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In your fervency, you seem to imagine Trump would be dictator over the entire world.
I was simply responding to someone who was praising Trump, or at least the United States for negotiating rather than dictating even though Trump is always accused of being a dictator.
 
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You mean that it shows Trump to be a negotiator and not be a dictator?
No I don't mean that. I mean that negotiation is his only option. He thought he could win this idiocy by throwing his weight around, backed up by the pseudo macho posturing of his ridiculous Sec of Defence. Lob a few missiles about, tell the Iranian people that they should rise up and it was all going to be raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens.

Now you know different.
I'm so glad you see him as the reasonable and intelligent negotiator that he is.
If you are lucky then you might eventually get close to what you started with before Trump ripped up the agreement with Iran and this clown show hit the road.

The problem is now that the Iranians won't trust anything that Trump says (I can't say I'd blame them - nobody else does either). So at best you'll have gone backwards. And you've spent a fortune, it's costing regular people a lot of expense (the vast majority of whom do not want anything to do with this war), Trump has angered a lot of friends and allies and made the world a more dangerous place.

And you think that this is the mark of a master negotiator?

Come back to the real world for heaven's sake.
 
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And the domestic in the US seems to be consuming it to try to make it sound as if we're really getting pounded by the Iranians. We've lost 13 service members, with the last one being on March 12th. Compare that with how many of the Iranian military continue to be killed, and that will give you a clearer picture of whether or not we are on the losing side.
Yes, the USA is killing an impressive amount of iranians during this ceasefire.
 
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No I don't mean that. I mean that negotiation is his only option. He thought he could win this idiocy by throwing his weight around, backed up by the pseudo macho posturing of his ridiculous Sec of Defence. Lob a few missiles about, tell the Iranian people that they should rise up and it was all going to be raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens.

Now you know different.

If you are lucky then you might eventually get close to what you started with before Trump ripped up the agreement with Iran and this clown show hit the road.

The problem is now that the Iranians won't trust anything that Trump says (I can't say I'd blame them - nobody else does either). So at best you'll have gone backwards. And you've spent a fortune, it's costing regular people a lot of expense (the vast majority of whom do not want anything to do with this war), Trump has angered a lot of friends and allies and made the world a more dangerous place.

And you think that this is the mark of a master negotiator?

Come back to the real world for heaven's sake.
On the contrary, the option to take out their ports and energy infrastructure still exists. The Iranians realize that after everything they've already been hit with, which is why the Iranians are....(wait for it!)....negotiating.
 
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Yes, the USA is killing an impressive amount of iranians during this ceasefire.
Unless you think those boats laying mines and shooting at our ships are remote-controlled.
 
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On the contrary, the option to take out their ports and energy infrastructure still exists. The Iranians realize that after everything they've already been hit with, which is why the Iranians are....(wait for it!)....negotiating.
Maybe you're unfamiliar with the concept of 'winning'. It means that you end up with what you wanted to achieve. That you have more than you started with. That you got what you wanted.

Trump is now negotiating to reach a point that existed before he ripped up the deal with Iran. He has spent literally billions of dollars, He's gutting medical research to try to pay for it, thousands have been killed (including all those schoolkids), the world is teetering on the edge of a recession, your cost of living has increased (as it has for most people), you've used up a chunk of your armaments, you've caused your friends to turn away from you and look to form different alliances with those they can actually trust and Trump has changed and revised and delayed and altered what he says he plans to do on, in some cases, a daily basis. He has lied and obfuscated and people are beginning to realise that he's not anywhere near capable enough to hold office.

His polling figures are in the toilet and the tide is beginning to turn as regards what was unconditional support from the GOP. Note the recent abandonment of his slush fund and his defeat with the Arts Centre. Likewise he's been forced to withdraw his one billion dollar funding for the ballroom (and see edit below).

On a less serious note, his grand party has had to be cancelled because almost all the second rate artists due to appear at his bidding have told him to stick it. You'll apparently have to listen to him for an hour or two instead, telling you that the election was stolen, how he brilliantly conceived the term Dumocrats ('not many people know that dumb is spelt with a B!') and how he can tell the difference between a zebra and rhino not once, not twice, but on 4 separate occasions (you do know, I presume, that he's been given this same cognitive test 4 times in the last 18 months? It's used to check for dementia and someone is concerned enough to ensure that it's done on a regular basis. Have you never considered why that is?)

No, he's not winning Iran. He's desperate just to get out of the mess without looking like an incompetent idiot (alas, too late, DJ) and he's losing his base into the bargain.

And you think that all that can be described as winning. Your position is not credible.

Edit: Plus this...https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/03/house-passes-war-power-resolution-trump-iran

'The US House of Representatives delivered a stunning rebuke to Donald Trump over his war on Iran on Wednesday, as representatives backed a move to force him to seek approval from Congress or withdraw US forces.

The House voted 215 to 208 in favor of the war powers resolution, as four Republicans voted with Democrats. The dissident Republicans were Thomas Massie of Kentucky, Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Warren Davidson of Ohio and Tom Barrett of Michigan.'
 
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Maybe you're unfamiliar with the concept of 'winning'. It means that you end up with what you wanted to achieve. That you have more than you started with. That you got what you wanted.

Trump is now negotiating to reach a point that existed before he ripped up the deal with Iran. He has spent literally billions of dollars, He's gutting medical research to try to pay for it, thousands have been killed (including all those schoolkids), the world is teetering on the edge of a recession, your cost of living has increased (as it has for most people), you've used up a chunk of your armaments, you've caused your friends to turn away from you and look to form different alliances with those they can actually trust and Trump has changed and revised and delayed and altered what he says he plans to do on, in some cases, a daily basis. He has lied and obfuscated and people are beginning to realise that he's not anywhere near capable enough to hold office.

His polling figures are in the toilet and the tide is beginning to turn as regards what was unconditional support from the GOP. Note the recent abandonment of his slush fund and his defeat with the Arts Centre. Likewise he's been forced to withdraw his one billion dollar funding for the ballroom (and see edit below).

On a less serious note, his grand party has had to be cancelled because almost all the second rate artists due to appear at his bidding have told him to stick it. You'll apparently have to listen to him for an hour or two instead, telling you that the election was stolen, how he brilliantly conceived the term Dumocrats ('not many people know that dumb is spelt with a B!') and how he can tell the difference between a zebra and rhino not once, not twice, but on 4 separate occasions (you do know, I presume, that he's been given this same cognitive test 4 times in the last 18 months? It's used to check for dementia and someone is concerned enough to ensure that it's done on a regular basis. Have you never considered why that is?)

No, he's not winning Iran. He's desperate just to get out of the mess without looking like an incompetent idiot (alas, too late, DJ) and he's losing his base into the bargain.

And you think that all that can be described as winning. Your position is not credible.

Edit: Plus this...https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/03/house-passes-war-power-resolution-trump-iran

'The US House of Representatives delivered a stunning rebuke to Donald Trump over his war on Iran on Wednesday, as representatives backed a move to force him to seek approval from Congress or withdraw US forces.

The House voted 215 to 208 in favor of the war powers resolution, as four Republicans voted with Democrats. The dissident Republicans were Thomas Massie of Kentucky, Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, Warren Davidson of Ohio and Tom Barrett of Michigan.'
You forgot the part where Iran (the #1 sponsor of terrorism around the world) will no longer be possessing a nuclear weapon.
But keep focusing on everything but that, and you'll always miss the point.
 
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You forgot the part where Iran (the #1 sponsor of terrorism around the world) will no longer be possessing a nuclear weapon.
They never possessed a nuclear weapon. So it is not a case of 'no longer'.
 
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They never possessed a nuclear weapon. So it is not a case of 'no longer'.
Best to wait until they do, right? Just like waiting for the robber to pull the trigger on the gun he's pointing at you before taking any action. Good thing Trump realizes we needed to be proactive.
 
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You forgot the part where Iran (the #1 sponsor of terrorism around the world) will no longer be possessing a nuclear weapon.
But keep focusing on everything but that, and you'll always miss the point.
Excuse me having to shout, but this point is obviously not getting through to a lot of people:

THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY POSSIBILITY OF DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS BECAUSE THEY HAD AGREED TO BE CONSTANTLY ASSESED WITH ONSITE INVESTIGATIONS UNTIL TRUMP RIPPED UP THE AGREEMENT THAT ENFORCED THAT.

Are you not able to grasp that? They started enriching uranium to weapons grade again because of Trump. It was his fault that this was happening. And then he said he totally destroyed their operations. Did you not get that message from him? He sent in bombers and, in his own words “Iran’s key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.”

So what in heaven's name was he doing going to war? Did he lie to you then or is he lying now? In any case, it doesn't matter because as you read this he's trying to get an agreement that will come nowhere near the deal you had before this dumpster fire was lit.

Do you not understand any of this? Is it the game plan to just ignore it? Why aren't you addressing any of it?
 
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Best to wait until they do, right?
They'd be 10 years further away if Trump hadn't ripped up the JCPOA.

He could have used his vaunted negotiating powers to start from that point to extend the JCPOA or get the 'better' deal he imagines he will now deliver.
 
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Excuse me having to shout, but this point is obviously not getting through to a lot of people:

THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY POSSIBILITY OF DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS BECAUSE THEY HAD AGREED TO BE CONSTANTLY ASSESED WITH ONSITE INVESTIGATIONS UNTIL TRUMP RIPPED UP THE AGREEMENT THAT ENFORCED THAT.

Are you not able to grasp that? They started enriching uranium to weapons grade again because of Trump. It was his fault that this was happening. And then he said he totally destroyed their operations. Did you not get that message from him? He sent in bombers and, in his own words “Iran’s key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.”

So what in heaven's name was he doing going to war? Did he lie to you then or is he lying now? In any case, it doesn't matter because as you read this he's trying to get an agreement that will come nowhere near the deal you had before this dumpster fire was lit.

Do you not understand any of this? Is it the game plan to just ignore it? Why aren't you addressing any of it?
Are you trying to say that Trump caused Iran to start enriching uranium to build a nuke? Trump must wield quite a bit of power to be able to make that happen. That's the kind of president we should always have.
 
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They'd be 10 years further away if Trump hadn't ripped up the JCPOA.

He could have used his vaunted negotiating powers to start from that point to extend the JCPOA or get the 'better' deal he imagines he will now deliver.
Or Iran could have stopped being the world's #1 sponsor of terrorism, and maybe it wouldn't have mattered so much if they became the proud owner of a brand new nuke.
 
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Are you trying to say that Trump caused Iran to start enriching uranium to build a nuke?
Trump removed the thing that prevented Iran from enriching uranium.
 
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Trump removed the thing that prevented Iran from enriching uranium.
Then it looks like we're both reaching the conclusion that Iran can't be trusted. They're a violent group and will fund terrorism and cause as much death and destruction as they can, which explains why they so desperately want a nuke. And here I've been wasting time listening to people tell me that Iran never posed a threat to the United States.
 
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Are you trying to say that Trump caused Iran to start enriching uranium to build a nuke?
What? Is that a serious question or an at attempt at humour? I may have to shout out loud again.

THEY WEREN'T BUILDING A NUKE.

They were complying with an agreement that prevented them doing that. Then Trump tore up that agteement. And gee, they started enriching uranium again. What in heaven's name did you think they were going to do?

Let me ask you something. Trump is now trying to negotiate a deal so that he can get out of this mess. Let's say that he manages to get them agree to:

Hand over any enriched uranium stockpile and agree not to produce any weapons-grade material.
Dismantle most of its centrifuges.
Allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) access to monitor Iran’s nuclear supply chain, including uranium mines and centrifuge manufacturing facilities to make sure they comply.

That would satisfy anyone. It would end this unholy mess and give him an off ramp. I personally don't think he'll get a deal like that. He's not capable of doing so. But let's bend over backwards and say that it was somehow possible. No doubt he'll crow about it and tell you what a wonderful negotiator he is. He'll probably tell you that he's ended another war. And you'll be effusive in your praise of this Master Of The Deal.

And you'll be back exactly where you were when he tore up the original agreement. The thousands of lives and billions of dollars will have been a monstrous waste.
 
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What? Is that a serious question or an at attempt at humour? I may have to shout out loud again.

THEY WEREN'T BUILDING A NUKE.

They were complying with an agreement that prevented them doing that. Then Trump tore up that agteement. And gee, they started enriching uranium again. What in heaven's name did you think they were going to do?

Let me ask you something. Trump is now trying to negotiate a deal so that he can get out of this mess. Let's say that he manages to get them agree to:

Hand over any enriched uranium stockpile and agree not to produce any weapons-grade material.
Dismantle most of its centrifuges.
Allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) access to monitor Iran’s nuclear supply chain, including uranium mines and centrifuge manufacturing facilities to make sure they comply.

That would satisfy anyone. It would end this unholy mess and give him an off ramp. I personally don't think he'll get a deal like that. He's not capable of doing so. But let's bend over backwards and say that it was somehow possible. No doubt he'll crow about it and tell you what a wonderful negotiator he is. He'll probably tell you that he's ended another war. And you'll be effusive in your praise of this Master Of The Deal.

And you'll be back exactly where you were when he tore up the original agreement. The thousands of lives and billions of dollars will have been a monstrous waste.
You can shout all you want, but I didn't say they were building a nuke, which means everything you said after what you put in ALL CAPS was irrelevant.
 
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Then it looks like we're both reaching the conclusion that Iran can't be trusted.
Why? Everything suggests they were abiding by the agreement. We're the ones who abrogated it.
 
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You can shout all you want, but I didn't say they were building a nuke...
But they were building one before Obama's 2016 deal. They had enough of an uranium stockpile to create 8 to ten nuclear bombs. Obama did a deal whereby they'd reduce their stockpile of uranium by 98% and keep further enrichment to below 4% (sufficient for nuclear energy plants). They were complying. Until Trump tore up the agreement and they restarted the process of developing nuclear weapons.

Because of Trump's monstrously stupid act they restarted high levels of enrichment. The equipment to do this is what Trump said he had 'completely destroyed'. He wouldn't have had to even attempt that if the agreement had remained. What he could have done was build on it. Extend it.

So what have we now got? As I said, thousands of lives lost, billions of dollars spent, heavy cuts to services in the US to help pay for it, the global economy on the verge of a recession and your president is now desperately trying to renegotiate the exact same deal he threw in the Oval Office waste paper basket!

Even if he does get the same deal (and one would have to be a complete idiot to bet on him getting anywhere near it) then all of this has been a monstrously, criminally insane waste of time, money and lives.
 
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Then it looks like we're both reaching the conclusion that Iran can't be trusted.

Of course they can't be trusted. The JCPOA wasn't about trust and the terms made it pretty clear that nobody on our side trusted them. If we trusted them, there wouldn't have been a provision to reimpose sanctions if they violated the terms.

You don't need trust in a transactional relationship. All you need is the ability to independently verify that what the other party says is true. It's why you get an independent inspection of a house or a used car before you buy it. It's why we have food inspectors and consumer protection laws, etc. They might still try to cheat you, but hopefully your inspections are robust enough to catch that. And as long as the goods check out, what does it matter whether or not the other party is generally untrustworthy? You still got the goods you were expecting.

But I'm also not sure what about their enrichment constituted being untrustworthy. They didn't hide what they were doing. We broke the terms of the deal by reimposing sanctions, to which they responded by restarting their enrichment program and amassing stockpiles, claiming that they'd stop once we dropped the sanctions.

I don't think it's accurate to say that Trump "caused" them to restart their enrichment program, but as noted, he removed the only thing incentivizing them from doing so and then replaced it with nothing. Their current stockpiles are the result of living under his plan for the last ~9 years. This is his world, not Obama's.
 
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