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Hegseth Strikes Female and Black Navy Officers from Promotion List

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From the New York Times: "In a move that disproportionately targets women and minority officers, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth recently blocked the promotions of at least seven Navy officers who had been selected by a board of senior Navy admirals."

"Mr. Hegseth’s actions, which appear to violate the rules governing a promotion system that is supposed to be apolitical and merit-based, were described by four current and former defense officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters."

"Mr. Hegseth’s removal of the officers from the one-star list is highly unusual, said the current and former defense officials. According to Pentagon rules, the defense secretary is only supposed to pull officers from the list for moral, mental, physical or professional failings that raise questions about the officers’ fitness to lead.

"Mr. Hegseth’s actions are the latest in a series of firings and personnel interventions that seem to be driven by his anti-diversity politics rather than the officers’ performance. Taken together, they could reshape the military’s top ranks for years to come."

"Earlier this year, Mr. Hegseth also removed four colonels — two Black men and two women — from the Army’s list of nominees for one-star general over the objections of Army Secretary Daniel P. Driscoll. Mr. Driscoll insisted that the officers had a long history of exemplary service and had done nothing wrong.

"Officers selected for one-star rank are picked by a board of admirals or generals who review hundreds of personnel files over the course of meetings that can span two weeks. Only about 5 percent of those eligible for promotion to one-star are chosen, making it the most competitive board in the U.S. military.

"The lists are then reviewed by the service secretaries and the defense secretary, who under Pentagon rules may strike names in limited circumstances, like the emergence of new information that raises questions about the officers’ qualifications for service.
The unpredictability of Mr. Hegseth’s interventions has created an atmosphere of anxiety and mistrust among the military’s top ranks, military officials said."

Blocking women for promotion seems to align with comments from Hegseth's book, “We need moms. But not in the military, especially not in combat units.” Keeping Blacks from the top ranks of the military would seem to fit in with some of the racist attitudes from this administration. Neither are good for the US Military.
 
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It seems they only want white men to go fight for Israel.
Speaking of which: https://www.timesofisrael.com/lacki...to-womanpower-1-in-5-fighters-are-now-female/

'Maj. Sapir Barabi, head of the Sources Department at the IDF Personnel Directorate, noted that between 2012 and 2024 – based on recruitment yearbook data – the number of female combat soldiers rose tenfold.

Regarding the types of combat roles open to women, the IDF said that women can today be assigned to 58% of combat positions.'
 
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It seems they only want white men to go fight for Israel.
If this is how we get back to the good old days of only the wealthy going to war… I say we look at this glass as being half full.
 
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There is no room for "better" in a world of equality. So DEI has got to go.

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“We don’t talk about that out of respect for those officers,” he said. Instead, he spoke broadly of the need to correct for years of “gender and demographic engineering” that he asserted had blunted the effectiveness of U.S. troops on the battlefield.

There you go. If you have to engineer for gender and demographics, then you aren't picking the best candidates based on merit. Hegseth is correcting the past by focusing more on merit. Weaker candidates now get rejected. Note that four out of the nine rejected candidates were white men.

This reminds me of weaker admission standards for some groups at universities, then they go on to disproportionally drop out of STEM majors. Promoting weaker candidates doesn't help them. Their military careers can blow up because of mistakes, or they provide weaker leadership that can get people killed. Often this shows up in naval incidents.
 
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Hegseth is correcting the past by focusing more on merit.
You can't have skipped the quote:

'“We need moms. But not in the military..."

We all know what he thinks. Because he says it out loud sometimes (he's not that smart). He actually tells us that he's not focussed on merit, but gender. You obviously read the OP. You obviously read what he said.

Don't tell us that he means one thing when he literally says the other. Please, don't treat us like idiots. I really don't appreciate it.
 
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You can't have skipped the quote:

'“We need moms. But not in the military..."

We all know what he thinks. Because he says it out loud sometimes (he's not that smart). He actually tells us that he's not focussed on merit, but gender. You obviously read the OP. You obviously read what he said.

Don't tell us that he means one thing when he literally says the other. Please, don't treat us like idiots. I really don't appreciate it.

Wow. Serious attitude problem. I assume you can read, and I shouldn't have to explain everything.

You automatically assume the worst without evidence. We don't know the details of each rejection. Hegseth has repeatedly said that he wants to focus on merit, not gender and demographics, like the Obama and Biden administrations.

You act like moms are just GUYS who happen to have one or more kids. There are serious practical issues with moms when the military has to go to war. Same with regular women with unintended pregnancies. During the Gulf war, the nondeployment rate for women was 3x the men's rate in some services. Apparently, pregnancy was the primary driver.
 
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I assume you can read...
Yes, I can. And I'll assume that you have that same ability. But reading is not enough. Comprehension is the key. So if someone says that women should not be in combat roles and 'moms should not be in the military' then it says something about that person's attitude to women in the military. Maybe he thinks that dads shouldn't be in service either, but that wasn't mentioned. So I'll assume he didn't say it. Consequently, and hey, this is just me, but he seems to be concentrating on gender and not, as you rightly point out, concentrating on merit.
Hegseth has repeatedly said that he wants to focus on merit, not gender...
We can both see that his comments don't reflect that. Yet it seems that only one of us accepts it.
 
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Instead, he spoke broadly of the need to correct for years of “gender and demographic engineering” that he asserted had blunted the effectiveness of U.S. troops on the battlefield.

There you go. If you have to engineer for gender and demographics, then you aren't picking the best candidates based on merit.
Even if we grant the arguable point that biased decisions were made in the past, it is unfair now to also make biased promotion judgments. All of these candidates were fully vetted -- we have no reason to believe they did not merit this. Hegseth's 'unusual' action requires explanation -- I hope Congress asks him about it.
 
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From the article:
“We don’t talk about that out of respect for those officers,” he said. Instead, he spoke broadly of the need to correct for years of “gender and demographic engineering” that he asserted had blunted the effectiveness of U.S. troops on the battlefield.

There you go. If you have to engineer for gender and demographics, then you aren't picking the best candidates based on merit. Hegseth is correcting the past by focusing more on merit. Weaker candidates now get rejected. Note that four out of the nine rejected candidates were white men.

The "he" in question is just Hegseth. This is just Hegseth's opinion which the article notes was just an assertion. Where is the data that says women and non-whites in the flag ranks reduce effectiveness of US troops. (Does Hegseth know that naval officers aren't "troops"?)
 
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There is no room for "better" in a world of equality. So DEI has got to go.

From the article:
“We don’t talk about that out of respect for those officers,” he said. Instead, he spoke broadly of the need to correct for years of “gender and demographic engineering” that he asserted had blunted the effectiveness of U.S. troops on the battlefield.

There you go. If you have to engineer for gender and demographics, then you aren't picking the best candidates based on merit. Hegseth is correcting the past by focusing more on merit. Weaker candidates now get rejected. Note that four out of the nine rejected candidates were white men.

This reminds me of weaker admission standards for some groups at universities, then they go on to disproportionally drop out of STEM majors. Promoting weaker candidates doesn't help them. Their military careers can blow up because of mistakes, or they provide weaker leadership that can get people killed. Often this shows up in naval incidents.
Are you trying to tell me that if true, all white male candidates were of merit? From the article:
"In a break with protocol, Mr. Hegseth also urged senior Navy officials to include Capt. William Francis Jr., a Navy SEAL who serves as Mr. Hegseth’s special assistant, on the one-star list, current and former Navy officials said. Captain Francis’ lack of command experience made him ineligible for promotion under the board’s rules and he was not selected, officials said.
So he is not qualified because he lacked experience. What does Capt William Francis Jr look like?

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Not Black. Not a woman. So spare the excuses for blatant "they are black and/or a women so it must be DEI" racial and sexual discrimination.
 
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There is no room for "better" in a world of equality. So DEI has got to go.

From the article:
“We don’t talk about that out of respect for those officers,” he said. Instead, he spoke broadly of the need to correct for years of “gender and demographic engineering” that he asserted had blunted the effectiveness of U.S. troops on the battlefield.

There you go. If you have to engineer for gender and demographics, then you aren't picking the best candidates based on merit. Hegseth is correcting the past by focusing more on merit. Weaker candidates now get rejected. Note that four out of the nine rejected candidates were white men.

This reminds me of weaker admission standards for some groups at universities, then they go on to disproportionally drop out of STEM majors. Promoting weaker candidates doesn't help them. Their military careers can blow up because of mistakes, or they provide weaker leadership that can get people killed. Often this shows up in naval incidents.

What "standards" are there for 1 star generals that would cause women to have issues meeting the standard?
 
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There is no room for "better" in a world of equality. So DEI has got to go.

From the article:
“We don’t talk about that out of respect for those officers,” he said. Instead, he spoke broadly of the need to correct for years of “gender and demographic engineering” that he asserted had blunted the effectiveness of U.S. troops on the battlefield.

There you go. If you have to engineer for gender and demographics, then you aren't picking the best candidates based on merit. Hegseth is correcting the past by focusing more on merit. Weaker candidates now get rejected. Note that four out of the nine rejected candidates were white men.

"Correcting the past" would involve booting the generals who were promoted in the past. If he's trying to correct the past by culling new nominees to rebalance the ranks in the way he'd like, then what he's doing is essentially affirmative action.
 
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