Does The "Weekly Sunday Services in NT" suggestion survive Acts 13? No?

Capbook2 · Wednesday at 8:21 PM

HIM said:
NO MENTION OF THE SPIRIT WRITING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ON OUR HEARTS.

Well, if your God in Hebrews 8 is not a spirit, you are correct. (John 4:24)

John 4:24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

HIM said:
WE ARE LETTERS OF CHRIST WRITTEN BY THE SPIRIT ON THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. THE MINISTRY OF THE SPIRIT WHICH IS CALLED THE MINISTRY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. NOT THAT WE ARE SUFFIENT IN AND OF OURSELVES, BUT OUR SUFFIENCY IS OF GOD. WHO HAS MADE US ABLED MINISTERS OF THE SPIRIT NOT OF THE LETTER. FOR THE LETTER KILLETH, BUT THE SPIRIT, THE MINISTRY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS GIVETH LIFE. FOR WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS FREEDOM. IN THAT WE ARE REFLECTING THE GLORY OF THE LORD WE ARE CHANGED INTO THE SAME IMAGE FROM THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD.

Yes, and what do we understand verse 6, "new covenant" referred to? Hebrews 8 or not?
May we know your definition of the word "covenant?"

And on Moses time what was "engraved on stones" referred to in verse 7?

Be aware that the word "letters" engraved in stones in 2Cor3:7, bears Strong#G1121, in Greek "γράμμα gramma" defined by Bible Lexicon as - the letter of the law of Moses, the bare literal sense.
May we know what Law of Moses engraved in stones?

There was glory associated with the giving of the law and the old covenant. At that time, Mount Sinai was surrounded with smoke; there were earthquakes, thunder, lightning, a trumpet blast from heaven, and the voice of God Himself (Exo_19:16 to Exo_20:1). Most of all, the glory of the old covenant was shown in the face of Moses and the glory of his countenance.
If the old covenant, which brought death had this glory, we should expect greater glory in the new covenant, which brings the ministry of the Spirit and life. (2Cor 3:8)

2Co 3:6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

2Co 3:7 But ifG1487 the R1ministryG1248 of deathG2288, R2in lettersG1121 engravedG1795 on stonesG3037, cameG1096 N1with gloryG1391, R3soG5620 that the sonsG5207 of IsraelG2474 couldG1410 not lookG816 intentlyG816 at the faceG4383 of MosesG3475 becauseG1223 of the gloryG1391 of his faceG4383, fadingG2673 as it was,

G1121 (Mounce Lexicon)
γράμμα gramma
14x: pr. that which is written or drawn; a letter, character of the alphabet, a writing, book, Jhn_5:47; an acknowledgment of debt, an account, a bill, note, Luk_16:6-7; an epistle, letter, Act_28:21; Gal_6:11; ἱερὰ γράμματα, the sacred books of the Old Testament, the Jewish Scriptures, 2Ti_3:15; spc. the letter of the law of Moses, the bare literal sense, Rom_2:27; Rom_2:29; Rom_7:6; 2Co_3:6-7; pl. letters, learning, Jhn_7:15; Act_26:24.

Capbook2 · Wednesday at 9:01 PM

HIM said:
We are created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works that God preordained that we should walk in.

With that noted where is it preordained?

The Book of the Law?

YES!

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I don't know what "preordained" is in Greek, what I find in NAS95+ is "prepared beforehand" which bears Strong#G4282, in Greek "προετοιμάζω proetoimazō" define by Bible Lexicons as means - to make ready beforehand, to prepare before, to appoint beforehand etc, but "preordained" is not one of them.

Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanshipG4161, R1createdG2936 in R2ChristG5547 JesusG2424 for R3goodG18 worksG2041, whichG3739 GodG2316 R4preparedG4282 beforehandG4282 soG2443 that we would R5walkG4043 in them.

G4282 (Thayer Lexicon)
προετοιμάζω proetoimazō
1) to prepare before, to make ready beforehand

G4282 (Mounce Lexicon)
προετοιμάζω proetoimazō
2x: to prepare beforehand; in NT to appoint beforehand, Rom_9:23; Eph_2:10.

HIM · Thursday at 5:38 AM

HIM said:
NO MENTION OF THE SPIRIT WRITING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ON OUR HEARTS.

Capbook2 said:
Well, if your God in Hebrews 8 is not a spirit, you are correct. (John 4:24)

First off it is Our God and Father.

Second no mention of any commandments in Heb 8. It says the Law not commandments. This includes the Commandments but also things like loving God with all our being, loving our neighbor, incest, bestiality, reading our Bible and so forth.

And no those mentioned above are not included in the Ten. They are separate issues inclusive of themselves.
Though I show my love for my neighbor by keeping them I can keep them and not love my neighbor.

Though incest is a sexually immoral issue like adultery it is not adultery unless one of the participants is married.

HIM · Thursday at 6:15 AM

HIM said:
NO MENTION OF THE SPIRIT WRITING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ON OUR HEARTS. WE ARE LETTERS OF CHRIST WRITTEN BY THE SPIRIT ON THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. THE MINISTRY OF THE SPIRIT WHICH IS CALLED THE MINISTRY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. NOT THAT WE ARE SUFFIENT IN AND OF OURSELVES, BUT OUR SUFFIENCY IS OF GOD. WHO HAS MADE US ABLED MINISTERS OF THE SPIRIT NOT OF THE LETTER. FOR THE LETTER KILLETH, BUT THE SPIRIT, THE MINISTRY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS GIVETH LIFE. FOR WHERE THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS FREEDOM. IN THAT WE ARE REFLECTING THE GLORY OF THE LORD WE ARE CHANGED INTO THE SAME IMAGE FROM THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD.

Capbook2 said:
Yes, and what do we understand verse 6, "new covenant" referred to? Hebrews 8 or not?
May we know your definition of the word "covenant?"

Covenant is typically a peace agreement between two parties who are estranged.

Yes The New Covenant mention in 2Cor is that which is mentioned in Jer 31, Heb 8, Deut 30:10-14, Rom 10:6-6 and Ezek 36:26, 2Cor3: 6. BUT NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THE TEN COMMANDMENTS are written in our hearts in 2 Cor 3

And once again no mention of any commandments in Heb 8 or Jer 31. It says the Law not commandments. This includes the Commandments but also things like loving God with all our being, loving our neighbor, incest, bestiality, reading our Bible, not eating unclean animals and so forth.

And no those mentioned above are not included in the Ten. They are separate issues inclusive of themselves.
Though I show my love for my neighbor by keeping them I can keep them and not love my neighbor. Though I show love for my God by keeping them I can do them and not love God.

Though incest is a sexually immoral issue like adultery it is not adultery unless one of the participants is married.

Same with in Deut 30:10-14 and Rom 10:6-8. However the commandments are mentioned directly in Deut 30:10-14 which Rom 10:6-8 quotes. However it says the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law are to be kept by hearkening unto the voice of the Lord and says this word is in our hearts and mouths that we keep it. So there it says the Word is in our hearts and it is says it in the present tense as they are to enter into the promise land. Where as in Jeremiah it says Law. Both Law and Word include the Commandments but also other laws that are not in the Ten as explained above.

Ezek 36:26 says the Spirit will give us a new heart. If we go by what is written the Theology that a lot of the members in our church teach falls short.

For our God and Father gives us of His Spirit. Yes the Ten are part of this but there is so much more. We are given a new conscience, heart and mind that is not boxed in by a book or tables of stone. We are a new creation created in Christ Jesus. Behold all is or is to be new and of God.

SabbathBlessings · Thursday at 6:39 AM

The Ten Commandment sum up the greatest commandments- love to God commandments 1-4 love to neighbor 5-10

Rom 13: 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus predicted two things with the law so they cannot be the same laws because its opposite predictions- He fulfilled both Heb10:1-10 Mat5:17-30

One law Jesus came to magnify which means make greater

Isa 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Another law- the law of Moses what was written in a book as a witness against thee came to end.

Dan9:27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

Which law did Jesus magnify- the one written by the Holy Spirit inside His ark that His blood covers, or the one that was besides the ark as a witness against thee written by a human.

Jesus tells us ....

21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Jesus did exactly this magnify the law the Ten Commandments and showed clear examples of what this looks like and these principles applies to all Ten because Jesus said plainly

Mat 5: 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

How many sins would not be violated if God's laws were actually written in our hearts and minds and we didn't have lust or anger in our hearts. No incense no bestiality - there would be no sin that wouldn't be part of God's holy and perfect law written by God Himself under His mercy seat and alone is perfect for converting our soul Psa19:7 no wonder why God added no more Deut5:22. The book of the law was added because of sin to get people back to God's commandments. If we have God's laws really written in our hearts and minds and in a covenant with God Jer 31:33 Heb8:10, we no longer need that tutor. Gal3:10-19

Capbook2 · Friday at 12:33 AM

HIM said:
First off it is Our God and Father.

First of all, if your God in Hebrew 8 is not a Spirit, we have different God, ours is recorded in the Bible as "God is Spirit."

John 4:24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

HIM said:
Second no mention of any commandments in Heb 8. It says the Law not commandments. This includes the Commandments but also things like loving God with all our being, loving our neighbor, incest, bestiality, reading our Bible and so forth.

As Hebrews 8:8 speaks about the "new covenant," where in the Scriptures do you believe the old covenant/agreement happened?
Before giving the Ten Commandments or not?

HIM said:
And no those mentioned above are not included in the Ten. They are separate issues inclusive of themselves.
Though I show my love for my neighbor by keeping them I can keep them and not love my neighbor.

Though incest is a sexually immoral issue like adultery it is not adultery unless one of the participants is married.

May we know which Bible verse you are referring to?

Capbook2 · Friday at 1:42 AM

HIM said:
Covenant is typically a peace agreement between two parties who are estranged.

Yes, Hebrews 8 speaks of a new covenant, again, may we know where do you believe the old covenant/agreement happened?
Before the giving of the Ten Commandments or not?

HIM said:
Yes The New Covenant mention in 2Cor is that which is mentioned in Jer 31, Heb 8, Deut 30:10-14, Rom 10:6-6 and Ezek 36:26, 2Cor3: 6. BUT NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THE TEN COMMANDMENTS are written in our hearts in 2 Cor 3

As God's Laws in Jeremiah 31 in the Old Testament were written in God's people's hearts, if it was not the Ten Commandments, Luke 23:56 should have not happened, "they rested on the Sabbath according to the Commandments,"

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.

In 2Cor 3, I just don't know why Bible words like "new covenant, letters engraved on stones, Moses and Bible Lexicon definition of G1121," doesn't matter to you.
Care enough to answer the question, "what Mosaic Law that was engraven on stones on Moses time? (2Cor 3:7)

2Co 3:6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

2Co 3:7 But ifG1487 the R1ministryG1248 of deathG2288, R2in lettersG1121 engravedG1795 on stonesG3037, cameG1096 N1with gloryG1391, R3soG5620 that the sonsG5207 of IsraelG2474 couldG1410 not lookG816 intentlyG816 at the faceG4383 of MosesG3475 becauseG1223 of the gloryG1391 of his faceG4383, fadingG2673 as it was,

G1121 (Mounce Lexicon)
γράμμα gramma
14x: pr. that which is written or drawn; a letter, character of the alphabet, a writing, book, Jhn_5:47; an acknowledgment of debt, an account, a bill, note, Luk_16:6-7; an epistle, letter, Act_28:21; Gal_6:11; ἱερὰ γράμματα, the sacred books of the Old Testament, the Jewish Scriptures, 2Ti_3:15; spc. the letter of the law of Moses, the bare literal sense, Rom_2:27; Rom_2:29; Rom_7:6; 2Co_3:6-7; pl. letters, learning, Jhn_7:15; Act_26:24.

HIM said:
And once again no mention of any commandments in Heb 8 or Jer 31. It says the Law not commandments. This includes the Commandments but also things like loving God with all our being, loving our neighbor, incest, bestiality, reading our Bible, not eating unclean animals and so forth.

Is the Ten Commandments not God's Law?

The Ten Commandments are considered God's law. According to the Bible, God spoke these commandments and uniquely inscribed them onto stone tablets to serve as a permanent moral standard for humanity. Google Search

HIM said:
And no those mentioned above are not included in the Ten. They are separate issues inclusive of themselves.
Though I show my love for my neighbor by keeping them I can keep them and not love my neighbor. Though I show love for my God by keeping them I can do them and not love God.

You may can do that, but God knows what's really in your heart.
You may deceived your neighbors but never to God.

HIM said:
Though incest is a sexually immoral issue like adultery it is not adultery unless one of the participants is married.

In the Ten Commandments, the first part is our relationship with God.
If God is love (1John 4:8) would mean that the first part is our relationship with "love."
And the second part of the Ten Commandments is our relationship with our neighbors.
By truly having relationship with love (God), it's easy to love our neighbors, but if we deceived our neighbors, we're also trying to deceived God, though God knows it beforehand.

HIM said:
Same with in Deut 30:10-14 and Rom 10:6-8. However the commandments are mentioned directly in Deut 30:10-14 which Rom 10:6-8 quotes. However it says the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law are to be kept by hearkening unto the voice of the Lord and says this word is in our hearts and mouths that we keep it. So there it says the Word is in our hearts and it is says it in the present tense as they are to enter into the promise land. Where as in Jeremiah it says Law. Both Law and Word include the Commandments but also other laws that are not in the Ten as explained above.

Yes, the Book of the Law is the "Torah" or the Pentateuch, it do includes the Ten Commandments.
But The Ten Commandment engrave on stones do not contain the Book of the Law.
As the Ten Commandments were placed inside the ark, while the Book of the Law was placed beside the ark.
Why the placement was different? Is it because the Ten Commandments were written by the finger of God? As God's Laws.
And the Book of the Law was handwritten by Moses as the Mosaic Law.

HIM said:
Ezek 36:26 says the Spirit will give us a new heart. If we go by what is written the Theology that a lot of the members in our church teach falls short.

For our God and Father gives us of His Spirit. Yes the Ten are part of this but there is so much more. We are given a new conscience, heart and mind that is not boxed in by a book or tables of stone. We are a new creation created in Christ Jesus. Behold all is or is to be new and of God.

Yes, please proceed to the next verse 27, God will put His Spirit in us, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us (Rom 8:4) Paul used the term "in us"not "by us". It is by the Spirit and us walk by the Spirit, (Gal 5:25) the Spirit of the living God that wrote the Ten Commandments, engraved on stones (2Cor 3:3,7, Heb 8:8-10) now in our hearts, the more glorious ministry of the Spirit.

Eze 36:27 "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.

Rom 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

2Co 3:3 being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

SabbathBlessings · Friday at 8:31 AM

I think God was clear on what His covenant consisted of and what it didn't.

To understand Heb8:10 we need to go back to Jeremiah on what God said when this covenant Heb8:10 was first spoken of in Jeremiah days Jer 31:33

Jer 7:22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices.

23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

HIM · Friday at 9:13 AM

Capbook2 said:
First of all, if your God in Hebrew 8 is not a Spirit, we have different God, ours is recorded in the Bible as "God is Spirit."

John 4:24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

Not sure why you keep going here as if there is any weight here in regard to what we speak.

Please don't continue with the insults. We are having a pleasant conversation I would rather keep it that way.

Yes God is Spirit. And let's not forget we were made in His image and likeness and Christ came to restore this.

So?

Capbook2 said:
Yes, please proceed to the next verse 27, God will put His Spirit in us, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us (Rom 8:4) Paul used the term "in us"not "by us". It is by the Spirit and us walk by the Spirit, (Gal 5:25) the Spirit of the living God that wrote the Ten Commandments, engraved on stones (2Cor 3:3,7, Heb 8:8-10) now in our hearts, the more glorious ministry of the Spirit.

Yes 27 where it's says that we are given His Spirit to keep his statutes and ordinances according to the translation you used. Statutes and ordinances not the commandments. Though they are included they are not mentioned, only the Statutes and ordinances are mentioned.

HIM · Friday at 9:29 AM

SabbathBlessings said:
Jer 7:22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices.

Once again you are not reading the posts. No one said that the sacrifices offerings were to continue. Whay is being stated is that Jer 31 says Law is in our heart. Ezek 36 says Spirit will renew our heart. And Deut says the Word iis in our heart in context to hearkening unto God to keep His commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law.

And the fact that you are just floating your posts as rebuttal to mine without actually quoting them is rather wanting to say the least.

SabbathBlessings · Friday at 12:12 PM

HIM said:
Once again you are not reading the posts. No one said that the sacrifices offerings were to continue. Whay is being stated is that Jer 31 says Law is in our heart. Ezek 36 says Spirit will renew our heart. And Deut says the Word iis in our heart in context to hearkening unto God to keep His commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law.

And the fact that you are just floating your posts as rebuttal to mine without actually quoting them is rather wanting to say the least.

I never stated that.

I quoted what God said He was referring to, what He stated to the people. Jer 7:22-23

God never spoke to the people about anything that was in the book. That was Moses Exo 24

God only spoke the Ten Commandments Exo 20:1-17 God's commandments Exo20:6 and no more were added Deut 5:22 He wrote them on two tablets of stone Exo 31:18. God never needed man to complete anything for Him. His righteousness is eternal before Moses, before the book, its everlasting Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 Psa 119:141

If you wish to add something God did not that’s outside the scope of what I can reason with.

Be well.

HIM · Friday at 4:38 PM

SabbathBlessings said:
I never stated that.

I quoted what God said He was referring to, what He stated to the people. Jer 7:22-23

God never spoke to the people about anything that was in the book. That was Moses Exo 24

God only spoke the Ten Commandments Exo 20:1-17 God's commandments Exo20:6 and no more were added Deut 5:22 He wrote them on two tablets of stone Exo 31:18. God never needed man to complete anything for Him. His righteousness is eternal before Moses, before the book, its everlasting Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-2 Psa 119:141

If you wish to add something God did not that’s outside the scope of what I can reason with.

Be well.

So according to you it is okay to eat unclean animals? Have incest and want not because they are in the Book of the Law and are not even remotely brought up in the ten.

SabbathBlessings · Friday at 5:25 PM

HIM said:
So according to you it is okay to eat unclean animals? Have incest and want not because they are in the Book of the Law and are not even remotely brought up in the ten.

I have already explained my position- the book of the law was added because of sin. Gal3:10-19 Sin is breaking God’s law 1John3:4 James2:10-12 Mat5:19-30 what God said, not Moses. God is our Creator and He needs no one to complete anything for Him why after He spoke the Ten Commandments He added no more to them Deut5:22 its the whole law of God 2Chron33:8. This idea that if it wasn’t for Moses God's standard of righteousness would be incomplete, I think is misunderstanding God. Psa119:142 Psa 119:172 Psa89:14- God is eternal so is His righteousness, which came way before Moses and the book God told Moses to write.

When were clean meats added? In Eden. No one was eating any animals at Creation, it was added because of transgression. If someone was obeying the very first commandment in its true form Exo 20:3- nothing God asks would be violated.

When Jesus magnified His commandments Isa 42:21 Mat5:18-30 and showed lust is connected with the commandment to not commit adultery, where do you think incest stems from? Lust. If someone did not have lust in their heart would they be committing incest- no. Why God’s law is perfect for converting the soul Ps19:7 and very broad Psa 119:96 the law of Moses was only added because of sin- it contained the prescription for sin until the Seed- hence why it was beside the ark of God’s Ten Commandments as a witness against thee Deut31:24-26- the Ten Commandments is a standalone until Deut4:13 Exo34:28 written by God alone Exo31:18 God’s own Testimony, the works of God Exo32:16 inside the ark of God’s covenant Exo40:20 Exo25:16 in God’s heavenly temple Rev11:19 that was way before Moses or the book Heb8:1-5 Heb9:23-24

Why there is no sin that is not covered by the Ten Commandments why its the only law under God’s mercy seat Exo25:21 and what His blood atones for.

The saints keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus Rev14:12 nothing about the book - the book was only needed because of sin and to teach people about God's commandments- if God's laws lives in our hearts and minds we no longer need that tutor. God's laws are complete by God alone Exo31:18 Exo32:16 Deut4:13 nothing more we need to add or take from because God did not Deut5:22 Ecc3:14

Capbook2 · Saturday at 12:10 AM

HIM said:
Not sure why you keep going here as if there is any weight here in regard to what we speak.

Please don't continue with the insults. We are having a pleasant conversation I would rather keep it that way.

I don't mean to offend but as it was not addressed first it was pointed out, I make some emphasis by quoting the verse.
Sorry , if something in you was offended.

HIM said:
Yes God is Spirit. And let's not forget we were made in His image and likeness and Christ came to restore this.

So?

I make a point that as God is Spirit, it was the Spirit's ministry in hearts termed as "written" in our hearts in Jeremiah 31 quoted in Hebrews 8.

HIM said:
Yes 27 where it's says that we are given His Spirit to keep his statutes and ordinances according to the translation you used. Statutes and ordinances not the commandments. Though they are included they are not mentioned, only the Statutes and ordinances are mentioned.

As the Spirit can cause us to walk in God's statutes and ordinances, how much more of the Ten Commandments as God's Laws written by His fingers, now in our hearts. The requirements of the Law will be fulfilled in us, not by us, but by the Spirit in us. (Eze 36:27 Rom 8:4)

Rom 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

BobRyan · 2026-06-07T07:37:10-0500

Bob S said:
Would Isaiah be considered a Pharisee when He wrote Is 58:13? That meant the Sabbath keeper must not even think about worldly things.

secular topics are not appropriate for sanctified set apart time. It would be like inserting a how to segment on auto mechanics in the middle of a sermon

Bob S said:
... Jesus does not keep us from falling (sinning). He is there to pick us up when we do.

Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, 25 to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.

BobRyan · 2026-06-07T07:37:49-0500

BobRyan said:
Let's read the details in Acts 13 to explore the idea that in the NT we are told about weekly Sunday worship services for Christians replacing the Bible Sabbath worship services teaching for the people of God prior to that time.

We know from Acts 18:4 they "meet every Sabbath" for gospel preaching to both Jews and gentiles

But the suggestion being tested in this thread is that even though we have "every Sabbath" gospel preaching in worship service in Acts 18:4 (for both gentiles and Jews" but WHERE is the "every week day 1" worship service content???

Some say that the NT text does indeed mention "every Sabbath" (Acts 18:4) Gospel preaching..
YET still we imagine that they would ADD something like:

"and for those here wanting MORE gospel preaching join us TOMORROW for our weekly worship service for gospel accepting Christians that want to hear the gospel each week".

So then does Acts 13 support that suggestion or slam the lid on it??

In Acts 13 we have Paul preaching the pure gospel to a group of gentiles and Jews. An event where the chapter tells us many of the Jews are not entirely happy with what is going on (as stated in the text). Yet the gentiles are very happy with what they are hearing according to the text.

ACTS 13: NKJV
42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

It is clear from the Acts 13 text and gentile response that : the ONE thing Paul is NOT saying is "join us TOMORROW for more gospel preaching". How do we know that? Because the text says the gentiles wait for the Jews to leave the meeting then go to Paul and ask for MORE Gospel preaching to be scheduled for them THE NEXT SABBATH. (as opposed to the much supposed "tomorrow on what you are calling week day 1".

That fact alone sinks the entire "every sunday worship services happened even though never mentioned " idea

Finally the Acts 13 fact that the only objection the Jews had to the Gospel message is that "it was soooo popular with the flood of gentiles that came to hear it" the NEXT Sabbath, rather than the message about a sunday service "tomorrow' where we now meet in remembrance of the resurrection, for more gospel preaching!!.

We would expect the Jews to be saying "hey wait a minute " on that first Sabbath where they also would say "you are telling gentiles that God's people meet TOMORROW?" . The fact that the Jews only have one objection once all the gentiles show up "the next Sabbath" (and even the gospel accepting gentiles do not know of a gospel preaching meeting scheduled for "tomorrow") nor does Paul mention it when requested on this topic, solidifies the observation that NO such teaching was given.!

One may contrive some sort of scenario for not telling Jews about it, but not telling gentiles about "tomorrow's meeting", gentiles who are specifically asking in a private discussion with the gentiles after the Jews leave the synagogue , only has one logical conclusion... there was NO Such meeting, and Paul's message had NO Such teaching. That is a "hard stop"

"Some" may suggest "Sunday services was an early church tradition that evolved over time, one that we can track in history
while not seeing it at all in the Bible".. What? So in Acts 13 Paul "had not thought of it yet"?

We could argue that "Paul’s presence in the synagogues every Sabbath was a strategic mission" for evangelism not for Christian weekly meetings".
The problem with that is that "solution" is that it dismisses THE ONLY example we have in all of the NT for a weekly gospel preaching worship service.

You "would think" that if they had the mission of switching the day of worship for God's people FROM the Bible Sabbath TO some other day , this message would be at the top of their agenda ENOUGH to at least mention such a weekly worship service at least ONCE. At least as often as they mention their "EVERY SABBATH" gospel preaching in Acts 18:4.. instead we have "crickets..."

Acts 13 is A great place to mention "We meet every week day 1 , so if you want more gospel preaching join us TOMORROW", instead of leaving us with a NT text that does not make such a claim even ONCE.

Yet the gentile gospel-accepting believers were given no such invitation as Acts 13 shows, and so when the Jews leave the meeting the gentiles ask for MORE Gospel preaching to be scheduled for THEM , the NEXT Sabbath.

"Every week Sunday services" not only NEVER mentioned in scripture but also clearly absent from the entire Acts 13 narrative, a Christian narrative of a very "instructive" event.

The "every week Sunday services" suggestion simply does not survive close attention to detail in Acts 13.

That is the topic of this thread

BobRyan · 2026-06-07T07:49:52-0500

Capbook2 said:
I don't mean to offend but as it was not addressed first it was pointed out, I make some emphasis by quoting the verse.
Sorry , if something in you was offended.

I make a point that as God is Spirit, it was the Spirit's ministry in hearts termed as "written" in our hearts in Jeremiah 31 quoted in Hebrews 8.

As the Spirit can cause us to walk in God's statutes and ordinances, how much more of the Ten Commandments as God's Laws written by His fingers, now in our hearts. The requirements of the Law will be fulfilled in us, not by us, but by the Spirit in us. (Eze 36:27 Rom 8:4)

Capbook2 said:
Rom 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Gal 6:2 Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.

Rom 2:13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

James 1:
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

HIM · 2026-06-07T07:57:17-0500

Capbook2 said:
As the Spirit can cause us to walk in God's statutes and ordinances, how much more of the Ten Commandments as God's Laws written by His fingers, now in our hearts. The requirements of the Law will be fulfilled in us, not by us, but by the Spirit in us. (Eze 36:27 Rom 8:4)

Rom 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

God's Law would include His statutes, ordinances and His Commandments.

If it were just the Decalogue written on our hearts then it would be okay for you to marry your sister or brother, eat unclean animals, not love your enemies, lay with beasts, not take care of your waste properly, not be mindful of the word of God all the time, not teach it to our children and so forth.

Why do I say that?

Because no where in the Decalogue are those statutes, commandments mentioned. Not even remotely.

Capbook2 · 2026-06-08T00:34:55-0500

BobRyan said:
Gal 6:2 Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.

Rom 2:13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

Yes, Gentiles whom not having heard the Gospel but instinctively do the things of the Law, though not having the Law, are a law to themselves, as faith/believe was inapplicable.

BobRyan said:
James 1:
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

Yes, by God's grace we are saved through our faith, but faith should be shown by our good works.
We do good works as the result of our being saved not to be save. (Eph 2:8-10)

Capbook2 · 2026-06-08T01:11:12-0500

HIM said:
God's Law would include His statutes, ordinances and His Commandments.

I believe God's Laws were those fingerwritten by Him. (2 Cor 3:3,7)

HIM said:
If it were just the Decalogue written on our hearts then it would be okay for you to marry your sister or brother, eat unclean animals, not love your enemies, lay with beasts, not take care of your waste properly, not be mindful of the word of God all the time, not teach it to our children and so forth.

Why do I say that?

Because no where in the Decalogue are those statutes, commandments mentioned. Not even remotely.

In the Ten Commandments, it incorporate our love to God and neighbors.
If we have a relationship with God, means we have a relationship with "love" as God is love. (1John 4:8)
And loving our neighbors, second part of the Ten, a compliance to God/love, the first part of the Ten.
Jesus said, if we love Him we should do His Commandments, and doing so is good works. (Eph 2:10)
Knowing that unclean animals is not food, why eat?
If we consider it as food, who said so? God never did explicitly.

Does The "Weekly Sunday Services in NT" suggestion survive Acts 13? No?

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