My own theory on how life originated

Helg said:

I think maybe a bit like this: remnants of protein from plants in warm water in Africa, two strands of protein that combine and form a bond, the sun is always a "pressing" force, so from there you have the first "will". The will never gets stronger than this first bond unless the one who controls this will allows itself to grow stronger. Plants are life too, they feel their surroundings, so they have a soul too, animals and humans are just more intelligent, they don't necessarily sense more of their surroundings than plants do, but they think more.

Were there two protein bonds that made the first plant too, I don't really know, I would assume so, but maybe rather that there was something before protein. More advanced life requires protein to build a physical body, while plants may have something even simpler,


how does this view fit into the picture of a Creator and the first will?

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From the perspective of the biblical narrative in Genesis, it is God's Will that is sovereign over the material world and prompts life.

Helg said:

Is this God sort of the same as the feeling you have inside of someone listening, or outside our body?

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From what my minuscule mind can cobble together, it's the sort of God who exists eternally but, as Blaise Pascal noted, is hidden and beyond our ability to comprehesively analyze. This ends up meaning that we unfortunately won't be able to answer every question about 'how' God performs in the universe or by exactly which processes He invisibly distributes His Will.

Does that make any sense?

Helg said:

I think maybe a bit like this: remnants of protein from plants in warm water in Africa, two strands of protein that combine and form a bond, the sun is always a "pressing" force, so from there you have the first "will". The will never gets stronger than this first bond unless the one who controls this will allows itself to grow stronger. Plants are life too, they feel their surroundings, so they have a soul too, animals and humans are just more intelligent, they don't necessarily sense more of their surroundings than plants do, but they think more.

Were there two protein bonds that made the first plant too, I don't really know, I would assume so, but maybe rather that there was something before protein. More advanced life requires protein to build a physical body, while plants may have something even simpler,


how does this view fit into the picture of a Creator and the first will?

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I am no scientist, but the idea of two strands of protein possessing a "will" seems unlikely in the extreme. You say that plants feel their surroundings, so they must , in your view, have a soul. But a soul is not required to feel surroundings. I cannot think of anywhere in the Bible where we read that plants have souls.

Helg said:

Well, I`m not gonna try to analyse God, I often pray to him

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That's always a good place to start when any of us are on a journey to explore Christianity.

Helg said:

I think maybe a bit like this: remnants of protein from plants in warm water in Africa, two strands of protein that combine and form a bond, the sun is always a "pressing" force, so from there you have the first "will". The will never gets stronger than this first bond unless the one who controls this will allows itself to grow stronger. Plants are life too, they feel their surroundings, so they have a soul too, animals and humans are just more intelligent, they don't necessarily sense more of their surroundings than plants do, but they think more.

Were there two protein bonds that made the first plant too, I don't really know, I would assume so, but maybe rather that there was something before protein. More advanced life requires protein to build a physical body, while plants may have something even simpler,


how does this view fit into the picture of a Creator and the first will?

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God created everything...

I remember an evolutionary biologist mentioning that there are 20 amino acids that are crucial for the structure and function of proteins in all living organisms. Among these, nine amino acids are considered essential for humans. Basically, life was based on laws of form like codes rather than random mutations and NS.

Which makes sense as all creatures have the same basic body plans. Development and change is restricted to these forms.

You could say this was inherent in all life including bacteria.

But as far as how life originated. This is a different issue to how life evolves. Because first you have to have a way of creating life from non-life. Similar to something from nothing when it comes to the universe.

I am not too fussed with the mechanisms of how life came about and evolves. I believe God is the creator of everything. He is timeless and beyond space. I have no idea and I don't think anyone else does. Humans in their limited knowledge will deduce certain aspects and make assumptions. But we cannot fully know.

So therefore, there will always be a big chunk missing that will change how we see things. We see in part now but later we will see more fully. Which is also true in this world. If we look back 100 years ago our worldview was completely different. The same with the future. We are always revising and still will not know in full.

All the rationalizing about how life happened and evolved as to where God its and steps in is basically trying to fit Him in somewhere. We know God created everything, so He was involved. But how we do not know,

Certainly, I think the universe and life has Gods signature all over it. We don't need a degree for that. In fact, that may blur things. The bible says we all intuitive know of God's creation in the things that we see in nature. That's enough.

I think just proclaiming this as a testimony is all we need like with the psalms and prophets. Let people see the joy and belief that comes from the creator of all things. Which is in Christ.

I like the pictures from the JWT showing the cosmos in detail. Or a fetus glowing and growing in the womb. Even the workings of a cell and with Gods signature in the corner.

Helg said:

I think maybe a bit like this: remnants of protein from plants in warm water in Africa, two strands of protein that combine and form a bond, the sun is always a "pressing" force, so from there you have the first "will". The will never gets stronger than this first bond unless the one who controls this will allows itself to grow stronger. Plants are life too, they feel their surroundings, so they have a soul too, animals and humans are just more intelligent, they don't necessarily sense more of their surroundings than plants do, but they think more.

Were there two protein bonds that made the first plant too, I don't really know, I would assume so, but maybe rather that there was something before protein. More advanced life requires protein to build a physical body, while plants may have something even simpler,


how does this view fit into the picture of a Creator and the first will?

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If this is how it happened, an intelligent mind (a Creator) had to create those “remnants of protein from plants.” Or create whatever produced those proteins, or create whatever produced that, etc. You can push things back as far as you want, but there eventually has to be an uncaused Cause, because otherwise you have an infinite regress of causes, which is logically impossible and also doesn’t explain anything. That is how your scenario fits into the picture of a Creator.

Helg said:

My own theory on how life originated

I think maybe a bit like this: remnants of protein from plants …

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Oops. Plants are life. So it must have originated earlier than that.

Helg said:

Were there two protein bonds that made the first plant, too? I don't really know. I would assume so.

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If you are talking about the first self-organizing molecular structure—two organic molecules joining, stabilizing each other, and thereby becoming the primitive basis of life—then, yes, this is a decent picture of how life originated.

Helg said:

How does this view fit into the picture of a Creator and the first will?

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It works—except the Creator simply is the first will.

Nah, you would have to believe it's all just chemcial reactions & accidents, & at the end of the day, you don't actually believe that.

I always thought the idea that nothing existed and then it blew up to become everything which then organized itself into us to be unlikely. Here is an interesting article as a logic exercise to consider what it would be like to be God.

If You Were God

It has been an interesting thought experiment throughout the ages to ask oneself,”If I were king”,or “If I were president”... These thoughts are often a response to some egregious policy or law that one has to endure. These thoughts do not often go far as speculations as to how things might be made to work better are often abandoned in favor of more interesting thoughts. However, if one considers the broader scope of existence, one might gain a perspective that can shed some light on how we look at the universe in which we live

Speculation about what it would be like to be God does not even require one to believe in God at all. To consider the dynamics and mechanics of such a proposition is more an exercise in logic. However, it may also open the mind to possibilities not previously considered. Going beyond the idea that “I could get whatever I wanted”, one discovers possibilities and even limitations that can be intriguing.

If one had the ability to create an entire universe simply by speaking it into existence, one might discover there is a danger with such power. Those inclined to consumptive self-indulgence might soon discover that the desire to consume is a hunger that is never satisfied and that in chasing after such lusts, one tends to consume themselves. The bible can be a useful resource to shed some light on processes both celestial and terrestial.

Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.- James 4:3

In a way this admonition resonates with parents who recognize the wisdom in restricting the appetites of their children (wanting 100 ice cream cones is different than actually eating them). One would hope that upon reaching adulthood, one would see the benefit of self-restriction. It should therefore be also evident that upon godhood, consumptive lusts would be even that much more destructive.

We can get an additional insight into the nature of God from John;

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

If we consider “light” we observe something that flows outward, shows truth, gives and sustains life. There is no consumptive element at all. With all the power of God the first limitation one encounters is that it cannot be used for self. To do so would start a process of self consumption.

Another restrictive element would be truth. Just as self-indulgence would be destructive, deception including self-deception would inflict blindness and tend towards self-destruction as the foundation reality gives to existence would be lost.

One might see Godhood as other or outward orientation and limited to truth. Faced with these limitations one might ask what sort of activity options would be available. The ability to create would be an obvious choice. However, creating what and why are natural questions one would ask. One might create a world with creatures whose actions were predetermined and predictable. Like having an aquarium, the actions of such creatures can be distracting, but in the end one has to question the ultimate value of entertainment.

The ability to create worlds and creatures poses an interesting quandary. One could create creatures programmed to do exactly what was expected. Creatures could also be created to interact with their environment such that they were free to make choices, but acted on instincts. A third alternative would be to create thinking creatures who had the free will to act independently from the creator. The risk here would be that the creatures would follow the self-destructive path of self-indulgent consumption or disassociation from reality that deceptions create.

In addition to choosing whether to make creatures with free will or not, one would also have to chose whether to make the creatures self-replicating or with initial functionality. The angelic realm might be an example of creatures made with knowledge and powers as well as given free will. For such creatures the test would be if they could exercise their free will to choose to remain faithful and resist the attraction that rebellion might offer.

For self replicating creatures one would expect at some point their ignorance would cause them to be cut off from their creator and their descendants would each start life helpless, ignorant, and selfish. Here the test would be if any could find their way out of rebellion.

An additional complicating factor would exist if a rebelling angel came to have control or influence over the human realm such that in addition to trying to escape ignorance, one also had to fight through deceptions.

The fate of rebelling angles would be pretty clear, those who rebell will be destroyed. The fate of humans born in ignorance is a different matter. There would be two ways eternal life could be imparted to those who never had it. The first would be to select an individual from whom a nation would come and through that nation all the peoples of earth could be provided the knowledge of the creator and faith in him demonstrated by following his laws could lead to being raised from the dead unto eternal life. A second way would be to offer eternal life to those who had faith in an action by the creator to recover them.

If you are a creator and your creation is stuck in sin, the question arises as to how do you resolve this dilemma. The bible describes the creator entering his own creation and being put to death by his own creatures by which a payment was made that could allow some to be given eternal life.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. - 1 Corinthians 15:22

Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. - 1 Corinthians 2:8

It is not exactly clear how this “payment” was made and to whom, but the result was the possibility that recovery of some could be made. The phrase “in Christ” suggests that in some way humans through faith are able to receive eternal life from the life of their creator.

A creator thus through his creation is able to produce “children” that could come out of creation and join him in a sort of familial relationship.