I am curious why Republicans ignore Trump's wrong doing.

Dublin.Rules.89 · Sunday at 1:39 PM

Lukaris said:
Personally, I don’t believe the accusations of Trump being a rapist or a pedophile or the 34 counts from the trial by the Michael Avenatti/Stormy Daniels law firm.

Trump was being accused of rape back in the 70s long before his political carrerr or social media, several victims of Epstien have accused Trump of raping them back when they were teenagers...they do not want money or there names released because they know what will happen...the maga people will harrass and abused them. If it was one or two times you could say someones lying...but he has been accused over 30 times...and some of the vicitims were raped in 90s and were teenagers...If a man over 40 forces a girl who is 14 to have sex...HE IS A PEDOPHILE!!!!! And I lean towards believing those girks cause they do not want money, or to right a book, or even be identified. The fact is Donald Trump would have gone to prison back in the 80s if he as not rich..there were to many woman accusing him for there not to be some truth to it

Aldebaran · Sunday at 1:49 PM

Dublin.Rules.89 said:
Trump was being accused of rape back in the 70s long before his political carrerr or social media, several victims of Epstien have accused Trump of raping them back when they were teenagers...they do not want money or there names released because they know what will happen...the maga people will harrass and abused them. If it was one or two times you could say someones lying...but he has been accused over 30 times...and some of the vicitims were raped in 90s and were teenagers...If a man over 40 forces a girl who is 14 to have sex...HE IS A PEDOPHILE!!!!! And I lean towards believing those girks cause they do not want money, or to right a book, or even be identified. The fact is Donald Trump would have gone to prison back in the 80s if he as not rich..there were to many woman accusing him for there not to be some truth to it

Your last line, "there were to many woman accusing him for there not to be some truth to it" seems to be what they count on. After one person makes an accusation, a whole flood of others magically come out of the woodwork. then we're supposed to believe that there must be some "truth" to it for that reason alone.
It reminds me of how some people will say that if they were to serve on a jury, they would vote the defendant as guilty automatically because there would obviously be "some truth to the accusation" if the case managed to go all the way to trial.

Lukaris · Sunday at 2:22 PM

While I have long known that Donald Trump is a celebrity, I basically ignored him until he gained traction in 2016. At the last minute on primary day ( 2016 in Pennsylvania) I voted for Trump over my original choice of Ted Cruz. Cruz and Trump seemed like the only candidates who would help free the election choices from the Bush & Clinton oligarchs. Cruz seemed the better choice but I didn’t think he would succeed. I never fixated on Trump as many people do. I looked for leadership that, I hoped, would steer us towards reasonable prosperity & isolationism while still providing foreign aid with less fraud etc. Trump, I believe, delivered the first time & governed at arm’s length. This hope no longer exists.

I try not to muddle my faith with politics since there are plenty of other Christians I politically disagree with as there are many non Christians I politically agree with. Sure, there are social & cultural issues that affect how I live my faith but I have to keep the big picture in mind ( Ephesians 2:8-10, John 16:33, Matthew 24 & 25 etc.).

A New Dawn · Sunday at 2:37 PM

Jeff Carr said:
Sadley, your comment just proves what I wrote.

Most of us American Christians who voted for Trump knew we were not voting for a pastor, and considering all the other choices on the left had really disgusting policies and were personally hateful, in general, against conservative voters, there was no other choice. I agree with Trump on most of his major policies and, while he does things that I sometimes consider juvenile, it’s no different from how most of the leftist politicians act on any given day.

A New Dawn · Sunday at 2:38 PM

Dublin.Rules.89 said:
Trump was being accused of rape back in the 70s long before his political carrerr or social media, several victims of Epstien have accused Trump of raping them back when they were teenagers...they do not want money or there names released because they know what will happen...the maga people will harrass and abused them. If it was one or two times you could say someones lying...but he has been accused over 30 times...and some of the vicitims were raped in 90s and were teenagers...If a man over 40 forces a girl who is 14 to have sex...HE IS A PEDOPHILE!!!!! And I lean towards believing those girks cause they do not want money, or to right a book, or even be identified. The fact is Donald Trump would have gone to prison back in the 80s if he as not rich..there were to many woman accusing him for there not to be some truth to it

Please produce the evidence to support what you say. I’m sure it must be readily available for you to yell in all caps about it.

ViaCrucis · Sunday at 3:16 PM

Most people I know who vote Democrat, including myself, would argue that if Clinton is guilty he should be thrown behind bars. I don't know anyone who is so loyal to Bill Clinton that they are willing to excuse him of sexual assault, rape, or other things.

What I see on the Republican side, however, is blatant hypocrisy. In spite of a rather long history of sexually immoral behavior from Donald Trump and the fact that he is, indisputably, an adjudicated rapist. Loyalty to Trump means Trump can't do any wrong. And if he did do anything wrong, it wasn't that serious. And if it was that serious, then we should just forgive him. And even if it is unforgivable, then all politicians are corrupt so ultimately, it's okay.

Support for Trump is built upon one thing and one thing only: Hate. The entire MAGA movement is fueled purely by hate. All fascist movements are rooted in hatred, anger, and fear. The American Right has perpetuated a narrative of fear and hate mongering through it's made-up culture war, and that has, in the form of Trumpism, created a domestic fascist movement in America. And so the conservatives of yesterday have been slowly radicalized by propaganda and now, wittingly or unwittingly, become supporters of fascism.

When I say that the United States, as a free democratic republic, is dying under the boot-heel of fascism, I'm not trolling, being hyperbolic, or just speaking provocatively. I'm speaking soberingly as someone who observes what is going on, knows history, and is watching the dying breaths of democracy in his own country.

If we do not, as a nation, stop what is going on, we aren't going to have a country to fight for.

But, of course, I'm what MAGA deems "the enemy", so my opinion doesn't matter.

Servus · Sunday at 3:48 PM

Dublin.Rules.89 said:
Yeah but he was accused of rape back in the 70s, this was going on long before social media or his political carreer. And you know what people were making accusations about clinton as well. My question is why do both republicans and democrats not care about there leaders being the scum of the earth

Because they're all filthy rotten scum themselves. Is that what you're after?

A New Dawn · Sunday at 4:04 PM

ViaCrucis said:
Most people I know who vote Democrat, including myself, would argue that if Clinton is guilty he should be thrown behind bars. I don't know anyone who is so loyal to Bill Clinton that they are willing to excuse him of sexual assault, rape, or other things.

What I see on the Republican side, however, is blatant hypocrisy. In spite of a rather long history of sexually immoral behavior from Donald Trump and the fact that he is, indisputably, an adjudicated rapist. Loyalty to Trump means Trump can't do any wrong. And if he did do anything wrong, it wasn't that serious. And if it was that serious, then we should just forgive him. And even if it is unforgivable, then all politicians are corrupt so ultimately, it's okay.

Support for Trump is built upon one thing and one thing only: Hate. The entire MAGA movement is fueled purely by hate. All fascist movements are rooted in hatred, anger, and fear. The American Right has perpetuated a narrative of fear and hate mongering through it's made-up culture war, and that has, in the form of Trumpism, created a domestic fascist movement in America. And so the conservatives of yesterday have been slowly radicalized by propaganda and now, wittingly or unwittingly, become supporters of fascism.

When I say that the United States, as a free democratic republic, is dying under the boot-heel of fascism, I'm not trolling, being hyperbolic, or just speaking provocatively. I'm speaking soberingly as someone who observes what is going on, knows history, and is watching the dying breaths of democracy in his own country.

If we do not, as a nation, stop what is going on, we aren't going to have a country to fight for.

But, of course, I'm what MAGA deems "the enemy", so my opinion doesn't matter.

I’m sorry, but this is not worth the paper it is written on. All one has to do is look at where the vast majority of the hate is coming from to know which side is the more hateful. Where were the dozen-or-so assassination attempts on the leftist politicians? Which political leaders have called for their constituents to harass Trump and the conservative voters, and even call for his death?

The only thing Trump is a danger to is the leftist’s political agenda. An agenda that most of the country doesn’t agree with.

ViaCrucis · Tuesday at 11:20 AM

A New Dawn said:
I’m sorry, but this is not worth the paper it is written on. All one has to do is look at where the vast majority of the hate is coming from to know which side is the more hateful. Where were the dozen-or-so assassination attempts on the leftist politicians? Which political leaders have called for their constituents to harass Trump and the conservative voters, and even call for his death?

The only thing Trump is a danger to is the leftist’s political agenda. An agenda that most of the country doesn’t agree with.

Meanwhile the current administration has been sending armed thugs into American cities, committing mass violence, depriving people of their Constitutionally-guaranteed rights, and this has resulted in several people being murdered.

Perhaps you don't care about things like truth, freedom, or the dignity of human beings. And perhaps you have to lie to yourself every night so you can sleep easier--you do you boo. But when all is said and done, each and every one of us is going to stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Try reading you Bible once in a while.

A New Dawn · Tuesday at 12:05 PM

ViaCrucis said:
Meanwhile the current administration has been sending armed thugs into American cities, committing mass violence, depriving people of their Constitutionally-guaranteed rights, and this has resulted in several people being murdered.

Perhaps you don't care about things like truth, freedom, or the dignity of human beings. And perhaps you have to lie to yourself every night so you can sleep easier--you do you boo. But when all is said and done, each and every one of us is going to stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Try reading you Bible once in a while.

Again, nothing but hateful hyperbole. Those people who died didn’t because they broke the laws and put themselves in places doing things that were illegal. It’s sad that they died because they didn’t have to, but that’s what happens when they take their walking orders from corrupt politicians who encourage them to do illegal things (as mentioned in my post you quoted.)

Delvianna · Tuesday at 12:16 PM

The problem is, there isn't a moral person running for president... ever. This whole argument is pointless in my opinion, because they're all corrupt, theyre all rotten and you're wondering why people voted for an immortal person when there isn't a single moral option. It's like being upset someone chose a pig, when the only option are pigs in a pig pen.

Politicians are like celebrities. They have people to make themselves look good and you have opposition to spill the dirt. The idea that there will be some moral person as a candidate and actually win the primaries, is like waiting for hell to freeze over.

Akita Suggagaki · Wednesday at 9:35 AM

Delvianna said:
The problem is, there isn't a moral person running for president... ever. This whole argument is pointless in my opinion, because they're all corrupt, theyre all rotten and you're wondering why people voted for an immortal person when there isn't a single moral option. It's like being upset someone chose a pig, when the only option are pigs in a pig pen.

Politicians are like celebrities. They have people to make themselves look good and you have opposition to spill the dirt. The idea that there will be some moral person as a candidate and actually win the primaries, is like waiting for hell to freeze over.

So we must pick the least corrupt. Can that be so hard? There is no excuse for off the chart corruption and then just saying, “They are all corrupt.”

Delvianna · Wednesday at 10:02 AM

Akita Suggagaki said:
So we must pick the least corrupt. Can that be so hard? There is no excuse for off the chart corruption and then just saying, “They are all corrupt.”

Yep. I voted for the least corrupt. Trump.

iluvatar5150 · Wednesday at 3:03 PM

A New Dawn said:
Where were the dozen-or-so assassination attempts on the leftist politicians?

Jan 8, 2011, Tuscon, AZ
June 14, 2025, Brooklyn Park, MN

Have we forgotten those already?

Pretty much every president has at least a few nutters try to take a shot at them:

List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

iluvatar5150 · Wednesday at 3:20 PM

Aldebaran said:
Not really. It is quite clear to pretty much everyone that Trump's detractors will exaggerate and even fabricate things against him simply because they don't like him and they resent the fact that he won another election and is the president rather than their own guy being the president. When we see enough false claims being made against him, it is obvious that his detractors are doing nothing but crying wolf. That's when we know to ignore them.
So all this talk about his so-called failings and "behavior" becomes quite easy to to ignore after hearing about it for the past six years.

Then forget what his detractors say. You don't need our opinions to see what things have actually happened:

The call with Ukraine where he tried to hold back arms sales in exchange for political favors actually happened.

Jan 6 happened. Trump tried to run a con on the entire country by installing fake electors and convincing everybody that he was the legitimate winner of the election. His fanbase, with some encouragement from him, then stormed the capitol.

The pardons of people who committed violence against police happened.

The mountain of conflicts of interests with regards to his family's ongoing business entanglements exists.

If "lawfare" was wrong for Democrats, how is it okay to engage in it to a much greater and more overt degree?

His language is course, frequently dishonest, and deliberately divisive. That's often touted as part of his appeal.

His SECDEF is threatening committing war crimes and may have actually committed some.

That's ignoring any policy and administrative choices that are obviously misguided and often punitive; that's ignoring his assault allegations. That's stuff that's all out in the open and hard for any honest person to deny. And yet, it doesn't seem to draw any criticism from you guys. Why?

A New Dawn · Wednesday at 3:53 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
Jan 8, 2011, Tuscon, AZ
June 14, 2025, Brooklyn Park, MN

Have we forgotten those already?

Pretty much every president has at least a few nutters try to take a shot at them:

List of United States presidential assassination attempts and plots - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Minnesota attempt was done at the behest of the governor (a Democrat) because they were voting against the policies he was pushing.

Maybe I worded my question poorly. Where are the Republican leaders who are calling on their constituents to take out their opponents, and the nut jobs who have listened to them?

iluvatar5150 · Wednesday at 4:29 PM

A New Dawn said:
The Minnesota attempt was done at the behest of the governor (a Democrat) because they were voting against the policies he was pushing.

No. No, it was not. That was just a bunch of lies put out by people on your side including (checks wikipedia) Mike Cernovich, Elon Musk, a congressman, a couple senators, and President Trump.

The killer was a conservative anti-abortion activist. But I guess those guys didn't bother pushing the corrected message loudly, did they?

A New Dawn said:
Maybe I worded my question poorly. Where are the Republican leaders who are calling on their constituents to take out their opponents, and the nut jobs who have listened to them?

Well, we can look at Jan 6, when Trump admonished the crowd to "fight like hell" and then made comments about Mike Pence not having the "courage" to do what Trump thought was right. Those comments were taken to heart by more than a few people in the audience, who subsequently stormed the capitol and tried to break through a set of barricaded doors behind which were a bunch of politicians certifying the election.

This is a little less direct, but here's the state department talking about "replacement immigration", describing it as an "invasion" and migrants as "foreigners from the worst corners of the world." Replacement theory and hatred of immigrants has been fuel for loads of attacks.

An example of after-the-fact support of political violence is the handling of the murder of Garret Foster, in which Daniel Perry made a bunch of comments about wanting to kill BLM protestors, then drove his car into a crowd of protestors and shot and killed one of them. Despite knowing all of the stuff Perry said, as well as more things that were not admissable in court but that bolstered claims of his motivations, Greg Abbott still sought (and received) an expedited pardon for him.

ETA: Here's a new after-the-fact one from this past weekend:

Minnesota Republicans rebuked for Derek Chauvin moment of silence

Attorney general Keith Ellison says gesture at convention was an ‘act of profound cruelty’ to George Floyd’s family

www.theguardian.com

It's hard not to see some of these examples and come away with the belief that they're condoning violence.

A New Dawn · Wednesday at 9:46 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
No. No, it was not. That was just a bunch of lies put out by people on your side including (checks wikipedia) Mike Cernovich, Elon Musk, a congressman, a couple senators, and President Trump.

The killer was a conservative anti-abortion activist. But I guess those guys didn't bother pushing the corrected message loudly, did they?

Well, we can look at Jan 6, when Trump admonished the crowd to "fight like hell" and then made comments about Mike Pence not having the "courage" to do what Trump thought was right. Those comments were taken to heart by more than a few people in the audience, who subsequently stormed the capitol and tried to break through a set of barricaded doors behind which were a bunch of politicians certifying the election.

This is a little less direct, but here's the state department talking about "replacement immigration", describing it as an "invasion" and migrants as "foreigners from the worst corners of the world." Replacement theory and hatred of immigrants has been fuel for loads of attacks.

An example of after-the-fact support of political violence is the handling of the murder of Garret Foster, in which Daniel Perry made a bunch of comments about wanting to kill BLM protestors, then drove his car into a crowd of protestors and shot and killed one of them. Despite knowing all of the stuff Perry said, as well as more things that were not admissable in court but that bolstered claims of his motivations, Greg Abbott still sought (and received) an expedited pardon for him.

ETA: Here's a new after-the-fact one from this past weekend:

Minnesota Republicans rebuked for Derek Chauvin moment of silence

Attorney general Keith Ellison says gesture at convention was an ‘act of profound cruelty’ to George Floyd’s family

www.theguardian.com

It's hard not to see some of these examples and come away with the belief that they're condoning violence.

So no examples of republican leaders calling for their constituents to take out their political opponents. Gotcha.

Aldebaran · Wednesday at 10:23 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
Then forget what his detractors say. You don't need our opinions to see what things have actually happened:

The call with Ukraine where he tried to hold back arms sales in exchange for political favors actually happened.

Jan 6 happened. Trump tried to run a con on the entire country by installing fake electors and convincing everybody that he was the legitimate winner of the election. His fanbase, with some encouragement from him, then stormed the capitol.

The pardons of people who committed violence against police happened.

The mountain of conflicts of interests with regards to his family's ongoing business entanglements exists.

If "lawfare" was wrong for Democrats, how is it okay to engage in it to a much greater and more overt degree?

His language is course, frequently dishonest, and deliberately divisive. That's often touted as part of his appeal.

His SECDEF is threatening committing war crimes and may have actually committed some.

That's ignoring any policy and administrative choices that are obviously misguided and often punitice; that's ignoring his assault allegations. That's stuff that's all out in the open and hard for any honest person to deny. And yet, it doesn't seem to draw any criticism from you guys. Why?

You've proven my point by naming only the things you view as negatives while ignoring everything else. That shows that you're not being objective in your viewpoint.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 12:11 AM

A New Dawn said:
So no examples of republican leaders calling for their constituents to take out their political opponents. Gotcha.

Trump’s statements on Jan 6 were about as close as any American politician of either party has gotten in recent history.

I’m not sure what your point is. Do you have examples of Dems doing this?

Aldebaran said:
You've proven my point by naming only the things you view as negatives while ignoring everything else. That shows that you're not being objective in your viewpoint.

Did you forget what the topic of the thread is?

I am curious why Republicans ignore Trump's wrong doing.

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