sidney Powell - look at what happened to her:
Goggle AI

Georgia Plea Deal: In October 2023, she pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to intentionally interfere with election duties regarding a plot to breach voting machines in Coffee County. She received six years of probation, paid fines, and agreed to testify against co-defendants. [1, 2, 3]
Disciplinary Action: She has successfully fought off compulsory disbarment in Texas, with an appeals court ruling that her misdemeanor convictions do not automatically warrant the loss of her law license. [1, 2]
Defamation Lawsuits: She was sued by Dominion Voting Systems, which resulted in Fox News settling for $787.5 million. She also faced professional sanctions in Michigan from a federal court, which the U.S. Supreme Court declined to review. [1, 2, 3]

John Eastman was disbarred in California for being guilty of 10 legal and ethical charges .

Rudy Giuliani was disbarred in NY and lost a huge lawsuit to 2 Georgia election workers that he lied about.

It is misinformation to claim that there was evidence of fraud in 2020. Trump behaved badly in losing.

essentialsaltes · Tuesday at 2:40 PM

Now here's a media outlet that knows how to treat the president properly.

President Donald Trump received a massive reaction from a sold-out crowd at Madison Square Garden for Game 3 of the NBA Finals between the New York Knicks and San Antonio Spurs on Monday night.

The president was shown on the big screen alongside granddaughter Kai Trump and Knicks owner James Dolan

Pommer · Tuesday at 2:58 PM

Valletta said:
There's a lot of wrongdoing, little of it qualifies to the legal terms of fraud. What's go on, what is so obvious to the Washington Post editorial board and so many of us, is a setup for wrongdoing.

What “wrongdoings” are actually happening?

Are Republicans in California “in on it”?

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