what does this verse mean?

Unqualified · Friday at 4:20 PM

It is by grace that we are saved, not works. God did it. It is finished. We can’t earn it. Believe in the finished work of Christ. He died to save us. We are saved if we endure to the end.

abraham believed God. He had hope against hope and it happened.

Christ's Bride · Friday at 4:47 PM

whatdoesthisversemean said:
born of water, born again of the spirit?

or Jn 3:5 born of water AND the Spirit!

thks

Context of born again baptism!

Jn 1

John the baptist preached faith alone? FALSE!

John the baptist prepared the way for Christ and the new covenant by water baptism? TRUE!

Jn 2

Just water for religious a purpose? FALSE!

The greek old testament calls them the waters of baptismlice? TRUE!

Jn 3:5

Born again of the Spirit only? FALSE!

Born again of Water and the Spirit? True!

Jn 3:22

They went to Jerusalem and preached faith alone? FALSE!

They went to the river and baptized?
TRUE!

Jn 4:1 (mt 28:19)

Making disciples by faith alone? FALSE!

Making disciples by baptism?
TRUE!

Note: John's baptism was for repentance but it is included cos the prefigurement & fulfillment must match, the way of preparation & reality must match.

You must wait for the return of Christ. When He is on earth the TRUTH will be open to every man, now it is not.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Christ preached to tens of thousands and 120 showed up at Pentecost. it was given to 120, not the tens of thousands the saw the miracles and ate the fish and bread.
plus: there are over 8 billion alive today --- maybe 25% think they may be christian? and they are scattered in 45,000 diverse churches.
My mother and father were christian. never went to church, knew nothing, they will be in the 2nd resurrection and then they will learn the Truth.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

timothyu · Friday at 5:41 PM

Christ's Bride said:
When He is on earth the TRUTH will be open to every man, now it is not

Yet He gave us 2 commandments to see us through and show us how to behave contrary to the self-serving ways of mankind. To follow the will of the Father which is to act in servitude to him and all our fellow beings. All are resurrected, but it is following those commandments that gets us possible admission to the kingdom. I say possible because it is still up to God. His will be done, not ours. I'm ok either way because of that.

David1701 · Friday at 7:44 PM

whatdoesthisversemean said:
maybe not but we can still sin and lose the grace of God or these warnings would not exist

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)

thks

Setting Scriptures against each other, as you are doing, is a sure sign that you have something badly wrong...

It would take ages to go through all of the Scripture references you've given, but I note that you have not quoted a single one, never mind providing an explanation as to why you think that they contradict the plain ones that I quoted (hint: God's word does not contradict itself).

David Lamb · Saturday at 1:35 AM

David1701 said:
1 John 3:9 (E.S.V.) No-one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

I agree. If a saved person became "unsaved" every time he or she sinned, who could remain saved? In Jesus's summary of the Ten Commandment He said:

(Mar 12:30) AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' This is the first commandment.

So every time one is not loving God with all one's heart, soul, mind and strength, one is sinning. Who can claim to love God in that way every waking moment of their lives?

David1701 · Saturday at 10:25 AM

David Lamb said:
I agree. If a saved person became "unsaved" every time he or she sinned, who could remain saved? In Jesus's summary of the Ten Commandment He said:

(Mar 12:30) AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' This is the first commandment.

So every time one is not loving God with all one's heart, soul, mind and strength, one is sinning. Who can claim to love God in that way every waking moment of their lives?

Yes, exactly.

Christ's Bride · Saturday at 10:32 AM

David1701 said:
Yes, exactly.

David Lamb said:
I agree. If a saved person became "unsaved" every time he or she sinned, who could remain saved? In Jesus's summary of the Ten Commandment He said:

(Mar 12:30) AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' This is the first commandment.

So every time one is not loving God with all one's heart, soul, mind and strength, one is sinning. Who can claim to love God in that way every waking moment of their lives?

David, Christ has given us the solution.
Our human nature remains until the Resurrection, therefore we will sin until the First resurrection, hopefully less and less.
the Solution we are given, repent every time we fall short.

David1701 · Saturday at 12:37 PM

Christ's Bride said:
David, Christ has given us the solution.
Our human nature remains until the Resurrection, therefore we will sin until the First resurrection, hopefully less and less.
the Solution we are given, repent every time we fall short.

Yes, we are to confess our sins (i.e. agree with God about them), whenever we sin; however, that is not the solution to our sins; the solution is the cross and resurrection of the Lord, through faith in Him, and God working in us, to will and do of His good pleasure.

whatdoesthisversemean · Saturday at 1:07 PM

Unqualified said:
It is by grace that we are saved, not works. God did it. It is finished. We can’t earn it. Believe in the finished work of Christ. He died to save us. We are saved if we endure to the end.

abraham believed God. He had hope against hope and it happened.

please explain

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

thks

David1701 · Saturday at 1:45 PM

whatdoesthisversemean said:
please explain

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

thks

Rom. 2:7 refers to works righteousness, see verse 13, (i.e. the hypothetical righteousness that man could attain, if he kept the law perfectly, 24/7). Of course, no-one does this, so no-one has this kind of righteousness.

timothyu · Saturday at 1:49 PM

David1701 said:
Yes, we are to confess our sins

In other words, admit our will, our ways of self-interest, only produces trouble, for ourselves, but mainly others. Trouble few admit until they are caught. God tells us plainly to not seek personal gain creating loss for someone else. Admitting we act contrary to the ways of the Kingdom and the will of God by way of our selfishness is the first step. A change in attitude must follow which leads to a change in daily habit from self to share.

Unqualified · Saturday at 3:16 PM

whatdoesthisversemean said:
please explain

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

thks

No this is us doing good works for the intent of reaching immortality. Because it’s talking about judgment. He who does Rom 2:7 gets eternal life. Next verse he who lives unrighteousness gets judgment. The next two verses are for this life. Remember how important good works are in James- necessary to keep your faith alive and active. It’s important to keep doing well doing if you are truly seeking heaven.

like Abraham it started with faith then went to obedience and good works and God gave the increase.

Junotheservant · Saturday at 4:03 PM

whatdoesthisversemean said:
so what is grace?

what law are we under?

thks

We are under the law of faith which is the 10 commandments, see Exodus 20: 1 - 17

whatdoesthisversemean said:
I agree and grace is in Christ (1 Jn 5:11) life of God that Christ shares with us unto holiness and those faithful to the end eternity salvation

1 pet 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Lk 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
(The deeds of righteousness)

Amen?

Amen

We are not righteous, so we cannot make up our own righteousness as we are all filthy rags, yet we must obey God and God said to do his commandments and it will be our righteousness.

Revelation 22: 14
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

David1701 · Saturday at 4:38 PM

Junotheservant said:
We are under the law of faith which is the 10 commandments, see Exodus 20: 1 - 17

Amen

We are not righteous, so we cannot make up our own righteousness as we are all filthy rags, yet we must obey God and God said to do his commandments and it will be our righteousness.

Revelation 22: 14
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

The ten commandments are the ministry of death and condemnation, written in stone. We are to live in the Spirit, not the dead letter of law.

2 Cor. 3:6-11 (A.V.)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Christ's Bride · Saturday at 4:55 PM

Unqualified said:
It is by grace that we are saved, not works. God did it. It is finished. We can’t earn it. Believe in the finished work of Christ. He died to save us. We are saved if we endure to the end.

abraham believed God. He had hope against hope and it happened.

our penalty of death was paid in full, by Jesus Christ, while we were all sinners waiting to die,
with out Christ's sacrifice we would be dead for eternity
We are saved from paying our debt of death for our sins only by the Sacrifice of our Passover, Jesus Christ.

Abraham believ-ed Christ and obeyed
8 By faith (trust) Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Sorry I must have clarity and Truth, which there is a shortage of to day in the churches.

we are not saved by works but we are being judged and rewarded for our works.
Revelation 22:

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

timothyu · Saturday at 4:58 PM

David1701 said:
The ten commandments are the ministry of death and condemnation, written in stone. We are to live in the Spirit, not the dead letter of law.

The only way to live in the Spirit of God is to follow His will and those commandments show His will.

Christ's Bride · Saturday at 6:03 PM

David1701 said:
The ten commandments are the ministry of death and condemnation, written in stone. We are to live in the Spirit, not the dead letter of law.

2 Cor. 3:6-11 (A.V.)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

David,

I love God’s Truth, And I hate confusion.

1 Peter 1: 25 But the “word” of the Lord endureth for ever.

And this IS the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

The only WORD Peter can be referring to, is what we call today -- the O T and that Word is what the Apostles used to preach the Good News.

Does God do anything without first revealing it to His prophets?

Amos 3:

7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

For something as major as ending the 10 Commandments, this must be revealed by God’s Prophets or God is a liar.

And as you wrote they were not written on paper, but stone and they are in the Ark under the Mercy Seat of The Father. So abolishing or ending the commandments is a HUGE thing,

please show us the prophecy by one of God’s Prophets showing Christ came to do away with the 10 commandments.

One thing I believe you are missing, yes, the O C gave physical blessings for obedience and death for transgressions, that is IT, --- but, and this is a HUGE, but, only the Few had the Holy Spirit until Pentecost when the Father poured it out on 120.

Now with the indwelling of that ONE Spirit, the power to obey had come.

David, I began obeying in 1969, not perfectly, but growing year by year.

I cannot imagine not living by God’s HOLY LAW, I have friends and relatives that do not, their lives are a mess, and if you are watching the whole world is about to implode and you know they never have.

God’s Law of Righteousness’ brings peace, joy, prosperity and every good thing a sound mind could desire.

Junotheservant · Saturday at 6:09 PM

David1701 said:
The ten commandments are the ministry of death and condemnation, written in stone. We are to live in the Spirit, not the dead letter of law.

2 Cor. 3:6-11 (A.V.)
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

What in the carnal mind is going on here??

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Romans 8: 5 - 7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Please understand that there are two laws. The ministry of death is the law of animal sacrifice.

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David1701 · Saturday at 8:44 PM

timothyu said:
The only way to live in the Spirit of God is to follow His will and those commandments show His will.

If someone needs the ten commandments to know that we should love God and others, that it's wrong to murder, to steal, to commit adultery, etc., then that person is, with absolute certainty, not a genuine Christian.

timothyu · Saturday at 8:56 PM

David1701 said:
If someone needs the ten commandments to know that we should love God and others, that it's wrong to murder, to steal, to commit adultery, etc., then that person is, with absolute certainty, not a genuine Christian.

Nor followers of God. Being a Christian does nor mean perfection. All still put their will ahead of others at times. Those who seek division are not loving all as self etc.

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