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The new testament is defined by the fact that apostles are testifying of Jesus Christ. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is the part of the bible where Jesus is carrying out everything written of him concerning what the prophets wrote (the 1st coming). There are many things written in the old testament that has not yet been fulfilled which will be done during the 2nd coming. Matthew is an apostle he is not a prophet therefore his writings are in fact new testament because he testified of the life Jesus lived and how he died. No one was reading the book of Matthew when Jesus here on this Earth everyone taught and learned from Genesis to Malachi. The bible is divided by the prophets and the apostles, it's all the simple.
Besides, the question Dave said we need to ask was, "Had Jesus died yet when this was written?” None of the New Testmaent had been written before Jesus had not only been crucified, but had risen from the dead, and returned to heaven.
 
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13 epistles, yes, all of them including his name as the author. We are not told, either in Hebrews itself, or anywhere else in Scripture, who the author of Hebrews was, which is why there are differences among godly people about who wrote Hebrews.
I'm going to ask you the same question that Jesus asked a lawyer...How readest thou?? (Luke 10:26).

The author of Hebrews is Paul.

Hebrews 13: 22 - 25
22 And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.

23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.

24 Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

25 Grace be with you all. Amen
.

Now everyone knows about Paul's infirmity. Which meant he had vision issues and as a result he had scribe. The letters Paul he literally tells you that he wrote them with his own hands. Let's see some more examples.

Philemon 1, 19
1 Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,

19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides
.

Plain and simple. Now let's see an example of an epistle he did not write with own hands but he still is the aurthor.

Romans 16: 20 - 22
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

21 Timotheus my workfellow, and Lucius, and Jason, and Sosipater, my kinsmen, salute you.

22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord
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Tertius is actually the one who wrote the book of Romans. So, the books Paul wrote he said he wrote them with his own hands and if he didn't the scribe wrote what he was asked to write. Go back and read how all the Epistles start, they are all from Paul. Paul said he wrote Hebrews and therefore it was written with his own hands. Hope that helps have a good day.
 
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Besides, the question Dave said we need to ask was, "Had Jesus died yet when this was written?” None of the New Testmaent had been written before Jesus had not only been crucified, but had risen from the dead, and returned to heaven.
Everything written in the new testament was written after Jesus died. It's the same thing people do with a Eulogy. They testify of the persons life after they are dead. Peter himself told you they were eyewitnesses of Jesus Christ. So everytime they mentioned scriptures they were directing people to the old testament because that's all they had.
 
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Everything written in the new testament was written after Jesus died. It's the same thing people do with a Eulogy. They testify of the persons life after they are dead. Peter himself told you they were eyewitnesses of Jesus Christ. So everytime they mentioned scriptures they were directing people to the old testament because that's all they had.
Yes, I agree. My words " None of the New Testament had been written before Jesus had not only been crucified, but had risen from the dead, and returned to heaven." mean the same as your, "Everything written in the new testament was written after Jesus died."
 
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I'm going to ask you the same question that Jesus asked a lawyer...How readest thou?? (Luke 10:26).

The author of Hebrews is Paul.

Hebrews 13: 22 - 25
22 And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.

23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.

24 Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

25 Grace be with you all. Amen
.

Now everyone knows about Paul's infirmity. Which meant he had vision issues and as a result he had scribe. The letters Paul he literally tells you that he wrote them with his own hands. Let's see some more examples.

Philemon 1, 19
1 Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,

19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides
.

Plain and simple. Now let's see an example of an epistle he did not write with own hands but he still is the aurthor.

Romans 16: 20 - 22
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

21 Timotheus my workfellow, and Lucius, and Jason, and Sosipater, my kinsmen, salute you.

22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord
.

Tertius is actually the one who wrote the book of Romans. So, the books Paul wrote he said he wrote them with his own hands and if he didn't the scribe wrote what he was asked to write. Go back and read how all the Epistles start, they are all from Paul. Paul said he wrote Hebrews and therefore it was written with his own hands. Hope that helps have a good day.
I still say that we don't know because we are not told who wrote Hebrews. You mention Paul's infirmity. He wasn't the only Christian to have an infirmity. You say, "Paul said he wrote Hebrews and therefore it was written with his own hands." Sorry, where does Paul say that he wrote Hebrews? You also tell me, "Go back and read how all the Epistles start, they are all from Paul." That is true, but the start of Hebrews doesn't mention that Paul was the author. Hebrews starts:

(Heb 1:1) God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
(Heb 1:2) has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
(Heb 1:3) who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
(Heb 1:4) having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
(Heb 1:5) For to which of the angels did He ever say: "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again: "I WILL BE TO HIM A FATHER, AND HE SHALL BE TO ME A SON"?
(Heb 1:6) But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."
(Heb 1:7) And of the angels He says: "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS SPIRITS AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."
(Heb 1:8) But to the Son He says: "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IS THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.

No mention of the author.

I stress that I am not saying that Paul didn't write Hebrews, but that we are not told who wrote Hebrews. The important thing is that, like the rest of Scripture, the ultimate Author of Hebrews is God Himself.
 
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I stress that I am not saying that Paul didn't write Hebrews, but that we are not told who wrote Hebrews. The important thing is that, like the rest of Scripture, the ultimate Author of Hebrews is God Himself.
Literally showed you the scripture where Paul stated he wrote this epistle. If that doesn't convinced you then nothing else I can add. I only teach what's the bible, my opinion is forbidden and therefore let us leave it at that.
Yes, I agree. My words " None of the New Testament had been written before Jesus had not only been crucified, but had risen from the dead, and returned to heaven." mean the same as your, "Everything written in the new testament was written after Jesus died."
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Literally showed you the scripture where Paul stated he wrote this epistle. If that doesn't convinced you then nothing else I can add. I only teach what's the bible, my opinion is forbidden and therefore let us leave it at that.
Well, here are the verses you quoted in the post to which I was replying:

Hebrews 13: 22 - 25
22 And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.

23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.

24 Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

25 Grace be with you all. Amen.

Philemon 1, 19
1 Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,

19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.

Romans 16: 20 - 22
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

21 Timotheus my workfellow, and Lucius, and Jason, and Sosipater, my kinsmen, salute you.

22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord


Perhaps you could help me, because I have just read those verses through again, and I cannot see one that includes Paul stating that he wrote Hebrews.

I'm glad we agree on that. Thanks.
 
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Perhaps you could help me, because I have just read those verses through again, and I cannot see one that includes Paul stating that he wrote Hebrews.
Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles. In verse 24 he stated they of Italy salute you. Italy is where the Gentiles reside and he is telling the believers of the Hebrews that the church at Italy salutes them (because we know there were many non believing Hebrews). The other Hebrews did not teach the Gentiles. Many of Hebrews actually believed salvation was for Jews only and many of them did not believe on Christ. Yet they had some knowledge. In pretty much all of Paul's epistles he says who he is but he didn't need to do that with Hebrews because he was a Hebrew, who persecuted the church. They knew who he was. He talks about his brother Timothy and we know Paul wrote an epistle to him as well.
 
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The new testament is defined by the fact that apostles are testifying of Jesus Christ. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is the part of the bible where Jesus is carrying out everything written of him concerning what the prophets wrote (the 1st coming). There are many things written in the old testament that has not yet been fulfilled which will be done during the 2nd coming. Matthew is an apostle he is not a prophet therefore his writings are in fact new testament because he testified of the life Jesus lived and how he died. No one was reading the book of Matthew when Jesus here on this Earth everyone taught and learned from Genesis to Malachi. The bible is divided by the prophets and the apostles, it's all the simple.
And Heb 9:18 says therefore. NOT even. the FIRST. COVENANT. was dedicated. WITHOUT BLOOD. , just means the blood '

of sheep and NOT. THE BLOOD OF CHRISYa. as Israel. has been. seaside in ACTS 28. , period !!

And you say we are under the NEW COVENANT , how can. anyone be saved today by a COVENANT not under

FORCE TODAY ??

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Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles. In verse 24 he stated they of Italy salute you. Italy is where the Gentiles reside and he is telling the believers of the Hebrews that the church at Italy salutes them (because we know there were many non believing Hebrews). The other Hebrews did not teach the Gentiles. Many of Hebrews actually believed salvation was for Jews only and many of them did not believe on Christ. Yet they had some knowledge. In pretty much all of Paul's epistles he says who he is but he didn't need to do that with Hebrews because he was a Hebrew, who persecuted the church. They knew who he was. He talks about his brother Timothy and we know Paul wrote an epistle to him as well.
Was Paul the only one who visited Italy? Yes, of course there were Gentiles in Italy, and Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles, but Paul wasn't a lone Christian there. I agree with what you say about Hebrew readers having some knowledge. As for the writer of Hebrews calling Timothy his brother, all Christians referred to other Christians as brothers and sisters. For example:

(1Pe 5:12) By Silvanus, our faithful brother as I consider him, I have written to you briefly, exhorting and testifying that this is the true grace of God in which you stand.

(Rev 1:9) I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So the fact the the writer of Hebrews refers to Timothy as his brother does not prove it was Paul. It may have been, but we are not told.
 
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Was Paul the only one who visited Italy? Yes, of course there were Gentiles in Italy, and Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles, but Paul wasn't a lone Christian there. I agree with what you say about Hebrew readers having some knowledge. As for the writer of Hebrews calling Timothy his brother, all Christians referred to other Christians as brothers and sisters. For example:

(1Pe 5:12) By Silvanus, our faithful brother as I consider him, I have written to you briefly, exhorting and testifying that this is the true grace of God in which you stand.

(Rev 1:9) I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So the fact the the writer of Hebrews refers to Timothy as his brother does not prove it was Paul. It may have been, but we are not told.
I see your point. I can only by what is in the bible. There is nothing there saying Paul wrote it. Even I am now wondering why Paul is considered the aurthor so I will look further into it. Thanks for the information. Peace.
 
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And Heb 9:18 says therefore. NOT even. the FIRST. COVENANT. was dedicated. WITHOUT BLOOD. , just means the blood '

of sheep and NOT. THE BLOOD OF CHRISYa. as Israel. has been. ASIDESIDE in ACTS 28. , period !!

And you say we are under the NEW COVENANT , how can. anyone be saved today by a COVENANT not under

FORCE TODAY ??

dan p
You know what, why don't you educate me. What covenant is not in force today?
 
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I'm going to ask you the same question that Jesus asked a lawyer...How readest thou?? (Luke 10:26).

The author of Hebrews is Paul.

Hebrews 13: 22 - 25
22 And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.

23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.

24 Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

25 Grace be with you all. Amen
.

Now everyone knows about Paul's infirmity. Which meant he had vision issues and as a result he had scribe. The letters Paul he literally tells you that he wrote them with his own hands. Let's see some more examples.

Philemon 1, 19
1 Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,

19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides
.

Plain and simple. Now let's see an example of an epistle he did not write with own hands but he still is the aurthor.

Romans 16: 20 - 22
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

21 Timotheus my workfellow, and Lucius, and Jason, and Sosipater, my kinsmen, salute you.

22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord
.

Tertius is actually the one who wrote the book of Romans. So, the books Paul wrote he said he wrote them with his own hands and if he didn't the scribe wrote what he was asked to write. Go back and read how all the Epistles start, they are all from Paul. Paul said he wrote Hebrews and therefore it was written with his own hands. Hope that helps have a good day.
AND the closing words of. this letter are common to all of Paul's. letters

#2. The mention. of TIMOTHY. IN. HEB. 13:23

# 3. And Peter said that Paul wrote a letter to his people 2. PETER. 3:3:15-16

# 4. Paul. had a ministry. to the children. of Israel Acts 9:15

# 5 Paul IS THE ONLY. ONE to to ask. for prayer for himself. (. Heb. 13:18. , prayer us. !!

# 6. Paul. is the only one writer in. the NEW TESTAMENT WHO wrote about the passing of the LAW OF MOSES.

the OLD COVENANT. in. Hebrews 8:13. in. line. with what he wrote in. 2 Cor 3:11. , Eph. 2:15. , Col 2:14

Theere is more and to much to write !!

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AND the closing words of. this letter are common to all of Paul's. letters

#2. The mention. of TIMOTHY. IN. HEB. 13:23

# 3. And Peter said that Paul wrote a letter to his people 2. PETER. 3:3:15-16

# 4. Paul. had a ministry. to the children. of Israel Acts 9:15

# 5 Paul IS THE ONLY. ONE to to ask. for prayer for himself. (. Heb. 13:18. , prayer us. !!

# 6. Paul. is the only one writer in. the NEW TESTAMENT WHO wrote about the passing of the LAW OF MOSES.

the OLD COVENANT. in. Hebrews 8:13. in. line. with what he wrote in. 2 Cor 3:11. , Eph. 2:15. , Col 2:14

Theere is more and to munch to write !!

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Paul is the only apostle I am aware of that mentions Timothy a lot because that was his spiritual son.

Paul never taught anyone that Moses law is done away with. That is a false statement, people use Paul's writing out of context and it seems you are one who does that as well. Paul taught people the law and he walked in it. Since people never specify which law he is speaking of everyone who reads his epistles with a carnal mind instantly assume he is speaking of the 10 commandments because they don't want to do it. Especially the Sabbath day.
Was Paul the only one who visited Italy? Yes, of course there were Gentiles in Italy, and Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles, but Paul wasn't a lone Christian there. I agree with what you say about Hebrew readers having some knowledge. As for the writer of Hebrews calling Timothy his brother, all Christians referred to other Christians as brothers and sisters. For example:

(1Pe 5:12) By Silvanus, our faithful brother as I consider him, I have written to you briefly, exhorting and testifying that this is the true grace of God in which you stand.

(Rev 1:9) I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So the fact the the writer of Hebrews refers to Timothy as his brother does not prove it was Paul. It may have been, but we are not told.

Now after thinking about this a few days, it's not even a salvation issue. The book of Hebrews is in the bible therefore it is the word of God. It could have been written by Paul, his scribe or someone else. The writing style seems like it belong to Paul but no point in stressing about if he did or did not write it. The book of Hebrews is in line with the other books of the bible.

As it is written we know in part and we prophesy in part, I may sound like a broken record but I can't add to God's word or take anything from it and since I can't read where Paul said he wrote it then I will leave it alone.
 
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Paul is the only apostle I am aware of that mentions Timothy a lot because that was his spiritual son.

Paul never taught anyone that Moses law is done away with. That is a false statement, people use Paul's writing out of context and it seems you are one who does that as well. Paul taught people the law and he walked in it. Since people never specify which law he is speaking of everyone who reads his epistles with a carnal mind instantly assume he is speaking of the 10 commandments because they don't want to do it. Especially the Sabbath day.


Now after thinking about this a few days, it's not even a salvation issue. The book of Hebrews is in the bible therefore it is the word of God. It could have been written by Paul, his scribe or someone else. The writing style seems like it belong to Paul but no point in stressing about if he did or did not write it. The book of Hebrews is in line with the other books of the bible.

As it is written we know in part and we prophesy in part, I may sound like a broken record but I can't add to God's word or take anything from it and since I can't read where Paul said he wrote it then I will leave it alone.
And Paul does say. that THEY were set. aside in Eph 2:15 and in COL 3:17 and the best one. is in Acts 28:27. and in verse 28

28 Paul says he. will make lt known to you that the salvation of God was SENT TO the GENTILES.

and they will HEAR !!

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Any true OT believer was predestined to be conformed to Christlikeness (Romans 8:28-29). The true Church existed, but in Christ alone, and for believers, in promise alone, since no one was in Christ. These believers from Acts 7:38, are they all true believes? The difference between physical Israel and spiritual Israel is God separating the wheat from the chafe. Are all Israel Israel? It has nothing to do with Jews and Gentiles being equal. If a Gentile believed, like in Nineveh, they were children of the promise.

Galatians 3: 22-29 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
And if I see it right you are quoting Rom 6:3 and reads , that as many as were BAP[TIZE into Christ were BAPTIZED

into. His death , and need how we were BAPTIZE INTO his Death. ??

Then in Rom. 6:4 says Threrefore we were Buried. together with Him though. this BAPTISM into the DEATH. and how

did that happen. ?? Just one thing , check. the Greek text and see in. verse 4 what the. Greek word for BAPTISM. means ??

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And if I see it right you are quoting Rom 6:3 and reads , that as many as were BAP[TIZE into into Christ were BAPTIZED

into. His death , and need how we were BAPTIZE INTO his Death. ??

Then in Rom. 6:4 says Threrefore we were Buried. together with Him though. this BAPTISM into the DEATH. and how

did that happen. ?? Just one thing , check. the Greek text and see in. verse 4 what te Greek word for BAPTISM. means ??

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Hey Dan

The Scripture that I was referencing is in the quote that you responded to.

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Hey Dan

The Scripture that I was referencing is in the quote that you responded to.

Dave
And I could not answer as my daughter had to. go to the. HOSPITAL. and in. Rom 6:4 it is the GBREEK word

BAPTISMA A. NOUN. and NOT BAP[TIZING. and BAP[TISMA is used 22 times beginning in. MATT. 3:7 --Eph. 4:5

and ending in 1. Peter 3:21 !!

And there one more in 1 Cor 15 : 29 c called BAP[TISM. FOR THE DEAD. ??

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