1 Cor 16:2 can't be made to say "the main worship day for the NT church was always the first day of the week"

Jan001 said:

Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all their multitude. 2 And on the seventh day God finished the work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all the work that he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all the work that he had done in creation.

I don't know the day of the week Adam and Eve sinned.

God chose to "bless and hallow" Saturday, the seventh day of the week, because he had finished his work of creation the previous six days.

God's first covenant with the Israelites required them, his chosen people, to keep holy the seventh day also.

Jesus Christ chose to "bless and hallow" Sunday, the first day of the week, because he had finished his work of redemption by rising from the dead on that day.

Jesus Christ's new covenant with his disciples from all nations requires them, his chosen people, to keep holy the first day of the week. Revelation 1:10

I think it is unwise to ignore the apostles' plain teaching: Gentile Christians do not need to keep the seventh-day Sabbath law of the Israelites/Jews.


The apostles' teaching to the Gentiles concerning the Law of Moses and its Sabbath, festival, dietary, and new moon laws:

Acts 15:24-29
Since we have heard that some persons from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

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Can you please point out in any of these verses where it says sin started on Creation week? That’s what you claimed and why the Sabbath was “added” but it’s not in any of these passages you quoted. Not one.

I also find it interesting that in your belief that serving the LORD the way the LORD personally asks Isa56:6 is in your view a burden. I pray you take a moment and reflect on what you are trying to project on God’s spoken word. It’s not what it says in Acts 15 - it says in the verse you left out, they were keeping every Sabbath, in every city for many many generations Acts 15:21 because this is according to God’s written and spoken will Psa40:8 and Testimony Exo31:18 Exo20:8-11 God’s people fear God and keep His commandments Ecc12::13-14 Rev14:7-12 not follow who changed God’s written Testimony Dan7:25 He promised He would not Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 and told us not to add or take from it. Deut4:2 Ecc3:14 Pro30:5-6 Rev22:18

God doesn’t need our help with His word- speaking for God and essentially over God is not how we are to serve Him. His words have power Psa33:9, ours do not.

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Jesus Christ chose to "bless and hallow" Sunday, the first day of the week, because he had finished his work of redemption by rising from the dead on that day.

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There is not one Scripture that says this- you would actually need to quote Jesus saying this and not you, which I hope you see the difference. I would be careful adding our words to God’s. The Bible warns us doing this Pro 30:5-6 we have free will but God makes good on His promises.

SabbathBlessings said:

Can you point out in any of these verses where it says sin started on Creation week? That’s what you claimed and why the Sabbath was “added” but its not in any of these passages you quoted and I find it interesting that your belief that serving the LORD the way the LORD asks Isa56:6 is in your view is a burden. It’s not what it says in Acts 15 - they were keeping every Sabbath, in every City Acts for many many generations Acts 15:21 because this is according to God’s written and spoken will Psa40:8 and Testimony Exo31:18 . Again reading so many verses out of context and adding what you want it to say and not what the Text actually says. We can literally make the Bible say anything we want doing this, but in the end sadly we just deceive ourselves.

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I don't recall ever stating that "sin started on creation week."

The first covenant-practicing Jews in the first century AD had kept their Sabbath every week for many generations; new covenant-practicing Gentile Christians were the first generation to keep the Lord's Day!

Come into the new covenant. The first covenant is obsolete! Hebrews 8:13

It is certainly easy to deceive ourselves.

SabbathBlessings said:

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There is zero Scripture that says this- you would actually need to quote Jesus saying this and not you, which I hope you see the difference. I would be careful adding our words to God’s. The Bible warns us doing this Pro 30:5-6 but we have free will but God makes good on His promises.

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The explanation I gave is one I read years ago, which was the opinion of an early church father.

There doesn't have to be a scripture for something to be true. "Scripture only" is your doctrine, not Jesus Christ's.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.


Once again, no Sabbath requirement for Gentile Christians:

Acts 15:24-29
Since we have heard that some persons from us (Judaizers) have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

Jan001 said:

I don't recall ever stating that "sin started on creation week."

The first covenant-practicing Jews in the first century AD had kept their Sabbath every week for many generations; new covenant-practicing Gentile Christians were the first generation to keep the Lord's Day!

Come into the new covenant. The first covenant is obsolete! Hebrews 8:13

It is certainly easy to deceive ourselves.


The explanation I gave is one I read years ago, which was the opinion of an early church father.

There doesn't have to be a scripture for something to be true. "Scripture only" is your doctrine, not Jesus Christ's.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.


Once again, no Sabbath requirement for Gentile Christians:

Acts 15:24-29
Since we have heard that some persons from us (Judaizers) have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

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Sure you did, when you claimed the Sabbath was added because of transgression. When God said the Sabbath started as part of His perfect plan before sin Exo20:11. The law that tells us what sin is when breaking 1John3:4 James 2:10-12 cannot be the same law that was added because of sin. Deut 31:24-26 Sadly Paul's writings get so taken out of context and the Bible forewarned us of this as well 2Peter3:16

And once again, you never actually quote Scripture that supports what you claim- you claimed Jesus said He Blessed and hallowed the first day. Yet once again you quote no such Scripture.

God only Blessed and hallowed one day- God personally wrote these words- God is Jesus.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

What God does is forever Ecc3:14

I know that whatever God does,
It shall be forever.
Nothing can be added to it,
And nothing taken from it.
God does it, that men should fear before Him.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

God does not change Mal 3:5.

Editing God’s words and replacing it with a day God never Blessed or hallowed but made for work and labors Exo20:9 I would be careful, because says what God says does not matter, what I say does and I can going to say it in the name of the LORD when He did not, which even makes it worse.


You claim keeping the Sabbath means being a Judaizer- when the Sabbath according to God started at Creation before Jew, before Israel, before Moses- just man and God. God rested on the seventh day and blessed it, made it for mankind Mark 2:27 and God blesses the man who keeps it Isa56:2 man cannot reverse God’s blessings Num23:20 because man is not God, they can only forfeit their own Psa 37:22.

God will sort this all out on His time.

SabbathBlessings said:

Sure you did, when you claimed the Sabbath was added because of transgression. When God said the Sabbath started as part of His perfect plan before sin Exo20:11. The law that tells us what sin is when breaking cannot be the same law that was added because of sin. Sadly Pauls writings get so taken out of context and the Bible forewarned us of this as well 2Peter3:16

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I said the first covenant Law of Moses was added because of the Israelites' transgressions (against God) in the desert. Galatians 3:19

SabbathBlessings said:

And once again, you never actually quote Scripture that says what you claim- you claimed Jesus said He Blessed and hallowed the first day. Yet once again you quote no such Scripture.

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I don't need to. It is part of the oral tradition of the apostles, not their scripture tradition. Both are equally important.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

SabbathBlessings said:

You claim keeping the Sabbath means being a judaizier-

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No, Judaizers are the people who keep insisting that other people keep the Sabbath of the Jews.

What we should all be teaching is this:

The Sabbath was a sign between God and the Israelites only. None of the other nations kept the Sabbath of the Israelites.

Exodus 31:13
You yourself are to speak to the Israelites: “You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, given in order that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you.


Under Jesus Christ's new covenant, the Israelite generations were made obsolete, therefore their Sabbath law was also made obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of “a new covenant,” he has made the first one obsolete. And what is obsolete and growing old will soon disappear.

Hebrews 7:12
For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Romans 10:12
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and is generous to all who call on him.


Colossians 3:9-11
Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have stripped off the old self with its practices 10 and have clothed yourselves with the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of its creator. 11 In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all!


Every Christian can know Christ's new covenant laws regarding the Sabbath, circumcision, dietary, festival, and new moon laws of the first covenant Jews. As you can see from the following teaching, these first covenant laws do not exist anymore:

Acts 15:24-29
Since we have heard that some persons from us (Judaizers) have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

Jan001 said:

I said the first covenant Law of Moses was added because of the Israelites' transgressions (against God) in the desert. Galatians 3:19

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The law of Moses that was written by Moses placed beside the ark of God's covenant as a witness against thee written in a book Deut 31:24-26 what Paul is quoting Gal 3:10 was added because of sin which contained all the animal sacrifices for sin until the Seed Heb10:1-10

The Ten Commandments is sin when breaking called the "ministry of death" written by God on tablets of stone 2Cor3:7 because the wages of sin is death Rom6:23 which is still sin in the NC 1John3:4 James 2:10-12 but the ministry is through Christ as He is our Mediator and High Priest and through abiding in Him- He can change our heart and we can keep His laws written in our minds to know and do them, written in our hearts because we love Him and want to keep them 2Cor3:3 and can do this now in the NC through the power of the Holy Spirit John14:15-18 not everyone is in this covenant with God Jer 31:33 Heb8:10 because they do not subject themselves to the terms Rom8:7-8- they serve Him on their terms, not God's Isa56:6

Jan001 said:

I don't need to. It is part of the oral tradition of the apostles, not their scripture tradition. Both are equally important.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.


No, Judaizers are the people who keep insisting that other people keep the Sabbath of the Jews.

What we should all be teaching is this:

The Sabbath was a sign between God and the Israelites only. None of the other nations kept the Sabbath of the Israelites.

Exodus 31:13
You yourself are to speak to the Israelites: “You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, given in order that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you.


Under Jesus Christ's new covenant, the Israelite generations were made obsolete, therefore their Sabbath law was also made obsolete.

Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of “a new covenant,” he has made the first one obsolete. And what is obsolete and growing old will soon disappear.

Hebrews 7:12
For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Romans 10:12
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and is generous to all who call on him.


Colossians 3:9-11
Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have stripped off the old self with its practices 10 and have clothed yourselves with the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of its creator. 11 In that renewal there is no longer Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and free; but Christ is all and in all!


Every Christian can know Christ's new laws regarding the Sabbath, circumcision, dietary, festival, and new moon laws. They are as follows:

Acts 15:24-29
Since we have heard that some persons from us (Judaizers) have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

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You don't need to quote God when you claim its something He said but can't find it anywhere in our Bibles. Pro30:5-6

Jesus taught this is how man should live by:

Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

This is what Jesus said when we keep mans traditions over the commandments of God, which the 4th commandment is. Exo20:6 Exo20:1-17 Deut4:13

Mat 15:” 3 He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ 5 But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,”[a] 6 he need not honor his father.’ So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God.

Mark 7:7 in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”

This is in God's hands and He will sort it out soon enough, I guess its a matter of which voice one wishes to serve. How God said Isa56:6 or the ones who changed it Dan7:25 Rom6:16

SabbathBlessings said:

You don't need to quote God when you claim its something He said but can't find it anywhere in our Bibles. Pro30:5-6

I see this is a mindset I can't reason with, but I wish you well.

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Pro 30:5-6
Every word of God proves true;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words,
or else he will rebuke you, and you will be found a liar.


This means, "Do not add to the words of the OT scriptures."

You don't realize you add your words to the OT scriptures each time you claim that the Jewish Sabbath is God's law for Christians. Christianity did not exist when Proverbs was written.

Jan001 said:

A Judaizer is a Jewish believer, usually from the party of the Pharisees, who insists that non-Jewish believers become Jews and keep the Law of Moses: its circumcision, dietary, festival, and Sabbath laws.

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Thank you for answering my question. And it is true that the Pharisees "Said" they were promoting God's Circumcision, God's Commandments, God's statutes and judgments concerning what is food and the purpose of God's Sabbaths.

But should a person consider what Jesus said concerning their Religion?

John 7: 19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

And again;

John 5: 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

And again;

Matt. 15: 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not God or His Laws He gave to Moses)

And again;

Mark 7: 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well "ye reject the commandment of God", that ye may keep your own tradition.

And again;

John 8: 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, "ye believe me not".

And again;

Matt. 23: 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

And again;

Matt. 23: 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

And this SAME Christ, before becoming a man in the Person of Jesus, Inspired Ezekiel.

Ez. 20: 18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.

And this SAME Christ, before becoming a man in the Person of Jesus, Inspired Malachi.

Mal. 2: 7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. 8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts. 9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye "have not kept my ways", but have been partial in the law.

So Jan001, Someone has convinced you that the Pharisees were promoting "The Law of Moses", and clearly the Pharisees, who called the God of Abraham, "Lord, Lord, SAID they were promoting the Law of Moses. But the Christ "of the Bible" said over and over and over that they were not. They were supposed to walk in and promote the Law of Moses, as Jesus said taught the multitudes and His Disciples.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus "to the multitude, and to his disciples",

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, "that observe and do"; but do not ye after their works: for "they say", and do not.

Their job as a Levite Priest was to teach the Righteousness of God. But what they promoted instead, was their own Righteousness they went about to establish. Their own high days and sabbaths. Their own traditions concerning clean and unclean. Their own commandments. And they had led many astray who adopted their religious philosophies and Traditions. It was, in large part, why Jesus came in the first place, to expose their commandments contained in ordinances that were "Against men".

It seems prudent to point out a Levite Priest that had not adopted their religious traditions and commandments of men.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

You will notice that Zacharias knew of, and had Faith in the Lord's Christ, before HE was even born, and knew Him when HE was still in diapers.

This is the difference between the Pharisees, "Who Said" they promoted the Law of Moses, and the Church of God, who "Walked in the Law of Moses".

So then, according to your definition of "Judaizer", mixed with the Truth of the Pharisees clearly shown by Christ and EVERY Inspired Word of God, "Judaizers" are men who "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."

This is 100% confirmed in Acts 15. I'll show you in another post.

Jan001 said:

Pro 30:5-6
Every word of God proves true;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words,
or else he will rebuke you, and you will be found a liar.


This means, "Do not add to the words of the OT scriptures."

You don't realize you add your words to the OT scriptures each time you claim that the Jewish Sabbath is God's law for Christians. Christianity did not exist when Proverbs was written.

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Jesus condemns this teaching quoting the OT. The God of the NT did not delete the God of the OT considering its the same God. John 8:58 As if in the NT we can edit God's Word and Testimony Exo31:18 as if there is anyone greater than He. God's Word is settled in heaven Psa119:89 where the Ten Commandments is in heaven Heb9:23-24 Heb 8:1-5 Rev 11:18-19 under His mercy seat Exo25:21 where justice and mercy will come together soon Ecc12:13-14 James 2:10-12 Exo20:6


Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

Ecc 3:14 I know that whatever God does,
It shall be forever.
Nothing can be added to it,
And nothing taken from it.
God does it, that men should fear before Him.

This idea we do not need to fear God in the NT and keep His commandments Rev 14:6-12 but can edit a jot or tittle against the will of God Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 , that some how God stopped being God in the NT is a sad deception.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made FOR mankind - Mark 2:27 for everyone who join themselves to the LORD, loves His name and serves Him Isa56:6 Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath day Mark2:28 someone else is lording the first day Dan7:25

Jan001 said:

Acts 15:5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up, and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to charge them to keep the law of Moses.”

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Acts 15: 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; (And Zacharias, and Simeon, and Anna, and the Wise men)

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which "neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?"

The deceiver would have us believe Peter is talking about God's Laws given to Moses. But for those who seek the truth of Jesus, we know this is not true.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees and Scribes, Not God or Moses, as the deceiver would have us believe) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, "and lay them on men's shoulders"; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Some of these Same Apostles were there when Jesus spoke these Words. Shall we not also "Believe" just as they believed?

Jan001 said:

Acts 15:24-29
Since we have heard that some persons from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols (Law of Moses) and from blood (Law of Moses) and from what is strangled (Law of Moses) and from unchastity. (Law of Moses) If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

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And you left off the rest of the message, here lets include it in search of God's Truth.

21 For "Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him", being read in the synagogues "every sabbath day".

Isn't this the Disciples doing exactly what Jesus instructed them to and the Multitudes to do?

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And the Gentiles already understood when Moses was being read.

Acts 13: 42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. 44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together "to hear the word of God".

All this Truth is written in your own Bible Jan001. You can read it for yourself. The only thing left to do is to choose to believe what is written, not not believe.

Studyman said:

You will notice that Zacharias knew of, and had Faith in the Lord's Christ, before HE was even born, and knew Him when HE was still in diapers.

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RE: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Zechariah spoke God's words, not his own.

Studyman said:

This is the difference between the Pharisees, "Who Said" they promoted the Law of Moses, and the Church of God, who "Walked in the Law of Moses".

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I agree that the Pharisees didn't keep the Law of Moses and that they added to it to suit their purposes. They were evildoers.


The Church of God walks in the law of Christ, not the Law of Moses.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Galatians 6:2
Bear one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

Studyman said:

So then, according to your definition of "Judaizer", mixed with the Truth of the Pharisees clearly shown by Christ and EVERY Inspired Word of God, "Judaizers" are men who "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."

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Christians who claim they know God but disobey Jesus Christ's new covenant law are reprobate Christians. If they die impenitent, they will not inherit eternal life.

1 John 2:4
Whoever says, “I have come to know him,” but does not obey his commandments, is a liar, and in such a person the truth does not exist;

Jan001 said:

The first covenant's Sabbath, circumcision, dietary, festival, and new moon laws were to be valid only until Jesus Christ mediated his new covenant by his sacrificial death on the cross.

Galatians 3:19-27
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made; and it was ordained by angels through an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one; but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not; for if a law had been given which could make alive, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the scripture consigned all things to sin, that what was promised to faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23Now before faith came, we were confined under the law, kept under restraint until faith should be revealed. 24 So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian; 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

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That is another popular religious philosophy, just as the philosophy that preaches the Pharisees were trying to earn Salvation by keeping the Law of Moses. A lot of people have adopted these doctrines. But they are simply not true, according to the Word's of the Jesus "of the Bible".

God Himself defined HIS New Covenant. According to Him, there were 2 things that changed,

#1. The manner in which His Righteous, Holy, and Good Laws were administered.

#2. The manner in which Sins were to be forgiven.

You can read that for yourself as it is in your own Bible.

But believing Him is a voluntary humility, it's something folks must choose to do "From the heart". This is why, in my understanding, Paul and Jesus teaches to "Deny oneself" and "Yield oneself", "Submit oneself", "Humble oneself", "Offer oneself" to God. To His Judgments, His Righteousness, His Truth, His Holiness, His Commandments, not the religious philosophies, traditions, high days, doctrines and commandments of this world's religions that profess to know God.

As Paul and Jesus teaches, "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified."

SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus rebukes this teaching quoting from the OT. The God of the NT did not delete the God of the OT considering its the same God. As if at anytime we can edit the Testimony of God Exo31:18 that sits under His mercy seat Exo25:21 in heaven Heb 9:23-24 Rev11:18-19


Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

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Why, then, don't you believe the following teaching from the Holy Spirit?

Acts 15:24-29
Since we have heard that some persons from us (Judaizers) have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

SabbathBlessings said:

Jesus said the Sabbath was made FOR mankind Mark2:27 which is everyone who wants to join themselves and serve the LORD Isa56:6 Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath day, not the first day. That's being lorded by another Dan7:25

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Context of Mark 2:27:

Jesus chose to pluck grain and eat it on the Sabbath. The Pharisees objected. Jesus said he, the Lord of the their Sabbath, determines the purpose of the Jewish Sabbath, not them.

Dan 7:25 is not relevant for this discussion. Jesus Christ, our Lord, determines what Christians must do concerning the worship of God, not the antichrist:

He shall speak words against the Most High,
shall wear out the holy ones of the Most High,
and shall attempt to change the sacred seasons and the law;
and they shall be given into his power
for a time, two times, and half a time.

You will not find one Scripture that says the "Jewish Sabbath" this is a man-made teaching not God's

These are the words that directly proceeded out of the mouth of God....

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isa 58:13 Thus saith the LORD
“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Isa 56:1
Thus says the Lord:
“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
for soon my salvation will come,
and my righteousness be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
and the son of man who holds it fast,
who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it,
and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

This idea that we serve such a weak Creator that God is confused and doesn't know the difference between man and Jew and who He made the Sabbath for and is confused on which day is the holy day of the LORD and man needs to correct God and Jesus who said to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, but He meant what man says instead, is sadly only deceiving themselves. Pro14:12

Dan 7:25 is relevant because it was not God who changed His Sabbath commandment, but the one we are warned about...that came true exactly as it was predicted.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

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Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
—Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

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Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

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But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed.

They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.
—The Faith of Millions

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If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.
—Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

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Jan001 said:

RE: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Zechariah spoke God's words, not his own.

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"And "hath raised" up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David"

Luke 2; 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had "seen" the Lord's Christ.

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

I know how important it is to justify a religious belief, we are taught this from our youth. But please don't demean Zacharias by implying that he was no different than the Pharisees, just reading Moses. And Simeon, who also walked in the Law of Moses, knew the Christ before HE did anything.

Surely you understand the significance of these Scriptures concerning why Zacharias and Simeon and Anna and the Wise men, all folks who "Yielded themselves" to the Law of God given through Moses, knew the Christ before HE was a man, but the Great theologians of that time who professed to know God, but refused to humble themselves, Submit themselves, Yield Themselves to the Law of God given through Moses, didn't know HIM when HE was healing Cripples in their own shrines of worship, in front of their own faces.

Jan001 said:

I agree that the Pharisees didn't keep the Law of Moses and that they added to it to suit their purposes. They were evildoers.

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They didn't "Promote the Law of God HE gave to Moses", this is the most important part of the truth I shared with you. They taught for doctrines "the Commandments of Men", Not Moses, given to him by God.

And who was this God? Was it not the Christ, the Holy One of Israel, the Word of God that was God and was with God, who became a mortal human and dwelled among men, until they murdered them for showing them the Truth.

The truth of Acts 15 is that the Disciples kept the New converts away from the Pharisees religion, because they believed what Jesus had said about their religion, and followed the instruction of their Lord and Savior, and directed the new converts to the Law of Moses, being read every Sabbath in the Synagogues. And like the members of the First Church of God under HIS Prophesied New Priesthood, All therefore whatsoever Moses bid you observe, that you hear being read, that observe and do;

That is how they counted correctly during the Feast of Unleavened bread, and were gathered together on Feast of Weeks, a Holy Feast of the Christ, and received the Holy Spirit that God gives to everyone who Humbles themselves servants to Obey Him.

Sadly, many are convinced that Jesus abolished the Law of Moses, when what HE did was fulfill the Prophesy of a New Priesthood to replace the temporary Levitical Priesthood, and the Law of animal sacrifices required for the forgiveness of sins, offering to His Father His own Blood, which the Blood of animals foreshadowed. This is the LAW that was ADDED 430 years after God said "that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

But religious tradition is a powerful influence, which is why Jesus warned so many times about it.

Studyman said:

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The deceiver would have us believe Peter is talking about God's Laws given to Moses. But for those who seek the truth of Jesus, we know this is not true.

Matt. 23: 1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees and Scribes, Not God or Moses, as the deceiver would have us believe) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, "and lay them on men's shoulders"; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Some of these Same Apostles were there when Jesus spoke these Words. Shall we not also "Believe" just as they believed?

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No, we should not "believe just as they believed." All these men were still under the first covenant. We Christians are not.

Studyman said:

And you left off the rest of the message, here lets include it in search of God's Truth.

21 For "Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him", being read in the synagogues "every sabbath day".

Isn't this the Disciples doing exactly what Jesus instructed them to and the Multitudes to do?

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Was Moses under the first covenant or Jesus Christ's new covenant? The first covenant.

Were the Jews in the synagogues on every sabbath day listening to the Books of Moses being read or was it the Gentiles? The Jews.

Did the Jews in the synagogues listen to the disciples preach about the Jewish messiah from the Books of the Law and the Prophets, or were the uncircumcised Gentile Christians? The Jews.

Only circumcised Gentiles (devout converts to Judaism) were allowed to enter any synagogue at any time. Jewish law prohibited Jews and converts to Judaism from worshiping, fellowshipping, or eating with uncircumcised Gentiles or circumcised Samaritans. John 4:7-9, Exodus 12:48

Studyman said:

1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And the Gentiles already understood when Moses was being read.

Acts 13: 42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

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Jesus was speaking to Jews, not Gentiles, in the Book of Matthew.

The only Gentiles in the synagogues on Saturdays were circumcised, devout converts to Judaism.

Acts 13:43
When the meeting of the synagogue broke up, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who spoke to them and urged them to continue in the grace of God.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Acts-13-42/

Studyman said:

44 and the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together "to hear the word of God".

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The disciples didn't preach to "almost the whole city together" in a synagogue. There wouldn't have been enough room for all of them in there.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Acts-13-44/

Studyman said:

All this Truth is written in your own Bible Jan001. You can read it for yourself. The only thing left to do is to choose to believe what is written, not not believe.

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This is written in all NT Bibles, and I do believe it:

Acts 15:24-29
Since we have heard that some persons from us (Judaizers) have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

Why don't you believe and follow the Holy Spirit's teaching about what is necessary for Gentile Christians to do regarding the first covenant Jewish laws?

Studyman said:

I know how important it is to justify a religious belief, we are taught this from our youth. But please don't demean Zacharias by implying that he was no different than the Pharisees, just reading Moses. And Simeon, who also walked in the Law of Moses, knew the Christ before HE did anything.
Surely you understand the significance of these Scriptures concerning why Zacharias and Simeon and Anna and the Wise men, all folks who "Yielded themselves" to the Law of God given through Moses, knew the Christ before HE was a man, but the Great theologians of that time who professed to know God, but refused to humble themselves, Submit themselves, Yield Themselves to the Law of God given through Moses, didn't know HIM when HE was healing Cripples in their own shrines of worship, in front of their own faces.

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All of these people were under the first covenant, not the new!
That is why they all walked in the Law of Moses.

The new covenant did not begin until Jesus Christ died on the cross. Hebrews 9:13-18

Studyman said:

Sadly, many are convinced that Jesus abolished the Law of Moses, when what HE did was fulfill the Prophesy of a New Priesthood to replace the temporary Levitical Priesthood, and the Law of animal sacrifices required for the forgiveness of sins, offering to His Father His own Blood, which the Blood of animals foreshadowed. This is the LAW that was ADDED 430 years after God said "that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

But religious tradition is a powerful influence, which is why Jesus warned so many times about it.

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The law of the first covenant is not the law of the new covenant!

From the Levite priesthood in the first covenant to the Melchizedek priesthood in the new covenant:

Hebrews 7:12
For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.


Jesus Christ didn't abolish the first-covenant Law of Moses; he fulfilled/ended it. He completed it.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

A fulfilled covenant is an obsolete one.

Hebrews 8:13a
In speaking of “a new covenant,” he has made the first one obsolete.


Jesus Christ's new and better covenant replaced the first one.

Hebrews 8:6
But Jesus has now obtained a more excellent ministry, and to that degree he is the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted through better promises.

SabbathBlessings said:

You will not find one Scripture that says the "Jewish Sabbath" this is a man-made teaching not God's

These are the words that directly proceeded out of the mouth of God....

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Isa 58:13 Thus saith the LORD
“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Isa 56:1
Thus says the Lord:
“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
for soon my salvation will come,
and my righteousness be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
and the son of man who holds it fast,
who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it,
and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

This idea that we serve such a weak Creator that God is confused and doesn't know the difference between man and Jew and who He made the Sabbath for and is confused on which day is the holy day of the LORD and man needs to correct God and Jesus who said to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, but He meant what man says instead, is sadly only deceiving themselves. Pro14:12

Dan 7:25 is relevant because it was not God who changed His Sabbath commandment, but the one we are warned about...that came true exactly as it was predicted.

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Your post is not relevant for new covenant Christians.

Jan001 said:

Your post is not relevant for new covenant Christians.

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Wow, the Word of God Jesus said man is to live by Mat4:4 not relevant. Suit yourself.

SabbathBlessings said:

Wow, the Word of God Jesus said man is to live by Mat4:4 not relevant. Suit yourself.

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Jesus Christ is God. The Holy Spirit is God.

This is what they teach about the Law of Moses that is relevant to new covenant Christians:

Acts 15:24-29
Since we have heard that some persons from us (Judaizers) have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

The Saturday Sabbath of the Jews is not included in Jesus Christ's (Holy Spirit's) new covenant laws for Gentile Christians.

Jan001 said:

Jesus Christ is God. The Holy Spirit is God.

This is what they teach about the Law of Moses that is relevant to new covenant Christians:

Acts 15:24-29
Since we have heard that some persons from us (Judaizers) have troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, 25 it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the sake of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from unchastity. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

The Saturday Sabbath of the Jews is not included in Jesus Christ's (Holy Spirit's) new covenant laws for Gentile Christians.

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Sure it is you just refuse to quote Acts 15:21 and the Words of our LORD Exo20:8-11 Isa58:13 Isa 56:2 Isa 56:6 Mark2:27-28 Mat24:20 Isa66:22-23 Mat5:17-30 Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 etc.

From your misunderstanding of these Scriptures Gentiles do not need to love God with all their heart, mind and soul because its not stated.

Jesus said to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God quoting OT instead of laying aside God's words as you instructed, my faith is in Him and how He tells us to live, but we have free will.