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You are making things up. This from AI:

Continuous Monitoring: Inspectors had daily access to declared nuclear sites, such as the Natanz and Fordo enrichment facilities, and maintained continuous on-line enrichment monitors and tamper-proof seals.

If there was a military site then the Iranians could delay inspection. But you'd still get access and you can't hide a few thousand centrifuges and uranium enriching equipement. But what can you inspect right now? Nothing. What promises do you now have that Iran won't pursue nukes? None. What's to now stop them pursuing that aim? Zilch. Is the US safer than it was? Of course not.

Trump has blundered into this war with absolutely no concerns about the outcome. He literally said that he didn't care about the financial pain it was causing you. And he means you. A US citizen.

He said he'd obliterated the Iranian nuclear capabilities months ago. Now he says he wants to destroy their ability to make them. What, completely obliterate something that has already been completely obliterated? Then he says they were a couple of weeks away from getting a nuke. Now if we were talking about two people saying those two things then you would have to agree that one of them was lying through their teeth. So how come you accept those two contradictory statements when it comes out of Trumps mouth?

So what are you going to end up with? What's the next step? What's Trump's plan for the next week? What's he going to do next? You have absolutely no idea. Because he has absolutely no idea idea. I could ask you to list all the things that you think he shouldn't do and you won't do it. Because whatever suggestion you make, he might end up doing it and then where would that leave you?

Exactly where you already are.

I'll try Google AI myself:

Did the Obama deal with Iran allow for no-advance notice inspections of nuclear sites?

AI Overview


No, the 2015 Iran Nuclear Deal (JCPOA) did not allow for "anytime, anywhere" or purely no-advance notice inspections. It implemented a heavily structured "managed access" process with a potential delay of up to 24 days for suspected undeclared sites.
The inspection process was structured as follows:
  • Declared Sites: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) had continuous access and maintained physical or technical presence at all officially declared nuclear facilities.
  • Undeclared or Suspicious Sites: If the IAEA suspected covert nuclear activity at an undeclared location, it had to first provide Iran with the basis of its concerns and request clarification.
  • Managed Access and Delays: If Iran’s explanations did not resolve the issue, the IAEA could request access. Iran had up to 14 days to work with the IAEA to resolve the concerns. If they were still unresolved, the issue went to a Joint Commission (made up of the negotiating countries), which had up to 7 days to make a decision.
  • Final Access: If access was ultimately granted, it was conducted as "managed access" designed to protect Iran's military or non-nuclear sensitive information, with a maximum timeline that could legally take up to 24 days from the initial request.
 
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I'll try Google AI myself:

Did the Obama deal with Iran allow for no-advance notice inspections of nuclear sites?

AI Overview


No, the 2015 Iran Nuclear Deal (JCPOA) did not allow for "anytime, anywhere" or purely no-advance notice inspections. It implemented a heavily structured "managed access" process with a potential delay of up to 24 days for suspected undeclared sites.
The inspection process was structured as follows:
  • Declared Sites: The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) had continuous access and maintained physical or technical presence at all officially declared nuclear facilities.
  • Undeclared or Suspicious Sites: If the IAEA suspected covert nuclear activity at an undeclared location, it had to first provide Iran with the basis of its concerns and request clarification.
  • Managed Access and Delays: If Iran’s explanations did not resolve the issue, the IAEA could request access. Iran had up to 14 days to work with the IAEA to resolve the concerns. If they were still unresolved, the issue went to a Joint Commission (made up of the negotiating countries), which had up to 7 days to make a decision.
  • Final Access: If access was ultimately granted, it was conducted as "managed access" designed to protect Iran's military or non-nuclear sensitive information, with a maximum timeline that could legally take up to 24 days from the initial request.
That said exactly what I said. That's what you used to have. Until Trump said he didn't want it. Then you had nothing.

Then Trump thought the only way to get something from nothing was to bomb Iran. And (his words) their nuclear facilities were 'completely obliterated'.

SO WHAT IN HEAVEN'S NAME IS HE DOING NOW?

He's trying to stop them doing something that he said he'd already prevented them doing? He's going to destroy something he said had already been destroyed?

Excuse me, but I'm going to shout again. HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING!

Neither do you. You don't seem able to grasp what's going on. People need to get their heads out of the sand and get rid ov this guy. Put Vance in charge. You know, the guy who said that Trump was the American Hitler. Put him in charge. Put some random dude in charge. Literally anyone would do.
 
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That...doesn't make any sense.

One of the things tarrifs can do is raise the effective price floor, for both imported and domestic goods.

So, if imported lemons or apples are now 25% more expensive, then domestic producers can raise prices without any substantial loss in relative pricing.

This is particularly problematic in markets where there is a high degree of concentration. Which the US has, in both the wholesale and retail food sales segments. (Australia is even worse at least in the retail segment, with our four largest grocery chains holding about an 80% share of purchasing).

It's VERY hard to estimate what the exact impacts are, because inflation is a system- wide impact, but it looks like US agricultural producers are charging about 3.0-4.5% more, on average, than they were before the tarrifs were introduced. In comparison, prices on foreign agricultural imports have increased roughly 6-12%.

Even the (VERY Trumpy) AEI agrees. From their 12 month assessment of the tarrifs:

Nonetheless, higher tariffs remain for "numerous other agricultural and food products. The consequence is that domestic processors and groceries will pay higher prices for those imported goods and their domestically produced competitors. Thus, households will pay more for many of the foods they purchase and face higher living costs."
 
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One of the things tarrifs can do is raise the effective price floor, for both imported and domestic goods.
Yeah, but Tuur was waiting to see the effect of tariffs on local crops. Not what effect tariffs on foreign crops would be.
 
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The Obama "deal" did not allow for no-advance notice inspections of nuclear sites. It allowed for a lengthy bureaucratic delay process by Iran. That was a critical flaw. Nor did it keep under control long range missile development or cover cyber attacks by Iran. It was also flawed because it was not a permanent deal. When Joe came along he released billions of dollars to Iran, that disastrous move forced Trump to take action before it was too late.
"Obama deal".
Another meaningless propaganda stunt.
The JCPOA was signed by the USA, the UK, Italy, Germany, Iran (of course) and the IAEA.
It is not because the USA is very good at electing incompetent presidents (make your choice) that these other countries haven't sent competent negotiators.
Here is a list of all the IAEA reports or Iran. Feel free to point out in which report the IAEA mentions a non compliance by Iran.
 
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Americans in Difficulty: Food Spending Becomes the First Cut in Consumption

NYT survey describe a country cutting back on consumption and leisure, with concern over the impact of Trump’s policies​

A survey cited by the New York Times reports that 61% of respondents have changed their habits in recent months, either giving up certain products or reducing the amount of groceries they buy at supermarkets.

Cutting non-essential spending

The decline in consumption is not limited to food. Fifty-nine percent of respondents report reducing spending on non-essential items, particularly entertainment, leisure, and recreational activities. The trend reflects a broader shift in household budgeting: discretionary costs are increasingly postponed or eliminated, while a clearer distinction emerges between what is necessary and what can wait.

Survey data points to uneven responses across social groups. The middle class appears most exposed to gradual reductions in discretionary spending, while lower-income households are primarily cutting essential goods, reshaping their financial balance more sharply. Higher-income groups, by contrast, tend to maintain more stable consumption levels, while placing greater emphasis on value and affordability.
 
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"Obama deal".
Another meaningless propaganda stunt.
The JCPOA was signed by the USA, the UK, Italy, Germany, Iran (of course) and the IAEA.
It is not because the USA is very good at electing incompetent presidents (make your choice) that these other countries haven't sent competent negotiators.
Here is a list of all the IAEA reports or Iran. Feel free to point out in which report the IAEA mentions a non compliance by Iran.
I don't believe a lot of you are understanding. Nuclear reactors need enriched uranium typically around 3-5 percent. The U.S. is now negotiating to remove the hundreds of kilos of nuclear material Iran holds, nuclear material that is 60% purity. If Iran still had their full facilities, that is, if it weren't for Trump, they could have that material ready for their first atomic bomb in perhaps two weeks. I've already pointed out the flaws in the negotiated Obama plan, a plan which gave Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons and did nothing to curb Iran's efforts to increase the range of their missiles or to stop their cyber attacks. It is folly to assume the European negotiators were better then the Iranian negotiators, a number of European countries negotiated with Hitler before he decided to overrun their countries. Iran was going to cheat when they could get away with it, and if you remember they did while the key JCPOA negotiator from Europe downplayed their cheating:

"Iran has ratcheted up the pressure in recent weeks with calibrated violations of the deal — known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) — breaching limits on uranium stockpiling and enrichment. But the EU’s foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said that currently, none of the other parties to the agreement feel the breaches are “significant” enough to trigger the pact’s dispute resolution mechanism."
 
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I don't believe a lot of you are understanding. Nuclear reactors need enriched uranium typically around 3-5 percent. The U.S. is now negotiating to remove the hundreds of kilos of nuclear material Iran holds, nuclear material that is 60% purity. If Iran still had their full facilities, that is, if it weren't for Trump, they could have that material ready for their first atomic bomb in perhaps two weeks. I've already pointed out the flaws in the negotiated Obama plan, a plan which gave Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons and did nothing to curb Iran's efforts to increase the range of their missiles or to stop their cyber attacks. It is folly to assume the European negotiators were better then the Iranian negotiators, a number of European countries negotiated with Hitler before he decided to overrun their countries.
"The U.S. is now negotiating to remove the hundreds of kilos of nuclear material Iran holds, nuclear material that is 60% purity. If Iran still had their full facilities, that is, if it weren't for Trump...." Correct. It's Trump who is reason why they were at 60%. Not being under the treaty is what drove them to start enriching material beyond the agreement. Now with Trump, we have a worse situation. Iran with new more hard lined leadership in place. The strait still closed. And the GOP going crazy because as of now, the Trump agreement in understanding (where have we head that term before) is going to lift sanctions and give them billions to open the strait. As I said before, the US is going to end up with a worse deal than the JCPOA that Trump tore up. I mean after all we do have some of our sharpest nuclear negotiators there. Two family grifting real estate developers.
 
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"The U.S. is now negotiating to remove the hundreds of kilos of nuclear material Iran holds, nuclear material that is 60% purity. If Iran still had their full facilities, that is, if it weren't for Trump...." Correct. It's Trump who is reason why they were at 60%. Not being under the treaty is what drove them to start enriching material beyond the agreement. Now with Trump, we have a worse situation. Iran with new more hardline leader in place. The strait still closed. And the GOP going crazy because as of now Trump is going to lift sanctions and give them billions to open the strait. As I said before, the US is going to end up with a worse deal than the JCPOA that Trump tore up. I mean after all we do have some of our sharpest nuclear negotiators there. Two family grifting real estate developers.
I get it, everything is Trump's fault.
 
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I get it, everything is Trump's fault.
What I was speaking on is his actions regarding Iran. So yes, as a matter of fact that situation is his fault.
 
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I don't believe a lot of you are understanding. Nuclear reactors need enriched uranium typically around 3-5 percent. The U.S. is now negotiating to remove the hundreds of kilos of nuclear material Iran holds, nuclear material that is 60% purity. If Iran still had their full facilities, that is, if it weren't for Trump, they could have that material ready for their first atomic bomb in perhaps two weeks. I've already pointed out the flaws in the negotiated Obama plan, a plan which gave Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons and did nothing to curb Iran's efforts to increase the range of their missiles or to stop their cyber attacks. It is folly to assume the European negotiators were better then the Iranian negotiators, a number of European countries negotiated with Hitler before he decided to overrun their countries. Iran was going to cheat when they could get away with it, and if you remember they did while the key JCPOA negotiator from Europe downplayed their cheating:

"Iran has ratcheted up the pressure in recent weeks with calibrated violations of the deal — known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) — breaching limits on uranium stockpiling and enrichment. But the EU’s foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said that currently, none of the other parties to the agreement feel the breaches are “significant” enough to trigger the pact’s dispute resolution mechanism."
Having 90% enriched uranium gets Iran to a dirty-bomb.
I don’t know if they even have a design for a bomb that is small enough to fit onto their ballistics missiles. (None of their ballistic missiles are capable of reaching the United States).

The link you’ve included was from after Trump pulled the USA out of the JCPOA, and is worthless.
 
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I don't believe a lot of you are understanding. Nuclear reactors need enriched uranium typically around 3-5 percent. The U.S. is now negotiating to remove the hundreds of kilos of nuclear material Iran holds, nuclear material that is 60% purity. If Iran still had their full facilities, that is, if it weren't for Trump, they could have that material ready for their first atomic bomb in perhaps two weeks. I've already pointed out the flaws in the negotiated Obama plan, a plan which gave Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons and did nothing to curb Iran's efforts to increase the range of their missiles or to stop their cyber attacks. It is folly to assume the European negotiators were better then the Iranian negotiators, a number of European countries negotiated with Hitler before he decided to overrun their countries. Iran was going to cheat when they could get away with it, and if you remember they did while the key JCPOA negotiator from Europe downplayed their cheating:

"Iran has ratcheted up the pressure in recent weeks with calibrated violations of the deal — known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) — breaching limits on uranium stockpiling and enrichment. But the EU’s foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini said that currently, none of the other parties to the agreement feel the breaches are “significant” enough to trigger the pact’s dispute resolution mechanism."
You'll note that the linked article was written in July 2019 - a year after Donald unilaterally withdrew from JCPOA and imposed sanctions.
 
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You'll note that the linked article was written in July 2019 - a year after Donald unilaterally withdrew from JCPOA and imposed sanctions.
And a key European negotiator was letting violations slide and not trying to revise the agreement that had made it so easy for Iran to cheat.
Eventually Iran enriched enough uranium so that Trump had to step in to stop the nuclear bomb. Realize that the rest of the other four parties, including Iran, had maintained the agreement in place. Contrary to some on the left, Trump did not "shred" the agreement, he merely dropped the United States out. He was right again, the Iranians, aided by billions of dollars released by the Biden administration, were close to creating an atomic bomb.
 
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And a key European negotiator was letting violations slide and not trying to revise the agreement that had made it so easy for Iran to cheat.

Which negotiator? What violations? What revisions? When did this occur?

(BTW I am predicting, for posterity, you will shift the burden of proof on these questions )

Eventually Iran enriched uranium enough so that Trump had to step in to stop the nuclear bomb.

Your timeline doesn't match reality (see below). Iran didn't restart highly enriched uranium production until well after the US departed the JCPOA and reimposed sanctions. And then it enriched further after the US assassinated one of its top generals.

Realize that the rest of the other four parties, including Iran, had maintained the agreement in place.

Which became immaterial when the US reimposed sanctions, because of US content and financial rules which effectively shut out large portions of imports AND prevented Iran using international settlement mechanisms.

Contrary to some on the left, Trump did not "shred" the agreement, he merely dropped the United States out.

Which shredded the agreement.

He was right again, the Iranians, aided by billions of dollars released by the Biden administration, were close to creating an atomic bomb.

Yes, because Trump abandoned the JCPOA and restarted sanctions.

With sanctions back in place there was no incentive for Iran to not resume its nuclear programme. So it did so sometime between 2019 and 2021.


Bureau of Atomic Scientists

May 2018 -
Without access to the economic relief of the JCPOA, Iran eventually restarted some nuclear operations, including developing more low-enriched uranium, which can be used for nuclear power, than the agreement had allowed and restarting stalled activities—like enriching uranium beyond medical grade at the once-secret Fordow facility.

January 2020—Iran backed away further from its nuclear promises after a targeted US drone assault killed a top general, Qasem Soleimani, who, at the time, was considered the second most powerful figure in Iran. The country announced it would no longer place limits on its uranium enrichment, effectively killing what remained of the nuclear deal.


IAEA

May-2018

Iran is subject to the world’s most robust nuclear verification regime under the JCPOA, which is a significant verification gain. As of today, the IAEA can confirm that the nuclear-related commitments are being implemented by Iran


Arms Control Association

May 8, 2018: President Trump announces that he is withdrawing the United States from the JCPOA and signs a presidential memorandum to institute the "highest level" of economic sanctions on Iran. In a statement, Secretary of the Treasury Steve Mnuchin states that sanctions will be reimposed subject to certain 90 day and 180 day "wind-down periods." In an address following Trump's announcement Iranian President Rouhani announces that Iran will continue negotiations with the other states in the agreement in order to try to continue the deal without the United States.

January 29, 2019: The annual Worldwide Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community assesses that "Iran is not currently undertaking the key nuclear weapons-development activities we judge necessary to produce a nuclear device." It adds that "Iran’s continued implementation of the JCPOA has extended the amount of time Iran would need to produce enough fissile material for a nuclear weapon from a few months to about one year."

Centres for Arms Control and Nuclear Non-Proliferation

In 2018, the United States unilaterally withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal. Others involved in the deal, particularly its European partners, tried to keep the deal running without the United States, but in 2019 Iran accelerated its uranium enrichment, and the JCPOA further deteriorated. In February 2021, at the direction of its parliament, Iran suspended implementation of the Additional Protocol following almost three years of unilateral maximum pressure sanctions imposed by the United States.
 
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Eventually Iran enriched enough uranium so that Trump had to step in to stop the nuclear bomb.
So let me get this straight. Trump first caused the problem by tearing up the deal with Iran. Which meant that Iran started enriching uranium again. A problem he then had to solve. By he decided to do by bombing Iran, threatening war crimes (his Sec of Defense literally broke the law in calling for no quarter and Trump did as well by threatening an entire civilisation with destruction), killing thousands (including children), prompting Iran to close the straits causing world wide financial bedlam, the results of which will outlive his tenure.

He's now trying to get what is practically the exact same deal that he threw in the waste paper basket, except that it now has to include opening the straits as well and dealing with whatever uranium Iran now possesses. He's now in a worse position from which to negotiate than when he started, his poll numbers are dropping like a stone, the war is costing billions, the vast majority of US citizens want all this to end and the GOP has started, belatedly, berating Trump for getting them into this unholy mess and complaining about the details of any possible deal. Trump still doesn't know what he wants and even if he did he doesn't know how to get it.

And you think this is all just peachy? That it reflects well on the guy who started all this?
 
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I will never cease to be amazed how those who claim to be followers of Truth personified, can be so effortlessly taken in by the most well documented purveyor of falsehood this century, perhaps since Plymouth Rock.
 
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So let me get this straight. Trump first caused the problem by tearing up the deal with Iran. Which meant that Iran started enriching uranium again. A problem he then had to solve. By he decided to do by bombing Iran, threatening war crimes (his Sec of Defense literally broke the law in calling for no quarter and Trump did as well by threatening an entire civilisation with destruction), killing thousands (including children), prompting Iran to close the straits causing world wide financial bedlam, the results of which will outlive his tenure.

He's now trying to get what is practically the exact same deal that he threw in the waste paper basket, except that it now has to include opening the straits as well and dealing with whatever uranium Iran now possesses. He's now in a worse position from which to negotiate than when he started, his poll numbers are dropping like a stone, the war is costing billions, the vast majority of US citizens want all this to end and the GOP has started, belatedly, berating Trump for getting them into this unholy mess and complaining about the details of any possible deal. Trump still doesn't know what he wants and even if he did he doesn't know how to get it.

And you think this is all just peachy? That it reflects well on the guy who started all this?
A number of nations were in on the agreement. Once, the U.S, dropped out, the agreement was still in force between the European countries involved and Iran. The agreement was never torn up as you assert, it remained in force. As I have said, Trump recognized the agreement was a pathway to a nuclear weapon and wanted no part of it. Trump has now been proven correct. The Obama deal allowed nuclear material to be purified to a high level. The deal Trump wants forces Iran to hand over that enriched nuclear material--very much the opposite.

Our country is in an ideal position to negotiate. Iran has no cards left. Conservatives are willing to put up with temporary price hikes in order to save tens of thousands of lives and promote peace for future generations.
 
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A number of nations were in on the agreement. Once, the U.S, dropped out, the agreement was still in force between the European countries involved and Iran. The agreement was never torn up as you assert, it remained in force.
I'm sorry. Which of the alternative realities are you referring to? When Trump tore up the deal, it collapsed. Period.
As I have said, Trump recognized the agreement was a pathway to a nuclear weapon and wanted no part of it.
It was specifically designed to prevent them getting to that stage. And was succeeding in that aim.
Trump has now been proven correct. The Obama deal allowed nuclear material to be purified to a high level.
No, it didn't. You've been given the details previously and I linked to this site where you could read them yourself: Iran Deal

'Iran must reduce its stockpile of uranium by 98%, and will keep its level of uranium enrichment at 3.67% — significantly below the enrichment level needed to create a bomb.'

You can't just make up any bulldust you like to try to make what you think are arguments less farcical.
The deal Trump wants forces Iran to hand over that enriched nuclear material--very much the opposite.
There is no deal. He can't even get the straits open. The Iranians were still laying mines yesterday. The deal he binned prevented Iran from enriching Uranium to anything over 3.67%. The deal that he binned got Iran to hand over their uranium. From the same link:

Since October (2015), Iran has:
  • Shipped 25,000 pounds of enriched uranium out of the country
  • Dismantled and removed two-thirds of its centrifuges
  • Removed the calandria from its heavy water reactor and filled it with concrete
  • Provided unprecedented access to its nuclear facilities and supply chain.
Now you're saying you want the same deal? Brilliant!

Our country is in an ideal position to negotiate.
No, it's not. The GOP is now complaining about what Trump is suggesting that he might get. His party wants him to go hard. And the voters want him to go home.
Conservatives are willing to put up with temporary price hikes in order to save tens of thousands of lives and promote peace for future generations.
A different reality again: Economic confidence plummets in US amid Iran war, poll shows

'Only 16 percent of Americans view the economy in the United States as “good” or “excellent”, a new Gallup poll suggests, as inflation continues to rise amid the war on Iran.'

Yeah, right. Prices will drop from Day 1. And no more wars. Good grief, man. He's failing at what he promised and doing the exact opposite of what he said he's do. Seriously, when are you going to admit coming to terms with this? I'm pretty certain that you have come to terms with it. You're not an idiot. But I want to know when you're going to admit to that.

Is that really too hard? Because I'd suggest that if someone you know simply keeps saying time and time again that Trump is right all the time then you'd consider him to be foolish. No-one is right all the time. It's not possible. Don't be that person.
 
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