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No one has to misuse 1 John 1:8

Just read it. We can not say we have no sin. It needs to simply be read. And people who claim they are sinless are open liars, available for all to see. Even the unbelievers know that, and rightfully laugh and scorn at such claims, knowing full well that's not the case. Even THEY know that much truth.

Where I grew up they said "The pope puts his pants on just like we do."

Oh, except a lot of times they wear dresses aka silky robes with silk tasseled belts and weird little hats of various sorts.
Put the verse back into its immediate context.

v7.'but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN'.

How much sin does this verse say we have after being cleansed by the blood of Christ? None! Nil! Nada!
So, your interpretation of verse 8 'we can not say we have no sin' in the light of verse 7 is wrong.

v9' If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.'

Again, how much 'unrighteousness' do we have after being cleansed from ALL unrighteousness? None! Nil! Nada!

So again, your interpretation of v 8 that 'we can not say we have no sin' is wrong.

Can you not see the error of taking v8 out of its context and making a blanket statement, 'We can not say we have no sin' is not only misleading, its poor hermeneutics, it's Antinomian error.
 
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I have been over this time and time again. Forgive me, but I am tired of answering the same old questions.

In regard to 1 Jn 1:8, see my thread, 'the Misuse of 1 Jn 1:8'.
I went to the cite and all I saw was the verse repeated in different versions. If you cannot answer the question here, then do not post here please.
 
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Who made you the Boss of the Forum to go telling people if and when they can post?
Nobody made me boss. Did I not say please?

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. NKJV

Yes, you are correct in that when we are in Jesus we do not commit any sin that God imputes to us. God treats any sin committed in Jesus as childish misbehavior which Paul and the apostles called sin. While we are in Jesus, God expects us to work on this misbehavior so we can be sanctified. We are left on earth for 2 basic reasons. The first is to help build His church and the second is to become sanctified, less sinful. If we are not working to become sanctified God has two options. John 15:1 If we love Jesus more that the world he will take us home as He did with the ones in Corinth who disrespected the body of Jesus. Matthew 10:38-39, Mark 8:34-35 and Luke 9:23-24 the second option of the Father if we love the world the father will take us out of Jesus. Romans 8: 14 to be sanctified we must walk in the Spirit and become a child of God. Hebrews 2:11 if we are being sanctified we are considered to be brethren of Jesus. If you have no conviction of childish misbehavior there is no evidence of sanctification which, to me, means the second option must have been taken.
 
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Put the verse back into its immediate context.

v7.'but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN'.
When you see sin is of the devil maybe you'll understand why sins are not counted against people. 2 Cor 5:19
How much sin does this verse say we have after being cleansed by the blood of Christ? None! Nil! Nada!
They were never counted against people to start with.
So, your interpretation of verse 8 'we can not say we have no sin' in the light of verse 7 is wrong.
I won't be letting the devil off the hook for sins and neither should you.

Issue is you just see you in the equations.
v9' If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.'

Again, how much 'unrighteousness' do we have after being cleansed from ALL unrighteousness? None! Nil! Nada!
Evil does come from within in the forms of evil lawless thoughts which defile us. Mark 7:21-23. Those Words of Jesus still apply to everyone. So does Romans 3:9 and Romans 3:19.

Problem will still be you only see you in the equations. Scriptures sees you and our adversary, Mark 4:15, 1 John 3:8
So again, your interpretation of v 8 that 'we can not say we have no sin' is wrong.
We still can't say we have no sin because we do bear the adversary between our own 2 ears. You just bypass that part.
Can you not see the error of taking v8 out of its context and making a blanket statement, 'We can not say we have no sin' is not only misleading, its poor hermeneutics, it's Antinomian error.
I think you're simply deceiving yourself.

It's a common affliction
 
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Put the verse back into its immediate context.

v7.'but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son CLEANSES US FROM ALL SIN'.
Sounds like you missed the obvious as well. There are TWO PARTIES involved with SIN.

Sin is of who? Who? Oh, yeah, the DEVIL! Mark 4:15, 1 John 3:8

Is it remotely conceivable to you that sins are not counted against people, per 2 Cor. 5:19

but, here is the big BUT...

SINS are counted against the devil and his messengers. That's your only path to CLEANSING.

Otherwise it's just you, evil within fully intact, and only YOU to blame. Mark 7:21-23

Now your position can continue to delude itself, thinking you're NEVER tempted internally by the TEMPTER.

Or you can realize that it's a fact.
How much sin does this verse say we have after being cleansed by the blood of Christ? None! Nil! Nada!
So, your interpretation of verse 8 'we can not say we have no sin' in the light of verse 7 is wrong.
And I've already cited Paul stating he was still a sinner, the chief of same even, after salvation, 1 Tim. 1:15.

Jesus advised us quite clearly that evil lawless thoughts defile us, Mark 7:21-23. There is no logical escape from this conclusion unless we are in FULL BLOWN DENIAL of our Saviour's Own Words to that effect.

Yes, evil does come from within because it's within to come from. No, your and my and everyone else's sorry hides are NOT free from the evil present within us. Romans 7:21 is as real today as it was for Paul.

What we ALL should be able to come to a conclusion on is that A. Sin is of the devil and that B. Our adversary, the TEMPTER does tempt us with evil lying lawless THOUGHTS, and er, ah, that would happen INTERNALLY.
v9' If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.'
Draw a simple divide between YOURSELF and our ENEMY and you'll have the subject LICKED.

Otherwise you'll simply stay in nonsense land. You might even think you are sinless Jesus Himself if you delude yourself long enough.
Again, how much 'unrighteousness' do we have after being cleansed from ALL unrighteousness? None! Nil! Nada!

So again, your interpretation of v 8 that 'we can not say we have no sin' is wrong.
There are no "interpretations" necessary. As soon as we say we have NO SIN we're back to the same problem. As soon as you falsely claim you are cleansed of ALL AND EVERY SIN AND ARE SINLESS you are saying YOU HAVE NO SIN and John's little trap nailed you again and will continue to nail you again and again. John set this trap up purposefully, as he set up a couple more that are likewise just as interesting in 1 John. It's made to chase the liars out of the woodwork.
Can you not see the error of taking v8 out of its context and making a blanket statement, 'We can not say we have no sin' is not only misleading, its poor hermeneutics, it's Antinomian error.
I can assure you that the evil lawless thoughts that defile us all are very much against the laws, always.

And guess what? That evil will never be legal or comply with the laws in any way shape or form, but will in fact LIE and say it is LAWFUL. That's what liars do.
 
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There's stumbling where we fall short fail and mess up from time to time.

And then there's practicing sin. Like a doctor practices medicine.
Sinning from time to time means those who are not sinning at any particular time are sinless, and that is assuredly NEVER the case.

We are all sinners, period. Never sinless.

The sinless state was reserved for One Man, God in Christ. There are no other takers.
 
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Sinning from time to time means those who are not sinning at any particular time are sinless, and that is assuredly NEVER the case.

We are all sinners, period. Never sinless.

The sinless state was reserved for One Man, God in Christ. There are no other takers.
I'm talking about overt sin. There's all kinds of less noticeable sins of commission and omission we commit daily.
 
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I'm talking about overt sin. There's all kinds of less noticeable sins of commission and omission we commit daily.
Sin is of the devil, degrees of same irrelevant with the perp in the sights

Paul leveled the field for everyone in Romans 3:9, Romans 3:19 and even put himself at the bottom of the pile of what could be considered some far more serious contenders for last place in 1 Tim. 1:15

Paul also pointed directly to temptation in his flesh in Gal. 4:14 and even stated he had a messenger of Satan in his flesh in 2 Cor. 12:7. Not hard to connect Satan to temptations, sin and the evil present within us that comes from within, Romans 7:21, Mark 7:21-23

Thinking sin is placed on equal ground to doing by Jesus in Matt. 5:28, just to emphasize the point, I'm sure
 
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