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The charismatic movement: the good, the bad and the ugly

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Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Growing up in an Evangelical Protestant environment in the USA in the 1970s, my first encounter with the charismatic movement was the television evangelists who yelled and sweated and promised healing if only their viewers would place the affected part of their body on the TV set and send the preacher twenty dollars. It was not a promising start.

Later on I learned about classic Pentecostal churches where the faithful would speak in tongues and be ‘slain in the Spirit’ – passing out when the preacher laid hands on them or just tapped them on the forehead. I also learned about the snake handlers in Appalachia who (in literal obedience to Mark 16:18) would go into a trance and pass live rattlesnakes around the congregation. Things were now in the ‘ugly’ category.

Later on I met some Anglicans and Catholics from the charismatic movement who evidenced authentic holiness, a genuine prayer life and Christ-like charity – so there was the good as well as the bad and the ugly.

The American Pentecostal movement got its start in 1906 when William J. Seymour – a one-eyed son of former slaves – started a church in a derelict stable on Azusa Street in Los Angeles. Services at the makeshift church on Azusa Street ran non-stop for years. There was no formal liturgy, preaching or choir. Instead there was spontaneous singing, prophecy, personal testimonies, prayer, speaking in tongues (glossolalia), interpretation, healing and falling under the power of the Spirit. People reported deep joy, heavenly singing and miracles.

Over the next fifty years the movement exploded as visitors to the Azusa Street church from around the world received the ‘gifts of the Holy Spirit’ and took them home and shared them. New denominations like the Church of God in Christ and the Assemblies of God were established. Bible schools and missionary training academies started up and by the 1950s travelling evangelists had caught the fire and were conducting huge campaigns with the ‘gifts of the Spirit’ – prophecy, healing, glossolalia and trances – on display.


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I was a new revert when I got involved with the Charismatic Movement in the Catholic Church
back in 1976.

Fr Ralph Diorio first began a healing ministry at the parish where he was assigned. The parish
church became so crowded every Wednesday night that eventually, the Bishop asked Fr Ralph to
find a new home.

Anyway, it was only about a year after Christ came into my life, that I left the Charismatic Movement
and my wife and I were more aligned with contemplative spirituality. Eventually, we became
Discalced Carmelites Secular, OCDS and haven't looked back ever since.

The Charismatic Movement is what first drew me to Christ, but it was Christ who drew me to
Himself first and most.
 
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Wait... there's a "good" point to a charismatic movement? lol

I actually did a deep dive recently into Mark 16 and found that verses 9-20 aren't in the original text. Which is interesting because those verses are the backbone to the Charismatic movement in general.
 
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I've been a charismatic Christian since I was six years old. My mother taught me to read prior to entering grade school. She provided me with a Bible and taught me to pray. That was sixty-three years ago. I've attended denominational and nondenominational churches over the course of the years. I truly believe in the gifts of the Spirit as described in Scripture. I've always considered myself a charismatic Christian because of the belief in the spiritual gifts in the life of one who has been baptized with water and the fire of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Wait... there's a "good" point to a charismatic movement? lol

I actually did a deep dive recently into Mark 16 and found that verses 9-20 aren't in the original text. Which is interesting because those verses are the backbone to the Charismatic movement in general.
I’ve never been Charismatic but I took a Life in the Spirit course a couple times. I didn’t like it.
 
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I’ve never been Charis attic but I took a Life in the Spirit course a couple times. I didn’t like it.
In my personal opinion, Charismatics take the Holy Spirit and Spiritual Gifts way too far. I've talked to people who have been seriously hurt and I've watched testimony's of people seriously hurt by this movement. Promising healing/deliverance and getting nothing but a request for cash or the victim being blamed for "not having enough faith". And thats not even getting into seeing people look like they're unhinged, rolling around on the floor and babbling. To me, it looks like a mockery of the Holy Spirit.
 
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In my personal opinion, Charismatics take the Holy Spirit and Spiritual Gifts way too far. I've talked to people who have been seriously hurt and I've watched testimony's of people seriously hurt by this movement. Promising healing/deliverance and getting nothing but a request for cash or the victim being blamed for "not having enough faith". And thats not even getting into seeing people look like they're unhinged, rolling around on the floor and babbling. To me, it looks like a mockery of the Holy Spirit.
Lol. I had people praying over me in tongues and it made me VERY uncomfortable. It felt like a very Protestant-ish thing.
 
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Lol. I had people praying over me in tongues and it made me VERY uncomfortable. It felt like a very Protestant-ish thing.
Actually, it IS a protestant thing. Charismatic movement is a HUGE movement in protestantism. I'm actually surprised it got picked up by Catholics.
 
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Actually, it IS a protestant thing. Charismatic movement is a HUGE movement in protestantism. I'm actually surprised it got picked up by Catholics.
I‘m surprised too. And I am so glad they don’t speak in tongues at Mass. A friend of mine did (does?) it. She’s one of the people who prayed over me during Life in the Spirit. I’ve since told her I don’t like that. And she‘s told me that she doesn’t even know what she’s saying when she does it.
 
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I used to take my dad to his barber due to his declining health. My dad's barber was a charismatic Catholic Christian. I had many interesting conversations with my dad's barber, especially about the spiritual gifts and the working of the Holy Spirit.
 
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I've been to a charismatic Catholic mass a couple of times. Nothing happened with me (not spiritual enough?:scratch: ... just kidding ... er, maybe). I'd think about going more often but the particular church is a long way from where I live, plus I would have to drive in peak hour traffic on a Friday night.

I think the issue with the charismatic movment is that once someone starts deep diving in spiritual matters, there is always a risk of demonic counterfeits. There was a revival in Wales in 1912. Numerous counterfeit phenomenae provoked Jesse Penn-Lewis to write a book "War on the Saints" which gave some clues as to how to discern the good spirits from the bad.


I asked my Presbyterian pastor once "How do you know up front if a particular spiritual experiences ... sensation ... insight etc. is from God or not?"

He hesitated for a moment and replied "You don't (know)".

When I related some of my experiences to another (Anglican) pastor he said to me "It's deep, isn't it!", without going into any more detail.

Another Presbyterian pastor who had a ministry with street kids said to me "There's a very strange psychic world out there".

The demonic realm can be very tricky, which means pentecostal churches need to be on their guard.
 
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I've been to a charismatic Catholic mass a couple of times. Nothing happened with me (not spiritual enough?:scratch: ... just kidding ... er, maybe). I'd think about going more often but the particular church is a long way from where I live, plus I would have to drive in peak hour traffic on a Friday night.

I think the issue with the charismatic movment is that once someone starts deep diving in spiritual matters, there is always a risk of demonic counterfeits. There was a revival in Wales in 1912. Numerous counterfeit phenomenae provoked Jesse Penn-Lewis to write a book "War on the Saints" which gave some clues as to how to discern the good spirits from the bad.


I asked my Presbyterian pastor once "How do you know up front if a particular spiritual experiences ... sensation ... insight etc. is from God or not?"

He hesitated for a moment and replied "You don't (know)".

When I related some of my experiences to another (Anglican) pastor he said to me "It's deep, isn't it!", without going into any more detail.

Another Presbyterian pastor who had a ministry with street kids said to me "There's a very strange psychic world out there".

The demonic realm can be very tricky, which means pentecostal churches need to be on their guard.
You know by discernment but I 100% agree with you. There are tons of instances I can give of demonic mimicry and I 100% believe that the vast majority of this, IS demonic mimicry. People dont understand that demons have power too. So just because you feel power, doesnt automatically mean its from God.

I look at it like this:
Gift of prophesy---> false prophets
Gift of speaking in tongues ---> I literally know of an instance of someone standing up to speak in tongues, but was cursing God instead.
Elijah called down fire from heaven ---> the false prophet in the trib can do the same thing.
And lets not forget that during the Exodus, the majority of the 10 plagues of Egypt could be mimicked too.

So I wouldnt even argue if people claim to be filled with something that feels powerful, but that automatically doesnt mean its God.

But to answer your question because Spiritual Warefare is my ministry, you CAN know which is which, God or not but it takes a lot of growth in understanding scripture, and God in general before you can adequately know the difference. Because its not about "feeling" its about understanding circumstances. Is it backed up by scripture? Is it something that God would promote or do? Then its from God. And rolling on the floor, making you look like you've lost your mind, isnt from God. That just makes you look nuts and will in no way get anyone actually saved.
 
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