what does this verse mean?

David1701 · Jun 7, 2026

timothyu said:
Yes and still laws that people say we no longer need follow, or so they think. Jesus gave them to us. He didn't cancel them out. They revolve around putting God's will ahead of our own, as does the Lord's prayer and the Bible from start to finish.

Christians are not under law (I'm not referring to civil law, which is a separate issue) - full stop.

Yes, there are New Covenant commands; but, they are not on a legal basis. We died to the law, when Christ died on the cross, which freed us to live by being led by the Holy Spirit, instead of having a legal obligation to keep a set of rules, with fixed penalties for disobedience.

If we disobey a New Covenant command, then the Lord will discipline us; but, not like a judge pronouncing sentence on a criminal (which is what it's like under law); rather, it's like a loving father training his children.

timothyu · Jun 7, 2026

David1701 said:
Christians are not under law (I'm not referring to civil law, which is a separate issue) - full stop.

Oh. I guess Jesus made a mistake in making those commandments/laws

David1701 · Jun 7, 2026

timothyu said:
Oh. I guess Jesus made a mistake in making those commandments/laws

Jesus' New Covenant commands are not on a legal basis, so I guess the mistake is yours.

timothyu · Jun 7, 2026

Seriously? They are a condensed version of the 10 and expound upon what is said in the bible from beginning to end that we are to put God’s will ahead of our own and live according to those two commandments. Follow them or he never knew you.

David1701 · Jun 7, 2026

timothyu said:
Seriously? They are a condensed version of the 10 and expound upon what is said in the bible from beginning to end that we are to put God’s will ahead of our own and live according to those two commandments. Follow them or he never knew you.

Do you honestly not understand the difference between commands given on a legal basis and commands given on the basis of a family relationship (father - children)?

timothyu · Jun 7, 2026

They are all the same commands. How people want too interpret to avoid following them is up to them but it doesn’t change what it says

Aaron112 · Jun 8, 2026

timothyu said:
They are all the same commands. How people want too interpret to avoid following them is up to them but it doesn’t change what it says

His Word is Perfect, Enlightening the soul. Encouraging, Healing, Unchanged and Unchanging. His Word Never Changes.
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interpretations change every day ... even of the word interpret ....

Christ's Bride · Jun 8, 2026

David1701 said:
Do you honestly not understand the difference between commands given on a legal basis and commands given on the basis of a family relationship (father - children)?

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.#458

#458 anomia: Lawlessness, iniquity, transgression

until Christ returns and "opens" the Book THE MANY will not, can not understand their "lawlessness"

it is the MANY - not the Few - and what do the churches of the MANY teach lawlessness - iniquity

"Do you honestly not understand the difference between commands given on a legal basis and commands given on the basis of a family relationship"

do not commit adultery or lie or murder or worship idols ---while you are in a family based relationship ???

if you do ----- you will never enter the Kingdom. sounds "kind of" legal -- TO ME

Who is it that Satan has deceived?? THE MANY 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me. is this a legal or family scripture? and is Christ really going to slay the lawless, those that will not allow Christ to tell them how they are to live?

Christ's Bride · Jun 8, 2026

Christ's Bride said:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.#458

#458 anomia: Lawlessness, iniquity, transgression

until Christ returns and "opens" the Book THE MANY will not, can not understand their "lawlessness"

it is the MANY - not the Few - and what do the churches of the MANY teach lawlessness - iniquity

"Do you honestly not understand the difference between commands given on a legal basis and commands given on the basis of a family relationship"

do not commit adultery or lie or murder or worship idols ---while you are in a family based relationship ???

if you do ----- you will never enter the Kingdom. sounds "kind of" legal -- TO ME

Who is it that Satan has deceived?? THE MANY 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me. is this a legal or family scripture? and is Christ really going to slay the lawless, those that will not allow Christ to tell them how they are to live?

Christ's Bride · Jun 8, 2026

Christ's Bride said:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.#458

#458 anomia: Lawlessness, iniquity, transgression

until Christ returns and "opens" the Book THE MANY will not, can not understand their "lawlessness"

it is the MANY - not the Few - and what do the churches of the MANY teach lawlessness - iniquity

"Do you honestly not understand the difference between commands given on a legal basis and commands given on the basis of a family relationship"

do not commit adultery or lie or murder or worship idols ---while you are in a family based relationship ???

if you do ----- you will never enter the Kingdom. sounds "kind of" legal -- TO ME

Who is it that Satan has deceived?? THE MANY 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me. is this a legal or family scripture? and is Christ really going to slay the lawless, those that will not allow Christ to tell them how they are to live?

it will be interesting to see how David "words' his way around this. But he will!

Christ's Bride · Jun 8, 2026

David1701 said:
Jesus' New Covenant commands are not on a legal basis, so I guess the mistake is yours.

not legal?? meaning if you transgress they do not carry the penalty of eternal death??

Are you saying I can now sleep with as many women as I want and there will be no penalty? as long as it is done in a family setting?

Christ's Bride · Jun 8, 2026

David1701 said:
Do you honestly not understand the difference between commands given on a legal basis and commands given on the basis of a family relationship (father - children)?

David, I am not your enemy! for close to 90 years I have live in this evil lawless world, I have seen things I never want to ever see again.

HOLY Righteous Law is our protection. The Perfect Way of peace. yes it is a narrow way!

If God the Father and Jesus Christ would not put to death for EVER the Lawless -- I do not want life.
I am sick of watching loved ones suffer for living contrary to the Perfection of Jesus Christ, and I have suffered myself for living contrary to the Perfect Way. Too many times!!!

Christ came to demonstrate it is possible to Live by the Torah, but only by the Power of the HOLY Spirit in a person.
Why did they, we, kill Him? because HE was the perfection of Righteousness which no human could ever ever reach.
humans are 100% evil. 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good?
[there is] none good but one, [that is], God:
but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

define evil without the commandments

whatdoesthisversemean · Jun 8, 2026

David Lamb said:
I wouldn't say that grace is the life of God, but it is because of His grace that God grants sinners eternal life. Thanks for the reply.

what does "quickend" mean?
eph 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
eph 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

thks

whatdoesthisversemean · Jun 8, 2026

David1701 said:
Grace is favour shown to someone who does not merit it.

1 cor 13:1-8

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

what is this Charity?

qualities:

1 cor 13:2 this charity required
1 cor 13:7 this charity believes
1 coe 13:8 this love never fails

the virtue of charity is different

1 cor 13:3 refers to the virtue of charity

thks

whatdoesthisversemean · Jun 8, 2026

David1701 said:
What do you mean by "2 laws"?

how do they know what the listing of the ten commandments is?

thks

whatdoesthisversemean · Jun 8, 2026

David1701 said:
Christians are not under law (I'm not referring to civil law, which is a separate issue) - full stop.

Yes, there are New Covenant commands; but, they are not on a legal basis. We died to the law, when Christ died on the cross, which freed us to live by being led by the Holy Spirit, instead of having a legal obligation to keep a set of rules, with fixed penalties for disobedience.

If we disobey a New Covenant command, then the Lord will discipline us; but, not like a judge pronouncing sentence on a criminal (which is what it's like under law); rather, it's like a loving father training his children.

Romans 7:6
But now we are delivered from thelaw, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness ofthe letter.
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the lawmight be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
thks

David1701 · Jun 8, 2026

Christ's Bride said:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.#458

#458 anomia: Lawlessness, iniquity, transgression

until Christ returns and "opens" the Book THE MANY will not, can not understand their "lawlessness"

it is the MANY - not the Few - and what do the churches of the MANY teach lawlessness - iniquity

"Do you honestly not understand the difference between commands given on a legal basis and commands given on the basis of a family relationship"

do not commit adultery or lie or murder or worship idols ---while you are in a family based relationship ???

if you do ----- you will never enter the Kingdom. sounds "kind of" legal -- TO ME

Who is it that Satan has deceived?? THE MANY 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me. is this a legal or family scripture? and is Christ really going to slay the lawless, those that will not allow Christ to tell them how they are to live?

To be lawless is to do what one wants, instead of being submitted to the will of God. It's not so much transgression of law, as without law.

In the case of a born again Christian (the only genuine variety), God's commands are written on his heart, and he cannot go on practising sin, because he has a new heart/spirit (c.f. Ez. 36:26,27).

The people Jesus was speaking to, who said, "Lord, Lord...", were not born again. They were fake Christians, who were not new creations in Christ, but mere professors of religion. They claimed to have done mighty works for the Lord, but they did not bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit (and that's the evidence of a regenerate person - love, joy, peace, gentleness, faith, etc.).

Re. the enemies who were not willing that the Lord should reign over them: they also do not have God's commands written in their hearts; in fact, they hate God.

The familial relationship I spoke of, refers to God being our loving heavenly Father, and us being his loving children. It refers to those to whom God has given a new heart/spirit (a.k.a. being regenerated or born again/born from above), who have repented and believed in Jesus Christ unto salvation. These people cannot continue to live a life of sin, and we do not (although we do commit some acts of sin, it no longer characterises our lives).

Ez. 36:26,27 (W.E.B.)
26 I will also give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.
27 I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my ordinances, and do them.

1 John 3:8-10 (E.M.T.V.)
8 He who practises sin is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this reason the Son of God appeared, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 No-one who has been born of God practises sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Everyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

David1701 · Jun 8, 2026

whatdoesthisversemean said:
how do they know what the listing of the ten commandments is?

thks

Who are "they"?

The Bible tells us what the ten commandments are.

David1701 · Jun 8, 2026

whatdoesthisversemean said:
1 cor 13:1-8

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

what is this Charity?

qualities:

1 cor 13:2 this charity required
1 cor 13:7 this charity believes
1 coe 13:8 this love never fails

the virtue of charity is different

1 cor 13:3 refers to the virtue of charity

thks

Charity (in the old usage of the word, as in the K.J.V.) meant "love in action". It was used to translate "agape" love (self-sacrificial, unconditional love); and we should note that 1 Cor. 13 describes a higher level of love towards people than was demanded in the first of the ten commandments. The ten commandments said to love others as ourselves, but 1 Cor. 13 describes a love that is self-sacrificial, going above and beyond loving others as ourselves.

The law commanded love and righteousness, but did not produce it (in fact, it stirs up sin). God's grace in our hearts produces love and righteousness.

David1701 · Jun 8, 2026

Christ's Bride said:
not legal?? meaning if you transgress they do not carry the penalty of eternal death??

Are you saying I can now sleep with as many women as I want and there will be no penalty? as long as it is done in a family setting?

I was referring to our familial love from and to the Lord.

Of course there will be serious consequences, if you commit fornication/adultery! In fact, if you make a practise of such sin, it shows that you do not have a renewed heart.

If a genuine Christian succumbs to a temptation to commit fornication or adultery, then he will confess his sin to God and repent (and there could be serious practical consequences).

what does this verse mean?

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