John Mash
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Since you can't Biblically prove anything you say (no verses, no dates, etc) but you only talk about the Talmud and your anti-jewish/semetic comments, it is so clear you want to drop out of the discussion by pointing the finger. I was glad that God gave me the opportunity to teach you you his word. Good-bye.I asked you an important question. I don't believe we are in a "Land" that "Keeps the Sabbaths of the Lord yet". If that is true, that leaves 2 relevant Sabbaths in our time, and certainly in theirs. You have provided verses and interpretations promoted by "Orthodox Jews", almost word for word as any search into their religious traditions can see.
And yet by your own words "why do the Orthodox Jews always observe Nisan 16 as day one of the Omer". And you went to their Rabbis to answer this question, and you are promoting the Scriptures "they use" and the interpretations "they use" to justify their religious tradition.
In the same way someone would ask, "Why do the Catholics observe and promote Good Friday?" And if you went to their teachers, they too would promote a few Scriptures and teach their interpretation of Scripture to justify their tradition.
Had you asked the question, "Why do the Karaite Jews start the Omer on the day after the first weekly Sabbath during Feast of Unleavened Bread?" Then you if went to their teachers, they would explain "with Scriptures" why they don't agree with the interpretations of Scripture promoted by the Orthodox Jews who promote the Oral Traditions and interpretations of Scriptures set forth in the Talmud.
There is no "2 days of Passover" in the Book of Moses. But there is in the Talmud that the Orthodox Jews promote.
To say the traditions of the Orthodox Jews are of no interest to you, is a direct contradiction of your own words.
Yes, 14 Nisan, Wednesday that year. He was placed in the grave before Sundown which signifies the end of Passover, and the Beginning of the High Sabbath, the First Day of Unleavened Bread. There is no "2 Days of Passover" in Scriptures, but there is in some Jewish Traditions. The teaching that the Omer count started when Messiah was still dead, on Nisan 16 doesn't align with the purpose of the Feast in the First place, in my understanding. I don't believe this is what the Holy scriptures teach.
An important truth to consider here. There were 2 Weekly Sabbaths and 1 High Sabbath before the Prophesied Resurrection of the Messiah, in the Nisan. You keep promoting the Talmud that teaches about the "First Sabbath", yet Nisan 16 was not the "First Sabbath" in Nisan. And the Christ Rose from the Dead on the Weekly Sabbath, 3 days and 3 nights from the time HE was placed in the Tomb on Passover. Why would the Omer Count, that was all about the Prophesied Messiah and His Influence on the First Church of God under HIS New Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek", start on the "morrow after a High Sabbath", when HE was still dead? And not start the "morrow after the Holy, Sanctified and Set Apart Weekly Sabbath, that we both know HE was raised on? It is the first Weekly Sabbath of the 7 day feast. It is the First Sabbath the Resurrected Christ lived in, It was after this Sabbath that Mary went to the Grave. She didn't take a taxi John. I'm sure it took her quite awhile to get there. Shall I not consider these things? Or should I just adopt the views and interpretations of one of many different Jewish Sects that exists in the world God placed me in.
This is the crux f our disagreement.
Absolutely, the Lord's Christ rose on the Weekly Sabbath, just before sundown. No argument here.
First of all, your blatant misrepresentation of my posts is getting old. You are either not reading my post, or you are purposely being deceitful. I never said any such thing. Go back and read my post, and show me if you can, where I said she arrived at the grave at sundown on the Weekly Sabbath. Please resist the urge to engage in this kind of discourse. I'm just an old cowboy, and a fighter at heart. I understand the urge more than most. But isn't the entire purpose of Passover, Feast of UB, and Feast of Weeks to reveal the New Man, which after God is created in Righteousness and true Holiness? Let's rule over these fleshy urges.
So far, you are just preaching down to me, like the Pharisees did to Jesus and Peter. Like the Catholic Priests do to the Protestants. Like the Protestants do to each other.
I have asked you some questions, and made the case against the religious traditions of the Talmud Promoters whose scriptural interpretations you have adopted.
I tried to bow out of the discussion, seeing the direction it was talking. You insisted that the discussion continue. You have adopted the Popular Jewish tradition, to start the Omer Count after the First Day of Unleavened Bread, and not the Weekly Sabbath that the Christ Rose on.
Your adopted traditions are certainly more popular than my understanding of Scriptures. I might be wrong, and perhaps you are right, that God wasn't able to preserve His Truth in the Holy Scriptures available to the whole world since 1611. That I must turn to the modern Pharisees of today, and their scriptural interpretations, religious traditions, judgments and high days, to know God.
Nevertheless, I will not adopt their traditions, and you seem determined to promote them.
So it seems that there is no point in continuing this discussion.
Thank you for sharing.
Here is another of many of your false accussations. Maybe the Talmud does teach "First Sabbath" in Matt 28:1. I have never read the Talmud. I have said the Peshitta in ancient Aramaic written by the apostles says "First of the Sabbaths". So does the Catholic Vulgata, So does the Greek, So does the Reina and the Valera which where translated and corrupted into the King James. I never once spoke about the Talmud but now I will research it and see if what you say is true. If it is I will add it to my list of ancient original texts.You keep promoting the Talmud that teaches about the "First Sabbath",
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