what does this verse mean?

whatdoesthisversemean · Friday at 12:32 PM

Christ's Bride said:
When Christ returns He will restore ALL THINGS as they were in the Beginning --- as the Garden of Eden. at some point in the 1000 years the entire earth will be restored as the Garden of Eden.

And the word Paradise is also translated as garden,
'I am telling you today --- you will be with Me in the Garden of Eden."
Christ did not say heaven. and there are no commas in Greek or Hebrew

In 60 years of study I have found zero scriptures stating heaven is our reward or whatever. and Christ said clearly no one had been to heaven but HIM.
do not bring up the two taken in to the sky, not the 3rd heaven.. Hebrews 11-- all died not having received the promise.

Jesus' body was in the tomb for three days, not his Spirit. ----WOW if that were so, then our sins are not paid for,,, we will all die.

David, I am not --- at all -- with you --- I tell folks I am of the FEW -- not the MANY.
I hold not one belief of the Many! NOT ONE

You are repeating to me the beliefs of the Many!

final comment:
there could be as many as 45,000 diverse churches, not one like another, some close, but all believing contradicting doctrines.
which, David is the ONE TRUE Church The Father Began on Pentecost?

heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the frighteous into life eternal.

Christ's Bride said:
David did you read all the words??

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Nicodemus understood,, birth, an actual birth, not spiritual!

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
our first birth is in to flesh, water is 70% of flesh and in the womb we are in water. we are born when "the water breaks."

our Second birth is in to "Spirit" ---flesh can not enter the kingdom, if you bleed you are flesh.

6 That which is born of the flesh ---- is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit --- is spirit.

we are flesh now, when we are "Born from Above" we will be Spirit --- not flesh 21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious (SPIRIT) body,

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be "born again". this is also translated as:: "to bring forth from above", born from above

Here in verse 8 Christ explains when born into Spirit -- we will be like the wind, you know its there,, but invisible.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Born again?? NO! I have that ONE Spirit in me and I am waiting to be born into Spirit -- no longer in this body of sin.

jn 3:5 born again by both water and the spirit

thks

whatdoesthisversemean · Friday at 12:35 PM

Junotheservant said:
That's exactly what grace is however many people don't realize that you can go back to jail by breaking the commandments.

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)

We have union by grace not eternal salvation!

thks

timothyu · Friday at 12:35 PM

Christ's Bride said:
David I have been in my temporary body of flesh and blood for 86 years -- if you want to stay in yours that is up to you and Christ,
Christ has offered me a spirit body like His -- I pass on this painful body I welcome to chance to be LIKE my MAKER.

Don't miss the chance while you have it to stop being self-centered ratter than others oriented. We were/are to change our thinking from the self-serving ways of the flesh to the servitude characteristics of the Kingdom, out alternate nature within a dualistic body. By that change/repentance we show where our allegiance lies, our worthiness for the Kingdom. Being defensive or loyal to the world we have made in our own fleshy image, gets us nowhere.

Junotheservant · Friday at 12:36 PM

whatdoesthisversemean said:
still not saying what grace is, Jesus the eternal word is our salvation!

what is eternal life?

thks

Romans 6: 14
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

If you understand what law Paul is talking about here you would automatically understand what Grace is. You are not under the Law of animal sacrifice (their blood was used to purge sins but their blood could not purge sins) you are under blood of Christ (because his blood can purge sins).

Hebrews 10: 1, 4, 10 - 12, 15 - 17
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

So what you need to understand here is God has done away with animal sacrifice and placed the 10 commandments in our hearts. Before no one could benefit from obeying Christ but now that we are under grace (the blood of Jesus Christ) we can do so.

timothyu · Friday at 12:40 PM

Junotheservant said:
and placed the 10 commandments in our hearts. Before no one could benefit from obeying Christ but now that we are under grace (the blood of Jesus Christ) we can do so.

Besides, how hard is it to change from being selfish to acting in servitude to all, being decent.

Junotheservant · Friday at 12:43 PM

whatdoesthisversemean said:
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)

We have union by grace not eternal salvation!

thks

Again Grace is the blood of Jesus, in order to take advantage of the blood of Jesus you need to go under the blood. This is how you show your faith. If you don't keep the commandments then grace can't help you. You bail your brother out of jail, if he is caught stealing again then guess what? He is going back to jail.

In Gal 5: 4
Paul is speaking of people who continue to sacrifice animals for sins. The life is in the blood and the blood was used to purge sins. If you are sacrificing animals then you don't believe Jesus is the Christ.

Grace may be a free gift but it is a gift retained by those who keep the commandments.

Romans 2: 13
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Junotheservant · Friday at 12:44 PM

timothyu said:
Besides, how hard is it to change from being selfish to acting in servitude to all, being decent.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here honestly

timothyu · Friday at 12:54 PM

Junotheservant said:
I have no idea what you are trying to say here honestly

It is the whole point of repentance in order to be worthy of the Kingdom instead of the world we have made in our own image. Jesus was all about the Kingdom, not about us. He served the Kingdom, not us. We still have to choose and act accordingly to declare to which our allegiance lies.

David1701 · Friday at 12:56 PM

Junotheservant said:
That's exactly what grace is however many people don't realize that you can go back to jail by breaking the commandments.

1 John 3:9 (E.S.V.) No-one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Christ's Bride · Friday at 12:59 PM

timothyu said:
Don't miss the chance while you have it to stop being self-centered ratter than others oriented. We were/are to change our thinking from the self-serving ways of the flesh to the servitude characteristics of the Kingdom, out alternate nature within a dualistic body. By that change/repentance we show where our allegiance lies, our worthiness for the Kingdom. Being defensive or loyal to the world we have made in our own fleshy image, gets us nowhere.

does that mean I must accept false doctrines with a smile and When folks say things that are not in the word, never taught by Christ or the Apostles I must accept it as the truth?

How is accepting Christ offer of a spirit body like His, being defensive and loyal to the world??
If the other fellow wants a flesh and bone body --fine by me, I pass.

Chaplain Jim · Friday at 12:59 PM

I'm thankful that the Holy Spirit helps us to glean from Scripture.
Conversation ad infinitum.

timothyu · Friday at 1:03 PM

Christ's Bride said:
does that mean I must accept false doctrines with a smile and When folks say things that are not in the word, never taught by Christ or the Apostles I must accept it as the truth?

How is accepting Christ offer of a spirit body like His, being defensive and loyal to the world??
If the other fellow wants a flesh and bone body --fine by me, I pass.

No but it's all about attitude. Either we defend the Kingdom and its way, or we continue to defend the ways of the world we have made in our own image. Can't have it both ways for they operate on opposing principles.

Christ's Bride · Friday at 1:17 PM

timothyu said:
No but it's all about attitude. Either we defend the Kingdom and its way, or we continue to defend the ways of the world we have made in our own image. Can't have it both ways for they operate on opposing principles.

I copy the attitude of Jesus Christ, I hate evil and lies, and this world is built upon lies.

timothyu · Friday at 1:22 PM

Christ's Bride said:
I hate evil and lies, and this world is built upon lies.

Of course it lies. The Adversary convinces us our selfish ways are best, survival of the fittest and all that. Our nations demand we live accordingly. This is a backwards world.

Christ's Bride · Friday at 1:44 PM

Chaplain Jim said:
I'm thankful that the Holy Spirit helps us to glean from Scripture.
Conversation ad infinitum.

Mr. Jim,

Over many decades I have seen this world up close and personal --- I want nothing in it or from it.

I am extremely and eternally thankful The Father has called me to Christ, has put in me, His ONE Spirit.
My desire, what I earnestly contend for is the Mind of Christ. I want to see as Christ sees, I want to understand as He understands.
With the days remaining in my life, my focus is growing into the perfection of Jesus Christ and sharing what I have been given.
That goal is always in front of my eyes.

I have been shown recently, the Father's and Christ's purpose for creating man.
it is understood by one single word ---- "Relationships"

the Book Christ wrote, is our manual for perfect relationships. Eternal relationships.

Chaplain Jim · Friday at 2:04 PM

Christ's Bride said:
Mr. Jim,

Over many decades I have seen this world up close and personal --- I want nothing in it or from it.

Amen and Amen!

Christ's Bride said:
John17:14-17 "I have given them Your word; and and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. They are not of this world, just I am not of the world. Sanctity them by Your truth. Your word is truth."

whatdoesthisversemean · Friday at 3:16 PM

Christ's Bride said:
David did you read all the words??

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Nicodemus understood,, birth, an actual birth, not spiritual!

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
our first birth is in to flesh, water is 70% of flesh and in the womb we are in water. we are born when "the water breaks."

our Second birth is in to "Spirit" ---flesh can not enter the kingdom, if you bleed you are flesh.

6 That which is born of the flesh ---- is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit --- is spirit.

we are flesh now, when we are "Born from Above" we will be Spirit --- not flesh 21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious (SPIRIT) body,

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be "born again". this is also translated as:: "to bring forth from above", born from above

Here in verse 8 Christ explains when born into Spirit -- we will be like the wind, you know its there,, but invisible.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Born again?? NO! I have that ONE Spirit in me and I am waiting to be born into Spirit -- no longer in this body of sin.

born of water, born again of the spirit?

or Jn 3:5 born of water AND the Spirit!

thks

Context of born again baptism!

Jn 1

John the baptist preached faith alone? FALSE!

John the baptist prepared the way for Christ and the new covenant by water baptism? TRUE!

Jn 2

Just water for religious a purpose? FALSE!

The greek old testament calls them the waters of baptismlice? TRUE!

Jn 3:5

Born again of the Spirit only? FALSE!

Born again of Water and the Spirit? True!

Jn 3:22

They went to Jerusalem and preached faith alone? FALSE!

They went to the river and baptized?
TRUE!

Jn 4:1 (mt 28:19)

Making disciples by faith alone? FALSE!

Making disciples by baptism?
TRUE!

Note: John's baptism was for repentance but it is included cos the prefigurement & fulfillment must match, the way of preparation & reality must match.

whatdoesthisversemean · Friday at 3:54 PM

Junotheservant said:
Romans 6: 14
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

If you understand what law Paul is talking about here you would automatically understand what Grace is. You are not under the Law of animal sacrifice (their blood was used to purge sins but their blood could not purge sins) you are under blood of Christ (because his blood can purge sins).

Hebrews 10: 1, 4, 10 - 12, 15 - 17
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

So what you need to understand here is God has done away with animal sacrifice and placed the 10 commandments in our hearts. Before no one could benefit from obeying Christ but now that we are under grace (the blood of Jesus Christ) we can do so.

so what is grace?

what law are we under?

thks

whatdoesthisversemean · Friday at 3:59 PM

Junotheservant said:
Again Grace is the blood of Jesus, in order to take advantage of the blood of Jesus you need to go under the blood. This is how you show your faith. If you don't keep the commandments then grace can't help you. You bail your brother out of jail, if he is caught stealing again then guess what? He is going back to jail.

In Gal 5: 4
Paul is speaking of people who continue to sacrifice animals for sins. The life is in the blood and the blood was used to purge sins. If you are sacrificing animals then you don't believe Jesus is the Christ.

Grace may be a free gift but it is a gift retained by those who keep the commandments.

Romans 2: 13
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

I agree and grace is in Christ (1 Jn 5:11) life of God that Christ shares with us unto holiness and those faithful to the end eternity salvation

1 pet 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Lk 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
(The deeds of righteousness)

Amen?

whatdoesthisversemean · Friday at 4:02 PM

David1701 said:
1 John 3:9 (E.S.V.) No-one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

maybe not but we can still sin and lose the grace of God or these warnings would not exist

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)

thks

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