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Question: How do you share the truth about this month, this issue with the lost or christians who listen to the world instead of the Holy Spirit?

How do you, as a Christian, minister to divorcees?

Let me phrase it another way. Why would you act any different toward queer people than any other sinner? All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And all are called to repentance. And all are invited to Christ's Table through the preaching of the Gospel and the gift of Holy Baptism.

The Church is called to preach the Gospel and repentance to all people.

Hyper-fixating on gay people is kind of weird.
 
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Question: How do you share the truth about this month, this issue with the lost or christians who listen to the world instead of the Holy Spirit?
I know people tend to get extremely defensive when you bring up anything being a sin, but being gay seems to hit a nerve with people harder due to the push by society that anyone who opposes it is automatically an evil person. How you share the information with someone depends on who you're approaching. If it's a lost person, you share Jesus first. Focus on God first, then repentance. When it comes to a worldly Christian, focus on scripture that shows this is a sin, and we are called to be outside of the world and not in it.

In both cases, don't force the point. If neither wants to listen, then let it go.
 
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The message that I work to communicate during the month of June is that God made us, God loves us, and Christ died for us. I tell people that they are beloved children of God.

I don't usually presume to tell strangers what their sins are. Yes, the person in front of me may have troubles with greed or sloth or some other sin. We are all sinners. But they can sort out their sins with their confessor, someone who knows them well and can counsel them in a way that a stranger cannot.
 
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The unique thing about LGBTQ+ is that there is an activist movement out there to convince everyone that their behavior is completely normal, and not sinful. Which necessitates that they portray Christians who see homosexuality as sinful (as the Bible states) as bigots and haters. Needless to say, I have a problem with that. And when they want to push their culture onto young children in school through the public school system and entertainment companies like Disney or Nickelodeon, that causes more concern.

If the guy next door wants to have a gay lover and/or dress like a woman, I couldn't care less. If he's an adult, he's old enough to make his own decisions. If he's trying to push those views onto children, I have more of a problem with it.

As for Pride Month, I've never understood why anyone should be proud of their sexual orientation. Especially when they always tell us that it isn't a choice, that they were born that way. Love is love? Do they say that about pedophiles too?
 
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I don't see a month celebrating divorced people, or heterosexual preferences.

Pride Month is a celebration of sexual preferences and same-sex marriage by gay people
and celebration of sexually confused transgender people who think they can change
sex according to the way the feel.

It's being accepted here in MA, I don't know about the rest of the nation,
but my former parish has transgender people doing readings at Mass and
supporters of same sex marriage serving the alter. I wouldn't mind that so much,
but they go to rallies and protests against Catholic teachings on the issue.
 
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The unique thing about LGBTQ+ is that there is an activist movement out there to convince everyone that their behavior is completely normal, and not sinful.

It's only according to a strict Biblical sexual ethic that it's sinful. If someone is not adhering to such an ethic in other ways, then labeling this a sin doesn't make a lot of sense. From what I see, most people aren't abiding by that ethic.


Which necessitates that they portray Christians who see homosexuality as sinful (as the Bible states) as bigots and haters.

I don't think the Bible is quite as clear on that point as you do, but regardless, the unfortunate reality is that a lot of the backlash from Christians on this point has been fueled by bigotry and hate (and fear and opportunism).

If we make an analogy to folks who keep kosher or eat halal, they both think it's wrong to eat pork. Orthodox Jews think it's so wrong to work on Sundays that they won't even push buttons on elevators. But nobody (that I'm aware of) accuses them of being bigoted or hateful against people who don't share those views.

Christians could have handled this situation differently, in a way that was both internally consistent and kind. But they didn't.


Needless to say, I have a problem with that. And when they want to push their culture onto young children in school through the public school system and entertainment companies like Disney or Nickelodeon, that causes more concern.

Do you have the same standard for displays of heterosexuality that fall afoul of a strict Christian sexual ethic?

As for Pride Month, I've never understood why anyone should be proud of their sexual orientation. Especially when they always tell us that it isn't a choice, that they were born that way. Love is love? Do they say that about pedophiles too?

I don't understand "pride", either. But I don't understand taking pride in any inherited attribute.

I actually think pedophiles should get more ?credit? (not a great word choice, but I'm struggling to think of a better one) for being born that way - not to condone it, but to better get them help.


I don't see a month celebrating divorced people, or heterosexual preferences.

Every month celebrates heterosexual preferences.
 
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It's only according to a strict Biblical sexual ethic that it's sinful. If someone is not adhering to such an ethic in other ways, then labeling this a sin doesn't make a lot of sense. From what I see, most people aren't abiding by that ethic.




I don't think the Bible is quite as clear on that point as you do, but regardless, the unfortunate reality is that a lot of the backlash from Christians on this point has been fueled by bigotry and hate (and fear and opportunism).

If we make an analogy to folks who keep kosher or eat halal, they both think it's wrong to eat pork. Orthodox Jews think it's so wrong to work on Sundays that they won't even push buttons on elevators. But nobody (that I'm aware of) accuses them of being bigoted or hateful against people who don't share those views.

Christians could have handled this situation differently, in a way that was both internally consistent and kind. But they didn't.





Every month celebrates heterosexual preferences.
Not a celebration but the way of life. Sorry it upsets you!
 
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It's only according to a strict Biblical sexual ethic that it's sinful. If someone is not adhering to such an ethic in other ways, then labeling this a sin doesn't make a lot of sense. From what I see, most people aren't abiding by that ethic.
The Bible is very strict when it comes to sexual immorality, and you're right, most people don't abide by it. That does exactly nothing to change God's word, however. From what I see, the Bible is very consistent on portraying homosexuality as sinful.

I don't think there is any way you can state that without the activists accusing Christians of hate and bigotry. I thought Charlie Kirk was very kind with his remarks on the subject, and he got shot for it.
 
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I don't think there is any way you can state that without the activists accusing Christians of hate and bigotry.

A lot of it comes down to how you say it and what you expect to be done about it. At this point, with decades of history behind you, yeah, people will probably be touchy about it. Expressing is as a standard by which you live your own life will be better received than expressing it as a standard you expect to be imposed on others in society - just as being kosher or vegan is. Nobody cares if you're vegan until you start harassing the butcher.



I thought Charlie Kirk was very kind with his remarks on the subject, and he got shot for it.
Charlie Kirk said lots of hateful stuff. I don't recall his comments on LGBTQ issues, but he certainly hit it on other topics.
 
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Charlie Kirk said lots of hateful stuff. I don't recall his comments on LGBTQ issues, but he certainly hit it on other topics.
He was shot because he viewed LGBTQ behavior as sinful. Whenever I saw him speak with gay people, he basically said "I welcome you to join the conservative moment, but full disclosure, as a Christian, I view homosexuality as sinful".

I have nothing against homosexuals, they are just sinners like the rest of us. What I object to is the activism, part of which is to nullify God's Word on the subject. And most especially the movement to push their values onto children in school.
 
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Elaborate.
The shooter's boyfriend was trans, it stands to reason that was a big part of what he considered hateful messaging. But from what I have heard from Charlie Kirk, from a Christian perspective, I didn't think Kirk's message was hateful. The activists apparently thought otherwise.
 
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The shooter's boyfriend was trans

And that is relevant to what you said how exactly?

Are you familiar with the distinction between causality and correlation?
 
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That's a thread about a kid's show promoting Pride Month to children. Conservatives are against that, as I said before.
The implication is that it’s an inappropriate sexualization of children. The obvious contrast is that they levy no such complaints about heterosexual themes being presented to children, as if those aren’t also somewhat sexual in nature.
 
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The implication is that it’s an inappropriate sexualization of children. The obvious contrast is that they levy no such complaints about heterosexual themes being presented to children, as if those aren’t also somewhat sexual in nature.
Heterosexual relationships have a function for reproducing the species and for creating the nuclear family. Viewing the presentation of LGBTQ material to children as unhealthy does not mean there is hatred toward individuals involved. The activists apparently feel otherwise, as they have an entirely different agenda.
 
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