What if Trump simply refuses to leave the White House? Or if Congress refuses to meer because of perceived election fraud?

Always in His Presence said:

I think that would be very similar to Reagans legacy after delivering the country from the Cater regime's fiasco - 12 years of Republican leadsership.

We can only hope

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According to recent statistics, 67% of Americans—among them, 70% of independent voters and 70% of Hispanic voters—disapprove of the current administration. Given these figures, do you believe the Republican Party will win the White House in 2028? That is certainly an interesting assessment.

I personally think these kinds of threads are useless. He will leave office when his term ends. Some Democrats said similar things in 2020, and despite January 6, Joe Biden ultimately became president and moved into the White House. I don't think this time will be any different.

Always in His Presence said:

I never claimed he did - I said IF he did. reading fundamental to understanding

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But Trump doesn't. Thatis the whoe thing.
We have a plethora of examples where policies of the current administration severely worsen the health of Americans. Address those issues first before hurling meaningless accusations at the Trump critics based on unrealistic hypotheticals and IA generated images.

Perpetual Student said:

But Trump doesn't.

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First - just because you say so - doe not make it fact - you have not linked anything - therefore it is little more than your opinion - and our opinions differ.

Perpetual Student said:

Thatis the whoe thing.

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What is a whoe?

Perpetual Student said:

We have a plethora of examples where policies of the current administration severely worsen the health of Americans.

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Is that the topic of this thread?

Perpetual Student said:

Address those issues first before hurling meaningless accusations at the Trump critics based on unrealistic hypotheticals and IA generated images.

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Open a thread on this different subject and I will join you.

Always in His Presence said:

First - just because you say so - doe not make it fact - you have not linked anything - therefore it is little more than your opinion - and our opinions differ.

What is a whoe?

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An embarrassing typo.
Nobody is immune for such a flaw.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

According to recent statistics, 67% of Americans—among them, 70% of independent voters and 70% of Hispanic voters—disapprove of the current administration. Given these figures, do you believe the Republican Party will win the White House in 2028? That is certainly an interesting assessment.

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Sure, they can win it, if the other side is even more unpopular. People don't like Trump, but people don't like the Democrats much right now either. The winners in the 2016, 2020, and 2024 weren't that popular--but they were less unpopular (at least in the swing states) than their opponents, so they won.

Of course, who knows if the current administration will even stay the current administration by then. There's probably at least a 1/4 chance that, given Trump's age, he either dies or suffers some kind of illness that requires him to exit the presidency.

iluvatar5150 said:

Being found civilly liable for something does not constitute “being convicted” of it.

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Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll - The Washington Post

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

I personally think these kinds of threads are useless. He will leave office when his term ends. Some Democrats said similar things in 2020, and despite January 6, Joe Biden ultimately became president and moved into the White House. I don't think this time will be any different.

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So you think there will be another Jan6-type event?

JSRG said:

Sure, they can win it, if the other side is even more unpopular. People don't like Trump, but people don't like the Democrats much right now either. The winners in the 2016, 2020, and 2024 weren't that popular--but they were less unpopular (at least in the swing states) than their opponents, so they won.

Of course, who knows if the current administration will even stay the current administration by then. There's probably at least a 1/4 chance that, given Trump's age, he either dies or suffers some kind of illness that requires him to exit the presidency.

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I hope that he lives through his last years in office and isn’t incapacitated by illness whilst doing his job.

NxNW said:

So you think there will be another Jan6-type event?

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Not me. I’d probably go. And I’m not a “joiner”.
It would be “messier”, this time.

Pommer said:

I hope that he lives through his last years in office and isn’t incapacitated by illness whilst doing his job.

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If he dies in office, then all of his acolytes can slap his face on everything.

Perpetual Student said:

He "could cure cancer". See that's the problem. You need a hypothetical to portray Trump as good, we have real life examples of very bad policies and evil behaviour.

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Bingo.

NxNW said:

So you think there will be another Jan6-type event?

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NO

JSRG said:

Sure, they can win it, if the other side is even more unpopular. People don't like Trump, but people don't like the Democrats much right now either. The winners in the 2016, 2020, and 2024 weren't that popular--but they were less unpopular (at least in the swing states) than their opponents, so they won.

Of course, who knows if the current administration will even stay the current administration by then. There's probably at least a 1/4 chance that, given Trump's age, he either dies or suffers some kind of illness that requires him to exit the presidency.

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Certainly, anyone can win. That's why, early last year, when some conservative GOP supporters were predicting that MAGA/GOP would dominate American politics for the next generation and that Democrats would become irrelevant, I advised them to exercise caution. This echoed sentiments from after the 2008 election, when Democrats claimed the GOP was no longer relevant in American politics. Over the past 25 years, we've seen that Americans generally don't want one party to control politics for more than a couple of years at a time. Since the 2000 election, voters have consistently switched their support back and forth between parties.

However, there are significant shifts occurring within the American electorate that will shape future elections more than party popularity.
Demographics: The Hispanic share of the US electorate is projected to rise from 7% in 2000 to 16% by 2028, while the White electorate will fall from 81% to 62%. Baby boomers, mostly conservative, made up 28% in 2000 and are expected to drop to 15% by 2028.

Although the GOP never won a majority of Hispanic votes, Trump achieved notable gains in 2016, 2020, and nearly 48% in 2024. However, these gains have since disappeared, with 70% of Hispanic voters now disapproving of GOP policies, largely due to impacts from current immigration policy. These voters are unlikely to support the GOP unless Democrats adopt similar positions.

Cuban-American voters, historically Republican, have also been affected by immigration policy, notably the revocation of over 500,000 TPS cases. This may influence how Cuban-Americans vote in Florida's midterms, potentially shifting the state toward Democrats for years to come.

Youth Voters – The GOP made a big fuss about some young white men voting in 2024, but this appears to be an isolated trend. For the past fifty years, younger generations consistently supported Democrats, and a single election won’t change that pattern. In fact, most youth voters who participated in the 2024 presidential election have already moved on. Unless the GOP changes its policies, these voters are unlikely to return.

Pope Leo – Pope Leo seems more determined than any previous pope to play an active role in American politics. Perhaps it’s because he’s American, and unlike other popes, he feels both entitled and obligated to get involved. Pope Leo is set to redefine what “pro-life” means. For decades, Catholics and Evangelicals defined pro-life as being anti-abortion; however, Pope Leo’s interpretation includes opposing capital punishment, caring for the poor, and treating immigrants with kindness and respect. This expanded definition will affect not only Catholics but also many Evangelicals.

Democrats have their share of problems, and some of their policies are further to the left than what most Americans support. However, the issue with the GOP is that many of its policies are tailored for white, middle-aged Americans—a demographic that is gradually shrinking. Unless the GOP changes its approach, it will continue to lose support.

NxNW said:

So you think there will be another Jan6-type event?

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That wouldn't happen until 2029 - I doubt that with his increasingly questionable health that Donald will last that long. This election season is focused on redistricting and voter suppression. I do expect a lot of unwarranted court challenges. I hope we will not see ballot confiscations.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Cuban-American voters, historically Republican, have also been affected by immigration policy, notably the revocation of over 500,000 TPS cases. This may influence how Cuban-Americans vote in Florida's midterms, potentially shifting the state toward Democrats for years to come.

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I'm curious to see how the Cuban-heritage vote changes over time as older generations die off and younger generations grow up here. I didn't realize the magnitude of their seething hatred for Castro and all communists until recently, when I read a book about Willy Falcon, a Cuban exile and one of the first big time cocaine smugglers in the US. He and his crew, Los Muchacos, got their start running drugs for the CIA as a means of funding the Contras and then the anti-Castro movement (including a number of assassination plots) directly. One of the things that stuck out to me was this guy who was very averse to using violence in his own business developed a close personal friendship with Pablo Escobar but considered even doing business with the Sandinistas to be a non-starter. At one point, they were using a ranch in Florida to train commandos to invade Cuba and even after they'd been in jail for a while, they were still readily handing over millions of dollars in cash to fund further anti-Castro schemes.

And these guys were basically hometown heros in Miami. When they were trying to buy off jurors during one of their big trials, one offerred to toss the case for free.

If anybody's interested:

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

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So then it will be different.

iluvatar5150 said:

I'm curious to see how the Cuban-heritage vote changes over time as older generations die off and younger generations grow up here. I didn't realize the magnitude of their seething hatred for Castro and all communists until recently, when I read a book about Willy Falcon, a Cuban exile and one of the first big time cocaine smugglers in the US. He and his crew, Los Muchacos, got their start running drugs for the CIA as a means of funding the Contras and then the anti-Castro movement (including a number of assassination plots) directly. One of the things that stuck out to me was this guy who was very averse to using violence in his own business developed a close personal friendship with Pablo Escobar but considered even doing business with the Sandinistas to be a non-starter. At one point, they were using a ranch in Florida to train commandos to invade Cuba and even after they'd been in jail for a while, they were still readily handing over millions of dollars in cash to fund further anti-Castro schemes.

And these guys were basically hometown heros in Miami. When they were trying to buy off jurors during one of their big trials, one offerred to toss the case for free.

If anybody's interested:

https://people.com/last-kilo-tj-english-essay-los-muchachos-exclusive-8752688

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Cuban-Americans have supported the GOP for reasons beyond their opposition to Castro. While GOP policies on Cuba were favored, immigration laws over the past 60 years made it easier for Cubans to enter and stay in the U.S. compared to other groups; most laws on unlawful entry or overstaying visas did not apply to Cubans. As a result, nearly 90% of Cuban-Americans entered the U.S. unlawfully but were protected by law and did not identify as "illegal" immigrants.

Despite the GOP's campaign rhetoric about undocumented immigrants, Cubans believe those statements do not refer to them. Even though most Cubans entered the U.S. illegally, they feel that "illegal entry" pertains only to other South Americans, not themselves.

However, this changed recently when the administration revoked over 500,000 TPS statuses. Most affected Cubans had U.S. citizen sponsors, meaning many voters—especially in Florida—are impacted. Now they are not as “special’ as they thought they were.

So we will see how they vote in the next election. And you are right, the younger generation of Cuban-Americans don’t associate themselves with Cuba or Castro, so their politics are different.

The problem with Democrats is that they think all minorities are the same and just want to offer lip service. Democrats believe that as long as the GOP is demonizing immigrants, immigrants will vote for them. This is why so many immigrants have moved toward the GOP in recent days. While Democrats may not demonize immigrant communities like the GOP does, they also don’t do anything for the immigrant community either.

Fantine said:

Conservatives, whose states are subsidized by prosperous blue states, sure get out of sorts when faced with losing their allowances.

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Do you really believe this to be true???? Oh my goodness. What conservative states are being subsidized by New York or California? Facts and numbers please!

Landon Caeli said:

§2383. Rebellion or insurrection​

"Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808

18 USC Ch. 115: TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES https://share.google/Uh3amLZj683RTnoRo

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Does this apply to sanctuary cities and states that refuse to uphold federal law? Does this apply to those anarchists who fight federal agents? Does this apply to elected officials who openly support and encourage anarchy in the streets against federal agents?