Stopped_lurking
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Yeah, I can't justify pulling Feb 2026 out of context like that.
In WW2, about 2-3% of the German civilian population died as a result of the war. In Gaza, about 2-3% of the Gazan population (and remember that this figure INCLUDES Hamas terrorists, not just civilians) died as a result of the recent war. Approximately 0.0039% to 0.0067% of the Iranian population has died as a result of the military conflict with the United States and Israel since Feb 2026.
That that number is heavily influenced by the length and type of conflict, and which weapons are available.
Was it wrong to fight against the Axis powers in WW2 based on that percent of civilian casualties, which was higher than both the war in Gaza and the recent offensive in Iran?
No, they started WW2. Strategic bombings was used levelling large parts of cities (which was a major source of german civilian deaths). Germany was working under a doctrine of total war, so a lot of more targets were seen as justified. Even so, it is discussed from time to time if the bombings of Dresden in february 1945 were justified.
Also the fact is the US started a war with Iran in 2026. The US claims that it is trying to spare civilians, so the best comparator to determine how that is working is to look at a soldier to civilian ratio (Germany in WW2, 4000000 soldiers to 500000 civilians), the numbers are still discussed so say between so let's say 7-9 soldiers were killed per civilian to leave some room for some uncertainty. This was in a war that didn't have precision guided munitions.
We don't have the final tally of the distribution of civilian and soldier deaths in Iran yet, but some napkin math with the data from HRANA (Day 39 of U.S. and Israeli Attacks on Iran: Extensive Damage to the Rail Network and Roads - Hrana) and the Jerusalem Post (More than 6,000 IRGC members killed since start of Iran war | The Jerusalem Post) gives the ratio of ca 1 to 1 (HRANA, I do think this is understating the iranian military losses) or ca 4 to 1 (jpost + HRANA for the civilian deaths). These are not numbers to brag about, in an age of precision munitions, and a war that was fought with those munitions.
Killing civilians in war of one's own choosing is much harder to justify. Saying that it is for the civilians benefit seem cruel (I'm sorry you had to die, but that is a sacrifice I was prepared to make). It is of little comfort to the dead or their families.
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