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Yes ' it seemed a flat disc with upturned edge' Thank you.
But Prodromos wasn't disputing the fact that the article said, "It seemed a flat disc with upturned edge." He just said that you were wrong when you said that those were not Piccard's words, as you had claimed. You wrote: "He (Piccard) wrote in this magazine in 1931 'The earth looked flat with upturned edges'. Those were the words of whoever wrote the article, not Piccard's words.
 
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But Prodromos wasn't disputing the fact that the article said, "It seemed a flat disc with upturned edge." He just said that you were wrong when you said that those were not Piccard's words, as you had claimed. You wrote: "He (Piccard) wrote in this magazine in 1931 'The earth looked flat with upturned edges'. Those were the words of whoever wrote the article, not Piccard's words.

Sorry - My mistake.
 
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Thanks - don't worry about it. I hope you are still well. God bless you.

Thank you David, I'm still struggling to walk but I'm slowly getting there. :)
 
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Thank you David, I'm still struggling to walk but I'm slowly getting there. :)
Do keep taking things steadily, and may God completely heal and strengthen you!
 
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Thank you David, I'm still struggling to walk but I'm slowly getting there. :)
Keep at it. The biggest killer of older people is lack of movement. We need to keep active as much as possible.
 
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But Prodromos wasn't disputing the fact that the article said, "It seemed a flat disc with upturned edge." He just said that you were wrong when you said that those were not Piccard's words, as you had claimed. You wrote: "He (Piccard) wrote in this magazine in 1931 'The earth looked flat with upturned edges'. Those were the words of whoever wrote the article, not Piccard's words.
If I’m not mistaken, the Piccard fellow was where the name for the Star Trek commander came from. He was good, but I liked Kirk better, because you always got the idea that the actors were having fun and not taking it seriously.
 
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Thank you David, I'm still struggling to walk but I'm slowly getting there. :)
Awwww, I know that feeling.

Mind you, it's so hot in Chester today, I don't want to walk anywhere.
 
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It happens every day. There are thousands of planes in the air every day. You still did not answer how come no one has ever fallen off the side of the world or why no one has ever seen the edge of the world.
Why does the world have to have an edge?
It could be, as most biblical cosmologist actually believe, an infinite plane.
 
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Why does the world have to have an edge?
It could be, as most biblical cosmologist actually believe, an infinite plane.
We know the earth is not an infinite plane because an aircraft flying in a straight line South East leaving Sydney Australia, ends up coming back up to Santiago in Chile. That can't happen on a flat plane but obviously will happen on a globe.
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We know the earth is not an infinite plane because an aircraft flying in a straight line South East leaving Sydney Australia, ends up coming back up to Santiago in Chile. That can't happen on a flat plane but obviously will happen on a globe.
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Truthfully, you "know", no such thing.
To say you that you are "certain" that such and such is so, may have been a better choice of words.

Moral certainty is always a sign of cultural inferiority. The more uncivilized the man, the surer he is that he knows precisely what is right and what is wrong. All human progress, even in morals, has been the work of men who have doubted the current moral values, not of men who have whooped them up and tried to enforce them. The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant, in this field as in all others. His culture is based on "I am not too sure. H.L.Mencken

Mencken is speaking of morality, but it equally applies to scientific certainties as well. Maybe more so. As "certainty", in my humble estimation, is antithetical to the very idea of science.
 
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Why does the world have to have an edge?
It could be, as most biblical cosmologist actually believe, an infinite plane.
It can’t be an infinite plane. We circle the earth in planes or ships every single day and it always starts in one place and ends up back in the same place. Secondly, the earth is a sphere which is fully proven with no possibility of a flat earth.
 
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Truthfully, you "know", no such thing.
Nonsense.
To say you that you are "certain" that such and such is so, may have been a better choice of words.
No, I know. There is absolutely no question that the Earth is a globe. Travel times for certain air routes would be impossible otherwise. Anyone who claims the Earth could be otherwise is burying their head in the sand.
 
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@RedLetterJoe since you appear to be of the flat earth persuasion, perhaps you can explain how flights between Sydney and Santiago take less time than flights between Sydney and Los Angeles. Please show flight paths on your preferred map of he earth.
 
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Nonsense.

No, I know. There is absolutely no question that the Earth is a globe. Travel times for certain air routes would be impossible otherwise. Anyone who claims the Earth could be otherwise is burying their head in the sand.
There are so many everyday observations that agree with the earth being a globe but disagree with it being flat: sun rise, sun set, sun staying the same size, a horizon, you can see further from a height than at sea level, large ships, wind turbines and islands go out of site from the bottom up, flight times, distances, and much more.
 
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Sorry - My mistake.
Actually this is uncertain.


I was asking Claude AI here below....

auguste piccard what did he say about the shape of the earth
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Claude responded: This is a well-known quote that gets frequently misused in flat-earth circles, so it's worth unpacking properly.​

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This is a well-known quote that gets frequently misused in flat-earth circles, so it's worth unpacking properly.
The quote: After his record-breaking 1931 stratosphere balloon flight, a Popular Mechanics/Popular Science article included the description that the Earth "seemed a flat disc with an upturned edge." FlatEarth.ws
What it actually means: The phrase isn't even clearly a direct quote from Piccard — it's not in quotation marks in the article, and the surrounding paragraph is written in the third person ("the observers saw the earth..."). Steemit
More importantly, the observation itself is a well-understood optical/perceptual effect. The horizontal plane through one's eye appears as a flat plane, and other horizontal planes in the distance, above or below it, seem to curve toward that fixed plane — essentially a visual illusion caused by perspective from altitude. Metabunk
What Piccard actually believed: In another interview, it is clear that he was convinced the Earth is a sphere. In his writings about his expeditions, the word "globe" was mentioned several times, and his book Earth, Sky, and Sea never once mentioned flat Earth. In fact, his grandson claimed on his website that Auguste Piccard was the first man to witness the curvature of the Earth. FlatEarth.wsFlatEarth.ws
The altitude context also matters: Piccard reached about 15,781 m (roughly 51,775 ft) — not far above the cruising altitude of a commercial airliner today — and Earth's curvature is still not easy to see from that altitude, especially through small portholes. FlatEarth.ws
So the short answer: the quote is real (or close to real), but it describes a visual impression at moderate altitude, not a claim about the shape of the Earth. Piccard was a globe-Earth scientist through and through.
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You said: Your reading into this also.​

Your reading into this also. I'm just asking if he ever mentioned what he saw.
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Claude responded: Fair point, sorry for the editorializing!​

Fair point, sorry for the editorializing!
Yes — after his 1931 high-altitude balloon flight, Piccard was reported to have said the Earth "seemed a flat disc with an upturned edge," describing what he observed looking out through the portholes of his pressurized gondola from about 15 miles up.
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You said: So he said this or not?​

So he said this or not?
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Claude responded: Based on the sources, it's a bit murky.​

Based on the sources, it's a bit murky. The phrase appeared in a Popular Science article about his flight, but it wasn't clearly in quotation marks — the surrounding text was written in third person. So it may be a reporter's description rather than Piccard's own words.
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You said: Was Popular Science other articles like this, where they did not place quotations marks?​

Was Popular Science other articles like this, where they did not place quotations marks?
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Claude responded: That's a fair question, and honestly I don't know enough about Popular Science's specific editorial style in the 1930s to answer it reliably.​

That's a fair question, and honestly I don't know enough about Popular Science's specific editorial style in the 1930s to answer it reliably. That would take a closer look at the original article and other pieces from that era.
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You said: Who wrote the article​

Who wrote the article
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Claude responded: That I don't know off the top of my head.​

That I don't know off the top of my head. Would you like me to search for it?
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You said: Ok​

Ok
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Claude responded: The article was titled "Ten Miles High in an Air-Tight Ball: A fantastic aerial exploit that Jules Verne never dreamed of," :antCitation[]{citations="fd5ce8c5-…​

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The article was titled "Ten Miles High in an Air-Tight Ball: A fantastic aerial exploit that Jules Verne never dreamed of," and the contributors listed for that August 1931 issue of Popular Science were Edwin W. Teale and John Chapman Hilder. I wasn't able to pin down which of them specifically wrote the Piccard piece. AbeBooksAbeBooks
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You said: Was the magizine know for falsifying stuff​

Was the magizine know for falsifying stuff
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Claude responded: Not particularly.​

Not particularly. Popular Science was and still is a well-regarded mainstream science publication with a long history going back to 1872. It wasn't known for fabricating quotes or stories. That said, journalism standards in the 1930s were somewhat looser than today, and paraphrasing a subject's words without quotation marks was not uncommon practice at the time.
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You said: So Piccard's not quoted statement could be more true than false.​

So Piccard's not quoted statement could be more true than false.
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Claude responded: That's a reasonable conclusion.​

That's a reasonable conclusion. Given that Popular Science was a reputable publication and paraphrasing without quotes was common practice at the time, the description likely came from something Piccard actually said or communicated — just rendered in the reporter's own words rather than as a direct quote.
 
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While it is true that somebody coined (or invented) the word "gravity," nobody invented gravity. Your picture includes the words: "Things rise or fall based on their density." That is not generally true. Indeed, it is only true with things that are less dense than air, things like hydrogen and helium. Such things are the only things that rise because of density. Everything else falls to the earth or, if it is already on the earth, stays there. A lump of aluminium is much less dense that a lump of lead, but both fal to the earth at the same speed.
 
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