Imputed Righteousness. The True & The False.

Jan001 · May 25, 2026

A New Dawn said:
OTHER early church leaders, like Augustine, embraced the same things that have become part of the reformation. Those church leaders you are talking about rejected the same beliefs we, who are in churches descended from the reformation, now embrace, thanks to church fathers, like Augustine who was able to read and understand what Christ and the apostles taught.

St. Augustine taught that baptism is not merely a symbol but the essential sacrament of regeneration that washes away all sin, including original sin, and initiates the believer into the life of Christ. He emphasized that baptism is necessary for salvation based on John 3:5, arguing that without being "born of water and the Spirit," one cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

Key aspects of his teaching include:

Baptismal Regeneration: Augustine held that baptism effects a spiritual rebirth where the recipient is conformed to Christ’s death and resurrection, receiving the remission of sins and new life in the Holy Spirit.
Infant Baptism: He strongly defended the practice of baptizing infants, arguing that while they have no personal sins, they inherit original sin from Adam and require the "laver of regeneration" for healing and salvation.
Objective Validity: In his debates with the Donatists, Augustine taught that the validity of baptism depends on Christ, not the moral character of the minister; thus, baptism performed by wicked or heretical ministers remains valid and cannot be repeated.
Once for All: He maintained that baptism is a permanent, indelible sacrament; even if a baptized person falls into sin or leaves the Church, they are not to be rebaptized upon their return, as the sacrament itself never departs.
Faith of Others: For infants who cannot profess faith, Augustine introduced the concept of fides aliena (the faith of others), where the parents and the Church profess belief and repentance on the child's behalf, attributing this faith to the infant for the sake of the sacrament. (From Brave AI)

What other early church leaders?

Aussie52 · May 25, 2026

Jan001 said:
St. Augustine taught that baptism is not merely a symbol but the essential sacrament of regeneration that washes away all sin, including original sin, and initiates the believer into the life of Christ. He emphasized that baptism is necessary for salvation based on John 3:5, arguing that without being "born of water and the Spirit," one cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

Key aspects of his teaching include:

Baptismal Regeneration: Augustine held that baptism effects a spiritual rebirth where the recipient is conformed to Christ’s death and resurrection, receiving the remission of sins and new life in the Holy Spirit.

Infant Baptism: He strongly defended the practice of baptizing infants, arguing that while they have no personal sins, they inherit original sin from Adam and require the "laver of regeneration" for healing and salvation.

Objective Validity: In his debates with the Donatists, Augustine taught that the validity of baptism depends on Christ, not the moral character of the minister; thus, baptism performed by wicked or heretical ministers remains valid and cannot be repeated.

Once for All: He maintained that baptism is a permanent, indelible sacrament; even if a baptized person falls into sin or leaves the Church, they are not to be rebaptized upon their return, as the sacrament itself never departs.

Faith of Others: For infants who cannot profess faith, Augustine introduced the concept of fides aliena (the faith of others), where the parents and the Church profess belief and repentance on the child's behalf, attributing this faith to the infant for the sake of the sacrament. (From Brave AI)

What other early church leaders?

Jan001, I understand your Catholic beliefs and your reason on defending them. I have agreed with some of the things you have posted viz that obedience to Christ is necessary for our final salvation.
But in regard to baptism, if you are to go by what the Bible teaches and not your Church Tradition, baptism does not confer regeneration/salvation on anyone. The Bible clearly teaches that baptism is an outward act that symbolizes what has taken place in a person's life when they were converted and received new life in Christ. It is by grace through faith that we are saved, not by baptism.
Baptism is a public witness to one's faith in Christ. Going down into the water speaks of a death to the old life and rising out of the water speaks to our new life in Christ.
The way I see it is, do you follow the Bible on this issue or your Church teaching? Both cannot be true.

Jan001 · May 26, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
Jan001, I understand your Catholic beliefs and your reason on defending them. I have agreed with some of the things you have posted viz that obedience to Christ is necessary for our final salvation.
But in regard to baptism, if you are to go by what the Bible teaches and not your Church Tradition, baptism does not confer regeneration/salvation on anyone. The Bible clearly teaches that baptism is an outward act that symbolizes what has taken place in a person's life when they were converted and received new life in Christ. It is by grace through faith that we are saved, not by baptism.
Baptism is a public witness to one's faith in Christ. Going down into the water speaks of a death to the old life and rising out of the water speaks to our new life in Christ.
The way I see it is, do you follow the Bible on this issue or your Church teaching? Both cannot be true.

When I became an adult, I chose the Catholic faith because of my personal study of the Bible.

You said: The Bible clearly teaches that baptism is an outward act that symbolizes what has taken place in a person's life when they were converted and received new life in Christ. It is by grace through faith that we are saved, not by baptism." Baptism is a public witness to one's faith in Christ. Going down into the water speaks of a death to the old life and rising out of the water speaks to our new life in Christ.

Please show me the scriptures that state these things. Thank you.

I try to locate every scripture in the Bible pertaining to a subject before I determine what Christ taught. The apostles/disciples first taught the gospel in person. The people they were writing to already had had the gospel preached to them. Their letters to individuals and churches reiterated parts of what they had already heard in person. Many idioms were used pertaining to the baptism that Jesus commanded because the people already knew that his baptism literally washes away sins.

1. Repent and believe.

2. Be baptized, and God's grace will save you because Jesus Christ specifically said,

"The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:15-16)

Belief and baptism are both required to be saved.

Belief alone will not wash away his sins. Baptism alone will not wash his sins away.

Aussie52 · May 26, 2026

Jan001. Thanks for your reply. I see from your post that you appear to be 'proof texting' to prove your point. I have an aversion to proof texting; the Jehovah Witnesses do it all the time. You can prove anything from the Bible, by proof texting.
As this appears to be your method, I won't continue discussing what I believe the Bible teaches on baptism.
Be Blessed.

Jan001 · May 26, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
Jan001. Thanks for your reply. I see from your post that you appear to be 'proof texting' to prove your point. I have an aversion to proof texting; the Jehovah Witnesses do it all the time. You can prove anything from the Bible, by proof texting.
As this appears to be your method, I won't continue discussing what I believe the Bible teaches on baptism.
Be Blessed.

You said:

1. The Bible clearly teaches that baptism is an outward act that symbolizes what has taken place in a person's life when they were converted and received new life in Christ.

2. It is by grace through faith that we are saved, not by baptism."

3. Baptism is a public witness to one's faith in Christ. Going down into the water speaks of a death to the old life and rising out of the water speaks to our new life in Christ.

I have an aversion to excuses.

I engaged in a discussion about baptism by sharing the scriptures that show why I believe the way I do about it.

You informed me that I am mistaken. Since you did not share the scriptures that validated your judgment of my beliefs, it seems to me that you merely stated your opinion.

Be blessed.

Aussie52 · May 26, 2026

Jan001 said:
You said:

1. The Bible clearly teaches that baptism is an outward act that symbolizes what has taken place in a person's life when they were converted and received new life in Christ.

2. It is by grace through faith that we are saved, not by baptism."

3. Baptism is a public witness to one's faith in Christ. Going down into the water speaks of a death to the old life and rising out of the water speaks to our new life in Christ.

I have an aversion to excuses for not answering my questions.

Be blessed.

Excuse me, but I am under no obligation to answer your questions!
You try to prove your point by proof texting and not by looking at the big picture, like what is the essence of the words 'grace' and 'faith' and your desire to add to it, as a requirement for salvation.
Paul addressed this issue in the Book of Galatians where false teachers were adding circumcision to grace and faith as a requirement for salvation.
You are doing the same but instead of circumcision, it is baptism.
What they and you are advocating is 'works-righteousness', the idea of gaining God's favor by doing something, in your case, baptism.
We are saved by grace through faith alone, plus nothing!

Jan001 · May 26, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
Excuse me, but I am under no obligation to answer your questions!
You try to prove your point by proof texting and not by looking at the big picture, like what is the essence of the words 'grace' and 'faith' and your desire to add to it, as a requirement for salvation.
Paul addressed this issue in the Book of Galatians where false teachers were adding circumcision to grace and faith as a requirement for salvation.
You are doing the same but instead of circumcision, it is baptism.
What they and you are advocating is 'works-righteousness', the idea of gaining God's favor by doing something, in your case, baptism.
We are saved by grace through faith alone, plus nothing!

"Belief" is a "work."

Belief is a work in the law of Christ that we must do to be saved. It is something we have to choose to do.

"Baptism" is also a "work" in the law of Christ. We must choose to do it.

Jesus Christ clearly teaches that both belief and baptism are required to be saved under his new covenant.

Mark 16:16
The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned.

A person who doesn't believe won't consent to baptism. It takes both belief and baptism to be saved; therefore, he will be condemned.

The Galatians were beset by Judaizers who insisted that every Christian male be circumcised. Circumcision is a work of the Law of Moses. No work of the Law of Moses can save anyone.

Works of the law of Christ (belief and baptism) do save us.

A New Dawn · May 26, 2026

Jan001 said:
"Belief" is a "work."

Belief is a work in the law of Christ that we must do to be saved. It is something we have to choose to

Belief is not a work of man, it is a work of God. That’s the whole point of Ephesians 2. It is a work (gift) of God so no man may boast in his own salvation.

Jan001 · May 26, 2026

A New Dawn said:
Belief is not a work of man, it is a work of God. That’s the whole point of Ephesians 2. It is a work (gift) of God so no man may boast in his own salvation.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.

A New Dawn · May 26, 2026

Jan001 said:
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.

And nothing in that verse suggests that man has to come up with that belief himself.

Everyone who believes is everyone who has been elected and regenerated and gifted saving faith by God.

You can’t take verses in isolation from each other. ALL of the Bible taken together forms the basis of God’s relationship with us.

Jan001 · May 26, 2026

A New Dawn said:
And nothing in that verse suggests that man has to come up with that belief himself.

God grants to each human being enough grace to choose to believe in him or not. Cornelius is an excellent example of a former pagan who chose to believe. Acts 10:1-2

Romans 2:14
When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves.

Joshua 24:15
Now if you are unwilling to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served in the region beyond the River or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

A New Dawn said:
Everyone who believes is everyone who has been elected and regenerated and gifted saving faith by God.

No one can be spiritually regenerated before he believes and is baptized.

God doesn't arbitrarily choose some people to be saved and others to be lost. He desires that every person be saved.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some think of slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

God "elected" for "eternal life" only the people whom he "foreknew" would be found faithful to him at the time of their deaths. God is omniscient; he knew before he created them which people would choose to believe and remain faithful until death.

Romans 8:29
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn within a large family.

Revelation 2:10
Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Beware, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison so that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have affliction. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

A New Dawn said:
You can’t take verses in isolation from each other. ALL of the Bible taken together forms the basis of God’s relationship with us.

So many people don't understand Jesus Christ's gospel. That is why Peter said:

2 Peter 3:16
speaking of this as he (Paul) does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.

This is why James said the following:

James 3:1
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.

That is why Paul warned:

Acts 20:29-30
I know that after I have gone, savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Some even from your own group will come distorting the truth in order to entice the disciples to follow them.

A New Dawn · May 26, 2026

Jan001 said:
God grants to each human being enough grace to choose to believe in him or not. Cornelius is an excellent example of a former pagan who chose to believe. Acts 10:1-2

Romans 2:14
When Gentiles, who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law requires, these, though not having the law, are a law to themselves.

Joshua 24:15
Now if you are unwilling to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served in the region beyond the River or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

No one can be spiritually regenerated before he believes and is baptized.

God doesn't arbitrarily choose some people to be saved and others to be lost. He desires that every person be saved.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some think of slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

God "elected" for "eternal life" only the people whom he "foreknew" would be found faithful to him at the time of their deaths. God is omniscient; he knew before he created them which people would choose to believe and remain faithful until death.

Romans 8:29
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn within a large family.

Revelation 2:10
Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Beware, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison so that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have affliction. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

So many people don't understand Jesus Christ's gospel. That is why Peter said:

2 Peter 3:16
speaking of this as he (Paul) does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.

This is why James said the following:

James 3:1
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.

That is why Paul warned:

Acts 20:29-30
I know that after I have gone, savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Some even from your own group will come distorting the truth in order to entice the disciples to follow them.

I am not going around and around in circles. Since you are Catholic and you place tradition and papal authority on interpretation of scripture on par with scripture, itself, and for every verse you quote there is one with the exact opposite meaning, then we are done. You are not debating, you are demanding we adhere to your opinion of what the scriptures say, when they don’t even say what you say they say.

Jan001 · May 26, 2026

A New Dawn said:
I am not going around and around in circles. Since you are Catholic and you place tradition and papal authority on interpretation of scripture on par with scripture, itself, and for every verse you quote there is one with the exact opposite meaning, then we are done. You are not debating, you are demanding we adhere to your opinion of what the scriptures say, when they don’t even say what you say they say.

Many, many people are their own "pope/authority" these days.

Jan001 · May 26, 2026

For us Christians to be approved to enter into eternal life after we die, we must first do the "good works" that God had prepared in advance for us to do. This is the law of Christ.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are what he has made us, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life.

Galatians 6:2
Bear one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

What will be our eternal reward if we do not do these good works that God prepared for us to do?

The Judgment of the Nations

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, 33 and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. 34 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? 38 And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? 39 And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?’ 40 And the king will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.’ 41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

boughtwithaprice · May 28, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
Excuse me, but I am under no obligation to answer your questions!
You try to prove your point by proof texting and not by looking at the big picture, like what is the essence of the words 'grace' and 'faith' and your desire to add to it, as a requirement for salvation.
Paul addressed this issue in the Book of Galatians where false teachers were adding circumcision to grace and faith as a requirement for salvation.
You are doing the same but instead of circumcision, it is baptism.
What they and you are advocating is 'works-righteousness', the idea of gaining God's favor by doing something, in your case, baptism.
We are saved by grace through faith alone, plus nothing!

The scriptures clearly teach that we are saved by works and not by faith alone. That is clearly stated by the epistle of James . Even our Lord says that if a man hears these words of mine and does not do them, he is as a house on sand. 1cor13 says if all we have is faith alone though we could move mountains, we are nothing
Your position is not backed up by scripture and is merely the words of a man. It may sound good to you, but it is not scripture The reformers were mistaken
Good works do not come by human effort, but the grace of God, which always produces works. We are saved through faith not by faith, it is the gift of God. Faith is shown by works, as it is no longer we that live but Christ lives in us

If we deny works we deny Christ who said let your light shine before men, that they may see the good works that you do, and give glory to God

A New Dawn · May 28, 2026

boughtwithaprice said:
The scriptures clearly teach that we are saved by works and not by faith alone. That is clearly stated by the epistle of James . Even our Lord says that if a man hears these words of mine and does not do them, he is as a house on sand. 1cor13 says if all we have is faith alone though we could move mountains, we are nothing
Your position is not backed up by scripture and is merely the words of a man. It may sound good to you, but it is not scripture The reformers were mistaken
Good works do not come by human effort, but the grace of God, which always produces works. We are saved through faith not by faith, it is the gift of God. Faith is shown by works, as it is no longer we that live but Christ lives in us

If we deny works we deny Christ who said let your light shine before men, that they may see the good works that you do, and give glory to God

I don’t see scriptures saying that. I see scriptures saying that if you have faith you will have works. Having works that are faith-based doesn’t suggest that we are saved by them. AND it is clearly stated in Ephesians that we are given faith by God and we are created unto good works in Christ Jesus so that no man may boast of his own salvation.

boughtwithaprice · May 28, 2026

A New Dawn said:
I don’t see scriptures saying that. I see scriptures saying that if you have faith you will have works. Having works that are faith-based doesn’t suggest that we are saved by them. AND it is clearly stated in Ephesians that we are given faith by God and we are created unto good works in Christ Jesus so that no man may boast of his own salvation.

It is not a boast. The works come from grace; however, we will be judged by what we have done.

Revelation 20

12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works.

The human mind is sensitive to deception while here on earth. We act according to what we believe, and our beliefs determine our actions.
If we have a misunderstanding as to what faith and grace actually are, and we are told works have no value, we won’t do any. That misunderstood faith will be dead.

True faith does not just believe in God, it believes God. When He says put my words in to practice, we do it because we believe what He says.
If we just say we believe in Him, but neglect to follow His commands, He becomes our great suggestor rather than our savior. We say we love Him and ignore Him at the same time. That is double mindedness and not salvation

We need to practice good works, it is not optional. The more we practice, the better we get at them, with our love and joy of the Lord growing.

God gives us the marriage analogy. We are the bride of Christ coming to the marriage supper of the Lamb. Could you imagine a bride that says she loves her husband, but ignores everything he says and tells him how dumb she thinks he is?
That is a marriage on paper, and the husband has no choice but to cut off relations with her

The same will be with us and Jesus if we do not practice good works. The way to start is easy with prayer, fasting and almsgiving. If we need help in good works, then ask God, who is more than generous to help us
Other works that must be practiced are baptism, the Holy Eucharist, and Confession.. through these, we allow ourselves to be changed by the grace of God on a regular basis.

A New Dawn · May 28, 2026

boughtwithaprice said:
It is not a boast. The works come from grace; however, we will be judged by what we have done.

Revelation 20

12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works.

The human mind is sensitive to deception while here on earth. We act according to what we believe, and our beliefs determine our actions.
If we have a misunderstanding as to what faith and grace actually are, and we are told works have no value, we won’t do any. That misunderstood faith will be dead.

True faith does not just believe in God, it believes God. When He says put my words in to practice, we do it because we believe what He says.
If we just say we believe in Him, but neglect to follow His commands, He becomes our great suggestor rather than our savior. We say we love Him and ignore Him at the same time. That is double mindedness and not salvation

We need to practice good works, it is not optional. The more we practice, the better we get at them, with our love and joy of the Lord growing.

God gives us the marriage analogy. We are the bride of Christ coming to the marriage supper of the Lamb. Could you imagine a bride that says she loves her husband, but ignores everything he says and tells him how dumb she thinks he is?
That is a marriage on paper, and the husband has no choice but to cut off relations with her

The same will be with us and Jesus if we do not practice good works. The way to start is easy with prayer, fasting and almsgiving. If we need help in good works, then ask God, who is more than generous to help us
Other works that must be practiced are baptism, the Holy Eucharist, and Confession.. through these, we allow ourselves to be changed by the grace of God on a regular basis.

I agree that we works need to accompany faith, otherwise we’d have rampant antinomianism and no lasting faith. I do believe, however, that all of our sins have been nailed to the cross and we bear them no more, and that is what Christ meant when He said “It is finished.” And with the prompting of the Holy Spirit, we eventually become conformed to the image of Christ.

David1701 · May 28, 2026

boughtwithaprice said:
It is not a boast. The works come from grace; however, we will be judged by what we have done.

Revelation 20

12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works.

The human mind is sensitive to deception while here on earth. We act according to what we believe, and our beliefs determine our actions.
If we have a misunderstanding as to what faith and grace actually are, and we are told works have no value, we won’t do any. That misunderstood faith will be dead.

True faith does not just believe in God, it believes God. When He says put my words in to practice, we do it because we believe what He says.
If we just say we believe in Him, but neglect to follow His commands, He becomes our great suggestor rather than our savior. We say we love Him and ignore Him at the same time. That is double mindedness and not salvation

We need to practice good works, it is not optional. The more we practice, the better we get at them, with our love and joy of the Lord growing.

God gives us the marriage analogy. We are the bride of Christ coming to the marriage supper of the Lamb. Could you imagine a bride that says she loves her husband, but ignores everything he says and tells him how dumb she thinks he is?
That is a marriage on paper, and the husband has no choice but to cut off relations with her

The same will be with us and Jesus if we do not practice good works. The way to start is easy with prayer, fasting and almsgiving. If we need help in good works, then ask God, who is more than generous to help us
Other works that must be practiced are baptism, the Holy Eucharist, and Confession.. through these, we allow ourselves to be changed by the grace of God on a regular basis.

This sounds very much like R.C. works-based "salvation", hoping that we will have been good enough, by the time we die; rather than genuine biblical faith that produces good fruit (some thirty, some sixty and some an hundredfold), because we're already saved.

boughtwithaprice · May 28, 2026

A New Dawn said:
I agree that we works need to accompany faith, otherwise we’d have rampant antinomianism and no lasting faith. I do believe, however, that all of our sins have been nailed to the cross and we bear them no more, and that is what Christ meant when He said “It is finished.” And with the prompting of the Holy Spirit, we eventually become conformed to the image of Christ.

It is finished meant the Old Covenant. We are now in the New. When we are born again, we deny ourselves and cease from mortal sin. Then we regularly consume the body and blood of Our Lord to purify us from venial sin and decrease our desire for sin.

If we say that all of our sins are forgiven and then fail to take heed of ourselves as we walk this earth, it gives us an air of complacency and presumption. Jesus death is sufficient to forgive all sin, but it requires repentance, participation and asking for the gift to receive it
If we truly wish to serve God, we would want to be purified, not make excuses for our sin which puts us in a state of I believe but don’t want to repent because it’s too hard. Of course it is hard, that is why we ask God for help, not just once but continually. It is said a righteous man falls seven times per day, but he still has the humility to ask God to help him up again. He does not lay there like a sloth and say, oh well I can’t help sinning so I will stay down here in the mire, I believe you will save me anyway so why should I waste time repenting?
That attitude will not get him into heaven. Of it’s done out of ignorance, he may get purgatory, but it is up to God where he goes. He is not owed salvation

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The Judgment of the Nations​

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