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You mean the Jewish converts who only had the Old Testament heard read in the Temple and Synagogues and the oral tradition of the Apostles?
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The early church does not change what the Bible says. Some things are only clear in hindsight.
For example, I have NEVER seen a good supersessionist argument for Romans 11:28-29. I don't believe a fair reading of the text allows for the Church replacing Israel. Of course, if you go in with the PRESUPPOSITION that the church as a whole cannot err, then you will always go to your interpretation rather than what the Bible plainly says. We are living in historic times. The regathering of the nation of Israel is literally prophecy being fulfilled before our eyes, and many Christians turn a blind eye to what they see, even hating the Jewish people because of what the "early Church" said.
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From my perspective on hermeneutics, I'd think that the Church would affirm Jesus' Jewish roots because of "historical contexts" rather than denying it or ignoring it.
But I know, there's unfortunately a dozen different ways Christians are reading and interpreting the Bible these days.
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Chrysostom basically had the position of "All Israel will be saved, but until then, they are a great obstacle, and we should vehemently oppose them."
The time is now.
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What are you talking about?
Honest question.
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We can talk about whatever you’d like in private message!!!
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The NT is not all of the oral tradition from the Apostles. They spent months and years establishing the Churches, teaching them the faith. They wrote very little.
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And some things are plainly false, like your claim that Easter has pagan origins.
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The first Christians were Jews. The Gospel was taken to the Jews first, then later to the Gentiles. Salvation is from the Jews.
I believe all of that. What you claim I believe is your own false opinion.
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But you don't believe it is true today, which is my point and my whole point in this thread. You have demonstrated rather explicitly the exact thing I set out to show.
Let the people decide for themselves who is right between you and me. I do not need to argue anymore. You have made my case for me.
There is nothing you can draw from in the Bible that says that "To the Jew first" was only for the first century. It does not exist in the Bible, and Paul's letters and the book of Acts attest to this fact.
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Romans 10:14-17 CSB17
"How, then, can they call on him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about him? And how can they hear without a preacher? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news. But not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, Lord, who has believed our message? So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the message about Christ."
This is NOT talking about a Jew simply getting saved. It is about the fact that we need evangelists to evangelize to the Jews, in fact, "To the Jews first." "To the Jew first" is about evangelizing Jews. Yet, you discard this and oppose the Jews. That is why I say you do not believe the verse. When a verse is about evangelizing Jews, and you say to oppose the Jews, then that is a direct contradiction to scripture.
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My Church has been in Israel since the beginning, witnessing to the Jews, and has suffered persecution and martyrdom in response.
Perhaps I should rephrase my response to "opposing Judaism" rather than "opposing Jews". Modern Judaism was born out of the Pharisaic tradition which has ever stood in opposition to Christ since the destruction of the Temple.
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