Apes and Humans. Evolutionism on Trial

Good thing the Bible tells us it was a real 7 day creation week in Gen 1-2 wires that directly into "legal code" in Ex 20:11
7 days not 7 billion days

Ex 20:8-11 six days you shall labor...for in six days the Lord made

Adam and Eve created directly by God sinless and perfect and in full open fellowship with God. Created out of dust according to Gen 2 not the child of an Ape."Our Father who is in heaven" Matt 6.

Sin enters the world in Gen 3 when Adam and Eve commit their first sin after having that discussion with Satan (Rev 12 says Satan was the "Serpent of old" in Eden)

Ape vs Human
Different number of chromasomes
Different Chromasome 2
huge difference in telomeres

==============







Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, while great apes (chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans) have 24 pairs.
Despite this difference in chromosome number, the genetic codes of humans and chimpanzees differ by about 1.2% to 4% in their base pairs. However, several notable differences in chromosome structure and behavior set them apart: [1, 2, 3, 4]

1. Chromosome 2 difference

• The Ape State: Apes possess two separate, smaller chromosomes.
• The Human State: Those two chromosomes appear end-to-end in the the large human Chromosome 2.

2. Chromosomal differences
While Human Chromosome 2 is the most famous difference, the ordering of DNA within other chromosomes varies significantly. [1, 2]

• Scientists have identified major pericentric inversions (where a segment of the chromosome breaks off, flips upside down, and reattaches) in human chromosomes 1, 4, 5, 9, 12, 15, 16, 17, and 18.
• The order of the genes are different without losing or adding genetic material, which influences how certain traits are packaged and inherited. [1, 2, 3, 4]

3. Telomere Length

• Apes characteristically have much longer telomeres (the repetitive sequences at the ends of chromosomes) of roughly 23 kilobases.
• Humans have unusually short telomeres compared to all other primates, typically measuring around 10 kilobases. [1]

4. Centromere Positions
The exact location of centromeres (the constricted region of a chromosome where sister chromatids attach) is different on several chromosomes. This structural difference alters the physical shape of the chromosomes when viewed under a microscope. [1, 2]

5. Gene Expression (How Genes Work)
Beyond the physical chromosomes, the most critical differences between apes and humans lie in gene regulation. Even when humans and apes share the exact same gene, the amount of protein produced and where in the body that gene is turned on can vary greatly. This is particularly true in brain development, which helps explain the differences in cognitive and intellectual capabilities.

Most of the similarities between human DNA and other forms of life are due to the basic elements shared by all living things. Celular formation, reproduction. Google says:

"Humans and all living creatures share similar DNA because they evolved from the same Last Universal Common Ancestor (LUCA) that lived billions of years ago. Because all life relies on similar basic functions—like turning food into energy and building cells—the fundamental genetic code has been conserved and passed down through generations."

Humans and bananas share about 40% to 50% of their genes, but this only accounts for the roughly 2% of human DNA that actually codes for proteins. Overall, when looking at our entire genetic code, we only share about 1% of our exact DNA sequence with bananas.

Humans share roughly 50% of our genes with moss and other plant life. This shared DNA represents ancient, fundamental biological building blocks required for basic cellular life—such as cell division, basic metabolism, and protein processing—that we inherited from our earliest common unicellular ancestors.

Humans share about one-third of their genes with basic, single-celled amoebas. Because both belong to the same overarching evolutionary group (the Amorphea clade), they use similar conserved genes to build basic cell structures.

Humans and birds share about 60% of their genes, with the genes we do share being roughly 75% identical in their sequences. Because all life on Earth is related, our core genetic instruction sets for basic cellular functions and body structures are largely the same.

Humans and domestic cattle (cows) share about 80% of their genes. This high percentage exists because both are mammals. We share many fundamental biological building blocks required for basic bodily functions, such as cellular metabolism, organ development, and having similar nervous systems.

Humans share about 98.8% of their DNA with chimpanzees, making them our closest living evolutionary relatives.
Even more interesting is the fact that approximately 8% of the human genome consists of viral DNA. These genetic fossils, primarily known as Human Endogenous Retroviruses (HERVs), are remnants of ancient viral pandemics that infected our primate ancestors millions of years ago. Some of this virus does not affect humans today, however they do and did affect our ancient ancestorial primate creatures. Hense this is evidence that God built humans from ancient humans in Gen 1:26:

Gen 1:
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

God took the "earth man" and "upgraded" him into the mankind that existed on earth for the last couple hundred thousand years. Finally God created Adam and Eve some 10s of thousands of years ago. The children of Adam and Eve then procreated with "earth man" making us who we are today.

we have no "common ancestor" with moss.

We are biological entities and so is Moss. But we did not come from moss.

BobRyan said:

we have no "common ancestor" with moss.

We are biological entities and so is Moss. But we did not come from moss.

Click to expand...

I am playing around with image generation with AI. Indulge me .

BobRyan said:

we have no "common ancestor" with moss.

We are biological entities and so is Moss. But we did not come from moss.

Click to expand...

You're misunderstanding what "common ancestor" means..
You have a common ancestor with your uncle.
But you did not come from your uncle.
You and moss have a common, eukaryotic ancestor, as DNA analysis indicates.
It's just that plants and animals diverged a very, very long time ago.

Don't forget the other human species they say evolved in the Neandathals and Denisovans and some say Homo floresiensis as well. Who knows. I don't know how the DNA and ancestory works. I know my daughter found a very small % of Neanderthal is our DNA.

I tend to take a different look at humans and evolution. Not from genetics as this just tells us the genetic makeup and lines but not how this came about. From memory the research found that we all trace back to a common (female) and male. So that sort of supports Adam and Eve.

But I think Anthropology rather than biology, genetics and archeology paints a different picture of how humans developed. If we go back to prehistoric times we don't find very sophisticated humans. They have basic art and abstract thinking and simple beliefs. Which some say goes back 10,000 to 50,000 years.

But more to the point it seems there is this gradual development from simple beliefs where primitive humans buried their dead with a possession. To become more sophisticated such as with stones and animals becoming spirits and the sky, sun, moon and stars as gods over the weather, crops, earthquakes ect.

Then it became more sophisticated again with the development of belief stories that explained the world and reality. But primitive humans could not think like that so it took time to develop such ideas.

I think humans may have come to a point where they became aware of God and it was at this point we have the stories like Adam and Eve and other cultural stories such as flood myths along the same lines. Like there was this point in thinking where we became spiritually awake to God. When Gods spirit came upon us and created humans who could have relationship with God.

But I am not sure about humans evolving from apes. Unless humans are more or less like apes though no exactly an animal. The major difference and seperation being that humans have God consciousness and free will. I don't think free will can be evolved. You either have it or you don't as its a transcedent aspect of the mind which is itself transcedent.