Questions About Prophets & Prophecy.

Aussie52 · May 14, 2026

I would like to discuss the subject of 'Prophets & Prophecy'.
What is a prophet in Scripture?
A Prophet was someone chosen by God to receive divine revelation and communicate it to others. They functioned as intermediaries between God and humankind. They received messages through various means including visions, dreams, direct inspiration from God, and symbolic actions. The message of the Prophet was both forthtelling and foretelling.
What is prophecy in Scripture?
In very simple terms, Biblical prophecy is God speaking through a person. It is essentially Spirit inspired communication- God revealing something to a person (the prophet) who then speaks it out to others.

Prophecy is to be evaluated, to test the genuineness of the prophetic word.
1. It was of God if it came to pass. Deut 18:22.
2. It should not cause people to depart from God. Deut 13:1-3.
3. Prophecy is to be judged 1 Cor 14:29, 1 Jn 4:1.

Questions to consider.

1. It is commonly taught by some that there is a difference between Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Prophets, and how they function. Can this be validated from Scripture or not?
2.There are many who claim to be prophets today. Is there any Scriptural proof for this claim or not?
3. Is prophecy in the New Testament the same as the Old Testament or not?
4. How do we view modern day so-called prophecy that often, does not come to pass, is often at variance with Scripture, and goes unjudged?
5. How can the idea of modern prophecy that brings 'revelation' be reconciled with the closed canon of Scriptural revelation?
6. Is there genuine prophecy happening today or did it cease with the early church?

Please discuss your thoughts.

Bob Crowley · May 14, 2026

God spoke through the prophets in ancient Israel. These days He speaks through His Word and His church.

There won't be any new "prophecies" related to the salvation of souls. That has been defined once and for all through what the Catholic Church calls the "Deposit of Faith".

But within the church there may be individuals whom God uses from time to time as "prophets". My Presbyterian pastor was "prophetic" in that I found if that if he said he thought something would happen, it did sooner or later. But his "predictions" weren't related to the church as a whole.

Sometimes his predictions were personal for me eg. he said circa 1990 that "I don't think your sister will live very long. I think she'll get leukemia." My sister died from leukemia in 2005 aged 45 - she didn't "live very long". That was personal.

Sometimes they were political. We were talking shortly after the first Gulf War which was in 1990/91. I left his church in September 1991, and the pastor died in January 1992, so obviously he spoke not long after the war. He said "I think there'll be a Second Gufl War. The Americans will have had enough of Saddam Hussein and they'll get rid of him. But I think they'll lose a FEW men the next time!' Of course Gulf War 2 happened, they got rid of Saddam Hussein but they lost about 4500 troops compared to about 300 in the first war. That was political.

Sometimes they related to the Church. He said to me "I think you'll become Catholic. .... But after you do there will be news of child abuse by Catholic priests and I think THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THEM!"

I became Catholic circa 1996/97. Some time after I did the stuff started to hit the media fan about pedophile priests and even our own Cardinal George Pell was jailed for over a year but later exonerated

Yet there was a LOT OF THEM! That prediction or prophecy applied to the church.

He was always accurate. The only way he could know some of these and other things was if God was telling him. There is no history of leukemia in our family. The pastor had no contacts in the US military to tell him what their plans were regarding Saddam Hussein, and in any case it was 11 years after he died before Gulf War 2 took place. I suppose he may have had some contacts in the church circulating rumours about the Catholic pedophile priests, but I don't think any of them would have been qualified to say there would be a "lot of them".

However these sorts of prophecies don't have the same style as the OT prophets, or the same purpose.

Incidentally if you're wondering why I stayed Catholic after the news about some priests came out, I think the Catholic Church is CLOSEST to the truth, as the pastor turned up one night in vision and said just that.

But he also had a cynical observation that "One bunch of sinners is pretty much the same as the next". Whenever I'm reminded of the failures of the Catholic Church regarding the pedophile priests and the cover up, that phrase comes to mind -

"One bunch of sinners it pretty much the same as the next!"

Aren't we just?

Maria Billingsley · May 14, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
I would like to discuss the subject of 'Prophets & Prophecy'.
What is a prophet in Scripture?
A Prophet was someone chosen by God to receive divine revelation and communicate it to others. They functioned as intermediaries between God and humankind. They received messages through various means including visions, dreams, direct inspiration from God, and symbolic actions. The message of the Prophet was both forthtelling and foretelling.
What is prophecy in Scripture?
In very simple terms, Biblical prophecy is God speaking through a person. It is essentially Spirit inspired communication- God revealing something to a person (the prophet) who then speaks it out to others.

Prophecy is to be evaluated, to test the genuineness of the prophetic word.
1. It was of God if it came to pass. Deut 18:22.
2. It should not cause people to depart from God. Deut 13:1-3.
3. Prophecy is to be judged 1 Cor 14:29, 1 Jn 4:1.

Questions to consider.

1. It is commonly taught by some that there is a difference between Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Prophets, and how they function. Can this be validated from Scripture or not?
2.There are many who claim to be prophets today. Is there any Scriptural proof for this claim or not?
3. Is prophecy in the New Testament the same as the Old Testament or not?
4. How do we view modern day so-called prophecy that often, does not come to pass, is often at variance with Scripture, and goes unjudged?
5. How can the idea of modern prophecy that brings 'revelation' be reconciled with the closed canon of Scriptural revelation?
6. Is there genuine prophecy happening today or did it cease with the early church?

Please discuss your thoughts.

In the Old Testament, Prophets delivered warnings for national faithfulness, personal revelations for individual accountability, and to assert divine authority over neighboring nations. Interwoven are the Messianic prophecies which are not a separate isolated topic but, are woven throughout the three categories to show that the Messiah would be the ultimate solution for the individual, the nation, and the entire world.

In the New Testament we have an announcement phase. These prophetic utterances acted as a bridge announcing the arrival of the Messiah and identifying Him in infancy all the way up to the final prophecy from John the Baptist.

Then Jesus Christ of Nazareth walked among us. When He began His adult ministry, the dynamics changed because He began to speak and act with His own authority. He lived as the ultimate Prophet, performing miracles that verified the Old Testament revelations. During this time, His messages focused on the "Kingdom of God," calling individuals to personal repentance while offering a collective hope to the nations.

So now this brings us to the early Church before the destruction of Jerusalem. Prophecy was a blend of declaring the established Gospel and revealing specific future warnings.

Now let's look at what we have today. We should remember what Revelation 19: tells us:

9 Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.” 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

This means that whenever the Gospel is preached and the truth of Christ is testified to, a prophetic act is occurring because the message originates from God.

Now the question is, what constitutes a prophetic word today? What identifies one to be called a Prophet? If we look at history there is a common thread. That common thread throughout every era of prophecy is the consistent revelation of God’s redemptive plan through Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Unfortunately, what we have today , in self proclaimed prophets, are mostly flesh-driven declarations that prioritize personal ambition, emotionalism, and material gain over the exaltation of our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. These types of revelations can be categorized as false.
Additionally, when these revelations do not come to pass, it leads one who discerns wisely, to identify that person as a false prophet.

I hope this helps. This is near and dear to my heart as it is difficult to understand or accept the ongoing actions of many congregations teaching against the Gospel.

Be blessed.

Richard T · May 14, 2026

1. It is commonly taught by some that there is a difference between Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Prophets, and how they function. Can this be validated from Scripture or not?

The OT prophets were God's spokesmen for the nations. They decided whether God was in a war. They were critical because they carried far more authority than today's prophets. Today it is even hard to tell who is legitimate. Sure they had OT false prophets, but the consequences for being wrong could be the end of life. Since we have the NT and every believer has the Spirit of God and the word to lead and guide us, we do not often need a prophetic word or as much direction. So the level of depth and consequence in the OT was far, far greater. Where it matters greatly today is the role of prophetic witnessing where God specifically gives something that is unknown, rarely as significant as Jesus gave to the woman at the well, but significant enough that another person really knows God spoke to them.
Of course error can come from a prophet in the NT. I am not just talking false prophets, but sometimes men and women in this office miss God, and what he wants to say. If sincere, that does not make him a false prophet because the others prophets are to judge the word always. From such judging one can learn to distinguish from the flesh and the Spirit. Sadly, the judging is rarely done. So prophets go around with little accountability.

2.There are many who claim to be prophets today. Is there any Scriptural proof for this claim or not?
If a person regularly gives words of prophecy, especially infused with words of knowledge or wisdom and ministers the gospel consistently, then perhaps they are operating as a prophet. But it is not a self bestowed title. One of the largest Pentecostal denominations does not even recognize the office of the prophet, though they do recognize the gift of prophecy. I suppose if you felt God called you, went though a period of God teaching you and others who are respected confirmed it, then you could be a prophet.

3. Is prophecy in the New Testament the same as the Old Testament or not?
sometimes it could be but in general the NT has the foundation laid. Prophets might fill in some needed gaps but nothing ever contrary to the word of God.

4. How do we view modern day so-called prophecy that often, does not come to pass, is often at variance with Scripture, and goes unjudged?

It is just flesh or in some cases demonic. Many have written off prophecy because much of it is not of God and in some cases it is used to glorify men, and not God.

5. How can the idea of modern prophecy that brings 'revelation' be reconciled with the closed canon of Scriptural revelation?
While the logos word of God is set, the rhema or spoken word through the scriptures is not. it is this rhema that gives us individual revelation. Rhema can come though the word in the form of revelation that is faith building or it can be spoken words in our hear to let u know our place a purpose of God. To rise to the level of prophecy, it is an unction not ordered by men but as the Holy Spirit is willing, whereby the hearer who operates in prophecy directs others to hear the word of the Lord. It can be occurring during a sermon, a talk and not even be necessarily distinguished as a prophecy. It does not have to have "thus saith the Lord," to make it so. It simply is a message from God for a particular individual, church, or in raree cases parts of the body of Christ or even nations. I say nations reluctantly because there is no real authoritative prophet. Even the best on youtube have maybe 2 million views which is far short of even a national prophetic leader.

6. Is there genuine prophecy happening today or did it cease with the early church?
Absolutely there is genuine prophecy today. It may disclose the hearts of people, encourage or confirm places, events or poeple. Yes, it still can warn or correct at times as well. Sadly too, much prophecy seems inconsequential. But I have seen some operate in the gifts quite accurately and in ways that really do help another find God and the path that they our supposed to be on.

Altogether prophecy is likely overused. Too many want to be in that role yet few likely want the path God has for them to be set apart. I am not saying that NT prophets face the obstacles like we see in the OT. Hosea who prophetically married a a prostitute to show Israel their sin, is just one example. Still, i do not think a bona fide prophet is casual. A person who occasionally gives a prophecy or work though can be quite ordinary. Paul said to desire earnestly especially to prophecy, so why not?

Aussie52 · May 14, 2026

Richard T said:
1. It is commonly taught by some that there is a difference between Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Prophets, and how they function. Can this be validated from Scripture or not?

The OT prophets were God's spokesmen for the nations. They decided whether God was in a war. They were critical because they carried far more authority than today's prophets. Today it is even hard to tell who is legitimate. Sure they had OT false prophets, but the consequences for being wrong could be the end of life. Since we have the NT and every believer has the Spirit of God and the word to lead and guide us, we do not often need a prophetic word or as much direction. So the level of depth and consequence in the OT was far, far greater. Where it matters greatly today is the role of prophetic witnessing where God specifically gives something that is unknown, rarely as significant as Jesus gave to the woman at the well, but significant enough that another person really knows God spoke to them.
Of course error can come from a prophet in the NT. I am not just talking false prophets, but sometimes men and women in this office miss God, and what he wants to say. If sincere, that does not make him a false prophet because the others prophets are to judge the word always. From such judging one can learn to distinguish from the flesh and the Spirit. Sadly, the judging is rarely done. So prophets go around with little accountability.

2.There are many who claim to be prophets today. Is there any Scriptural proof for this claim or not?
If a person regularly gives words of prophecy, especially infused with words of knowledge or wisdom and ministers the gospel consistently, then perhaps they are operating as a prophet. But it is not a self bestowed title. One of the largest Pentecostal denominations does not even recognize the office of the prophet, though they do recognize the gift of prophecy. I suppose if you felt God called you, went though a period of God teaching you and others who are respected confirmed it, then you could be a prophet.

3. Is prophecy in the New Testament the same as the Old Testament or not?
sometimes it could be but in general the NT has the foundation laid. Prophets might fill in some needed gaps but nothing ever contrary to the word of God.

4. How do we view modern day so-called prophecy that often, does not come to pass, is often at variance with Scripture, and goes unjudged?

It is just flesh or in some cases demonic. Many have written off prophecy because much of it is not of God and in some cases it is used to glorify men, and not God.

5. How can the idea of modern prophecy that brings 'revelation' be reconciled with the closed canon of Scriptural revelation?
While the logos word of God is set, the rhema or spoken word through the scriptures is not. it is this rhema that gives us individual revelation. Rhema can come though the word in the form of revelation that is faith building or it can be spoken words in our hear to let u know our place a purpose of God. To rise to the level of prophecy, it is an unction not ordered by men but as the Holy Spirit is willing, whereby the hearer who operates in prophecy directs others to hear the word of the Lord. It can be occurring during a sermon, a talk and not even be necessarily distinguished as a prophecy. It does not have to have "thus saith the Lord," to make it so. It simply is a message from God for a particular individual, church, or in raree cases parts of the body of Christ or even nations. I say nations reluctantly because there is no real authoritative prophet. Even the best on youtube have maybe 2 million views which is far short of even a national prophetic leader.

6. Is there genuine prophecy happening today or did it cease with the early church?
Absolutely there is genuine prophecy today. It may disclose the hearts of people, encourage or confirm places, events or poeple. Yes, it still can warn or correct at times as well. Sadly too, much prophecy seems inconsequential. But I have seen some operate in the gifts quite accurately and in ways that really do help another find God and the path that they our supposed to be on.

Altogether prophecy is likely overused. Too many want to be in that role yet few likely want the path God has for them to be set apart. I am not saying that NT prophets face the obstacles like we see in the OT. Hosea who prophetically married a a prostitute to show Israel their sin, is just one example. Still, i do not think a bona fide prophet is casual. A person who occasionally gives a prophecy or work though can be quite ordinary. Paul said to desire earnestly especially to prophecy, so why not?

I don't believe there is any genuine prophecy today. The aim of prophecy was to communicate revelation from God to the people of God. Now that we have the Scriptures, which is God's completed revelation to the Church, there is no need for any prophecy.

Paul tells us that,' All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.' 2 Tim 16,17.

If Scripture does all this, and it does, there is no more need for present day prophecy. Scripture alone meets the spiritual needs of the believer. The idea of prophetic revelation goes against the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture.
What passes today as prophecy at best, is no more than people speaking out of their own uninspired hearts and minds. At worst, it is clairvoyance and divination.
When someone stands up and says, 'Thus says the Lord,' and brings a 'prophecy' today, they are blaspheming. (Something I have had to repent of).
Present day prophecy? Believer beware!

Richard T · May 15, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
I don't believe there is any genuine prophecy today. The aim of prophecy was to communicate revelation from God to the people of God. Now that we have the Scriptures, which is God's completed revelation to the Church, there is no need for any prophecy.

Paul tells us that,' All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.' 2 Tim 16,17.

If Scripture does all this, and it does, there is no more need for present day prophecy. Scripture alone meets the spiritual needs of the believer. The idea of prophetic revelation goes against the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture.
What passes today as prophecy at best, is no more than people speaking out of their own uninspired hearts and minds. At worst, it is clairvoyance and divination.
When someone stands up and says, 'Thus says the Lord,' and brings a 'prophecy' today, they are blaspheming. (Something I have had to repent of).
Present day prophecy? Believer beware!

Yes, many believe there is no prophecy for today. But why would Peter warn of false prophets? Paul too had a prophecy not to go to Jerusalem, more than once. So why stop there? You don't think that no one has warned others before? I had someone warn me of doing something. I ignored her and sure enough the negative came just as she told me. I also had asked God something in private and that next day a minister told me the answer. i had not told anyone.

Paul too said that he wished all would prophecy so why bother with that? Yes, it is abused but it really can correct and help in many ways. It is just one of many tools that can be used to help benefit others.

I will ask too is it blasphemy to prophecy a true word, or blasphemy to say it is of the devil if indeed it is the Holy Spirit speaking through prophecy? I would consider things and see what pans out. Most words can't be verified specifically but there are some that are quite specific and undeniable. Sure the devil has familiar spirits and counterfeit ways to help someone fear the future and make things come to pass. But God's word is is true, we know in part and we prophecy in part. Why because the bible is the foundation but everyone once in a while there is a specific need. The hope is to learn how to discern not to just throw everything out.

Aussie52 · May 15, 2026

Richard T said:
Yes, many believe there is no prophecy for today. But why would Peter warn of false prophets? Paul too had a prophecy not to go to Jerusalem, more than once. So why stop there? You don't think that no one has warned others before? I had someone warn me of doing something. I ignored her and sure enough the negative came just as she told me. I also had asked God something in private and that next day a minister told me the answer. i had not told anyone.

Paul too said that he wished all would prophecy so why bother with that? Yes, it is abused but it really can correct and help in many ways. It is just one of many tools that can be used to help benefit others.

I will ask too is it blasphemy to prophecy a true word, or blasphemy to say it is of the devil if indeed it is the Holy Spirit speaking through prophecy? I would consider things and see what pans out. Most words can't be verified specifically but there are some that are quite specific and undeniable. Sure the devil has familiar spirits and counterfeit ways to help someone fear the future and make things come to pass. But God's word is is true, we know in part and we prophecy in part. Why because the bible is the foundation but everyone once in a while there is a specific need. The hope is to learn how to discern not to just throw everything out.

As I have stated, with the finished canon of Scripture and its sufficiency, I believe there is now no need for prophecy. This position may annoy some, but that is what I believe to be the Biblical position.

truthuprootsevil · May 15, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
I would like to discuss the subject of 'Prophets & Prophecy'.
What is a prophet in Scripture?
A Prophet was someone chosen by God to receive divine revelation and communicate it to others. They functioned as intermediaries between God and humankind. They received messages through various means including visions, dreams, direct inspiration from God, and symbolic actions. The message of the Prophet was both forthtelling and foretelling.
What is prophecy in Scripture?
In very simple terms, Biblical prophecy is God speaking through a person. It is essentially Spirit inspired communication- God revealing something to a person (the prophet) who then speaks it out to others.

Prophecy is to be evaluated, to test the genuineness of the prophetic word.
1. It was of God if it came to pass. Deut 18:22.
2. It should not cause people to depart from God. Deut 13:1-3.
3. Prophecy is to be judged 1 Cor 14:29, 1 Jn 4:1.

Questions to consider.

1. It is commonly taught by some that there is a difference between Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Prophets, and how they function. Can this be validated from Scripture or not?

The Old Testament prophets were direct human mouthpiece from God to speak his words to the children of Israel. The New Testament apostles / disciples / Prophets were commissioned to spread the gospels of Christ not only to Israel but to the gentiles. But all in all their purpose was the same. Old Testament prophets : 36 Bible verses about God Sending Prophets 36 Bible verses about God Sending Prophets

New Testament apostles: Matthew 28:16-20 NIV - The Great Commission - Then the eleven - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 28:16-20 - New International Version

Jeff Carr said:
2.There are many who claim to be prophets today. Is there any Scriptural proof for this claim or not?

No

Jeff Carr said:
3. Is prophecy in the New Testament the same as the Old Testament or not?

Some prophecies in the Old Testament were directly to happen to Israel before the days of Jesus - other prophecies were about Jesus and his walk on earth - and many prophecies were about the last days / the end of days /time. Mostly all prophecies in the New Testament are for the end of days, in connection with those of the Old Testament.

Jeff Carr said:
4. How do we view modern day so-called prophecy that often, does not come to pass, is often at variance with Scripture, and goes unjudged?

I can't speak for we but I pay no attention to them.

Jeff Carr said:
5. How can the idea of modern prophecy that brings 'revelation' be reconciled with the closed canon of Scriptural revelation?

I don't know of any modern prophecies that brought or brings revelation.

Jeff Carr said:
6. Is there genuine prophecy happening today or did it cease with the early church?

Please discuss your thoughts.

I don't know of any prophecies made today or in these modern days that are genuine. I don't know of any prophecies that the early church made which occurred. But according to scripture genuine prophecies will come again the closer we get to the last days.
Acts 2:17 KJV - And it shall come to pass in the last - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 2:17 - King James Version
These prophecies of the last days are happening from Old New Testaments only two or three more has to occur.
Daniel 12:4 knowledge increasing and people running to and fro ( look at how technology and people has advanced in the past 100 years) _ Zachariah 14:15 speaks of plagues from animals _ Zechariah 14:12 speaks of flesh being consumed away while one stands on their feet, sounds like nuclear weaponry which man has _ Matthew 24:6 _ 24:7 _ 24:10 _ 24:11_ 24:12 _ Luke 17:28 the days of Lot _ Luke 21:24 Jerusalem trodden of the gentiles _

Can now happen: Revelation 1:7 the world seeing the Lord coming down from the sky can be done television / Internet / cell phones / computers ___ Revelation 13:10 mark of the beast initiated / microchip implants which are being used in some countries for many identification purposes ___ Matthew 24:37 days of Noah in those days was about the angels interfering and mingling with man ____ Matthew 24:14 preaching the gospel to All Nations. The majority of the nations in the world have had the opportunity to hear the gospel many reject it ____ Matthew 24:15 the abomination that maketh desolate, some said it is speaking of Rome but according to verse 22 if Jesus don't cut those days short no flesh would be saved. "No flesh" that's a worldwide event.

That is my understanding and I respect the understanding of others.

Aussie52 · May 15, 2026

truthuprootsevil said:
The Old Testament prophets were direct human mouthpiece from God to speak his words to the children of Israel. The New Testament apostles / disciples / Prophets were commissioned to spread the gospels of Christ not only to Israel but to the gentiles. But all in all their purpose was the same. Old Testament prophets : 36 Bible verses about God Sending Prophets 36 Bible verses about God Sending Prophets

New Testament apostles: Matthew 28:16-20 NIV - The Great Commission - Then the eleven - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 28:16-20 - New International Version

No

Some prophecies in the Old Testament were directly to happen to Israel before the days of Jesus - other prophecies were about Jesus and his walk on earth - and many prophecies were about the last days / the end of days /time. Mostly all prophecies in the New Testament are for the end of days, in connection with those of the Old Testament.

I can't speak for we but I pay no attention to them.

I don't know of any modern prophecies that brought or brings revelation.

I don't know of any prophecies made today or in these modern days that are genuine. I don't know of any prophecies that the early church made which occurred. But according to scripture genuine prophecies will come again the closer we get to the last days.
Acts 2:17 KJV - And it shall come to pass in the last - Bible Gateway Bible Gateway passage: Acts 2:17 - King James Version
These prophecies of the last days are happening from Old New Testaments only two or three more has to occur.
Daniel 12:4 knowledge increasing and people running to and fro ( look at how technology and people has advanced in the past 100 years) _ Zachariah 14:15 speaks of plagues from animals _ Zechariah 14:12 speaks of flesh being consumed away while one stands on their feet, sounds like nuclear weaponry which man has _ Matthew 24:6 _ 24:7 _ 24:10 _ 24:11_ 24:12 _ Luke 17:28 the days of Lot _ Luke 21:24 Jerusalem trodden of the gentiles _

Can now happen: Revelation 1:7 the world seeing the Lord coming down from the sky can be done television / Internet / cell phones / computers ___ Revelation 13:10 mark of the beast initiated / microchip implants which are being used in some countries for many identification purposes ___ Matthew 24:37 days of Noah in those days was about the angels interfering and mingling with man ____ Matthew 24:14 preaching the gospel to All Nations. The majority of the nations in the world have had the opportunity to hear the gospel many reject it ____ Matthew 24:15 the abomination that maketh desolate, some said it is speaking of Rome but according to verse 22 if Jesus don't cut those days short no flesh would be saved. "No flesh" that's a worldwide event.

That is my understanding and I respect the understanding of others.

Thanks for your input.

Richard T · May 16, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
As I have stated, with the finished canon of Scripture and its sufficiency, I believe there is now no need for prophecy. This position may annoy some, but that is what I believe to be the Biblical position.

Thanks for the reply. The canon was not finalized until the 4th Century. So was prophecy going on up to that point? Even after it was finished it took far longer to translate it into all the various languages. But the real need of prophecy (especially when combined with words of wisdom or knowledge) is that the bible does not say whether you should be a pastor or evangelist, etc. It does not tell you to not go to Jerusalem because you will be harmed there. Hearing and confirming what God wants to say is confidence building. If anything we need to hear what God is saying now first within our personal guidance but once in a while too a confirmation that we are on the right track.

Nearly every Pentecostal I know has had prophecy confirming their ministry. Not all pan out, most are conditional depending on how we conduct ourselves with God's business.

A couple of personal examples include one prophecy in the 80s, where the man said among other things to "keep on walking," then in 2015 or so, in several states away, another man tells me to "keep on walking." The second time was not just a reminder but I instantly bonded with that man, knowing that he could hear from God. Now on the surface this might not mean much to others, but I know what God meant by that. Prophecy can confirm things, it can prepare you for what lies ahead. Sure much if not all of that can be spoken from God in guidance to the individual but sometimes when we still lack confidence or are hesitant, prophecy can set things at ease if it bears witness and try to steal our peace when it does not.
A second word I got started out as a dream of going to a new church. In that dream I saw a pedal steel guitar playing in the service. A month or so later I had moved to a new city. I visited a local church and the service was good. After the service was over, a woman came up to me and told me that she thought I should go to another church. Pretty unusual. So I asked her if the church she was recommending had a pedal steel guitar. Yes, she said. Amazing that now I know for certain that not only my move was correct, but that I found the church God had shown me. On my own it might have been weeks to find the church with the pedal steel guitar, but instead in the first week I was directed to the place God wanted me and was all the more confident in my moving to that city. All made possible in part because a woman gave me a word from God.
The best words are one's that can help God get a sinner's attention. I have seen that, where the person witnessing told the unsaved one something about their life that God wanted them to know. As I mentioned previously Jesus did this with the woman at the well. This is not demonic when the person giving the word is dedicated to God and loves others. It is just a person who is able to hear God for something another needs and has the faith to share it. It is God initiated, though we can pray for it. I do not think that gift has departed. Sure the devil counterfeits it and corrupts it. But that does not nullify that God has the means and in my opinion the desire to help confirm the path and/or encourage others.
There are those that despise prophecy. I do not think that is you or hopefully any reader. Many just think prophecy is no longer needed or valid. Certainly it is not often critical as many Christians have lived their entire lives as great Christians without it. But why did Paul write:
I Thess. 5:19-20 Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings.

To be clear, there are few giving or receiving prophecy very often. It could be less than once a year, and it depends on the church's attitude and the gifting. Those who may operate as a prophet may prophecy or give words in almost very meeting. Some teach that for prophets who would be speakers for various churches: don't always go to a church service and think you are going to prophecy every service. You better be prepared to teach or preach because God can direct in various ways.

In some churches things move along so fast there is not even a chance to exercise in the gifts. Others basically give it no chance and never have open prophecy though a sermon might contain a message from God that is still prophetic. Other churches are receptive and welcoming. They are eager for the gifts of the Spirit to move as God sees fit. We each can have our preferences and still be saved, under the Lordship and gift from Jesus Christ. I would call this a Pentecostal perspective on prophecy, though certainly there are nuances from church to church. Is it really needed? That is up to God. Has prophecy ceased? when and why? To me, if it is from God, it can be quite helpful.

Aussie52 · May 16, 2026

Richard T said:
Thanks for the reply. The canon was not finalized until the 4th Century. So was prophecy going on up to that point? Even after it was finished it took far longer to translate it into all the various languages. But the real need of prophecy (especially when combined with words of wisdom or knowledge) is that the bible does not say whether you should be a pastor or evangelist, etc. It does not tell you to not go to Jerusalem because you will be harmed there. Hearing and confirming what God wants to say is confidence building. If anything we need to hear what God is saying now first within our personal guidance but once in a while too a confirmation that we are on the right track.

Nearly every Pentecostal I know has had prophecy confirming their ministry. Not all pan out, most are conditional depending on how we conduct ourselves with God's business.

A couple of personal examples include one prophecy in the 80s, where the man said among other things to "keep on walking," then in 2015 or so, in several states away, another man tells me to "keep on walking." The second time was not just a reminder but I instantly bonded with that man, knowing that he could hear from God. Now on the surface this might not mean much to others, but I know what God meant by that. Prophecy can confirm things, it can prepare you for what lies ahead. Sure much if not all of that can be spoken from God in guidance to the individual but sometimes when we still lack confidence or are hesitant, prophecy can set things at ease if it bears witness and try to steal our peace when it does not.
A second word I got started out as a dream of going to a new church. In that dream I saw a pedal steel guitar playing in the service. A month or so later I had moved to a new city. I visited a local church and the service was good. After the service was over, a woman came up to me and told me that she thought I should go to another church. Pretty unusual. So I asked her if the church she was recommending had a pedal steel guitar. Yes, she said. Amazing that now I know for certain that not only my move was correct, but that I found the church God had shown me. On my own it might have been weeks to find the church with the pedal steel guitar, but instead in the first week I was directed to the place God wanted me and was all the more confident in my moving to that city. All made possible in part because a woman gave me a word from God.
The best words are one's that can help God get a sinner's attention. I have seen that, where the person witnessing told the unsaved one something about their life that God wanted them to know. As I mentioned previously Jesus did this with the woman at the well. This is not demonic when the person giving the word is dedicated to God and loves others. It is just a person who is able to hear God for something another needs and has the faith to share it. It is God initiated, though we can pray for it. I do not think that gift has departed. Sure the devil counterfeits it and corrupts it. But that does not nullify that God has the means and in my opinion the desire to help confirm the path and/or encourage others.
There are those that despise prophecy. I do not think that is you or hopefully any reader. Many just think prophecy is no longer needed or valid. Certainly it is not often critical as many Christians have lived their entire lives as great Christians without it. But why did Paul write:
I Thess. 5:19-20 Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings.

To be clear, there are few giving or receiving prophecy very often. It could be less than once a year, and it depends on the church's attitude and the gifting. Those who may operate as a prophet may prophecy or give words in almost very meeting. Some teach that for prophets who would be speakers for various churches: don't always go to a church service and think you are going to prophecy every service. You better be prepared to teach or preach because God can direct in various ways.

In some churches things move along so fast there is not even a chance to exercise in the gifts. Others basically give it no chance and never have open prophecy though a sermon might contain a message from God that is still prophetic. Other churches are receptive and welcoming. They are eager for the gifts of the Spirit to move as God sees fit. We each can have our preferences and still be saved, under the Lordship and gift from Jesus Christ. I would call this a Pentecostal perspective on prophecy, though certainly there are nuances from church to church. Is it really needed? That is up to God. Has prophecy ceased? when and why? To me, if it is from God, it can be quite helpful.

Richard, thanks for your post.
One of the underlying assumptions that I see happening in Pentecostal and Charismatic circles, is that the supernatural phenomena that occurs in the Church, is from God. There is no 'testing of spirits'. Prophecies can also be presumptive, coming from the speaker's mind, or worse, clairvoyance and divination.
I do understand your point of view. I was a Prophet in a large Pentecostal denomination for several years. So, I know about so-called prophecy. But I came to time when God opened my eyes to the fact that I was not speaking on His behalf. My prophecies and words of knowledge, that were so accurate, were not from God. I was speaking out of my own spirit, my own mind and I fear, were more psychic than the Spirit of God. I spent a lot of time in repentance and restoration after this realization.
So, having experienced what I did, I see the same thing happening over and over in the Church today.
Blessings.

Hawkins · May 18, 2026

The big picture is;
All humans sinned to their own death, especially true in today's world. In front of Law, no one is righteous not even one. In terms of Law, all humans should have been destroyed by the Flood in Noah's days. It's Jesus who saved the situation. We are now judged in terms of a covenant we are subject to instead of the Judgment of Law.

Since humans (say there are 8 billion of them as we speak) are saved by Faith and Faith alone as specified by the covenant currently in place, God hid Himself from the beginning to define what Faith could mean. Adam sinned in the temporary "absence" of God. That's the quality of Faith humans need to be assessed. Naturally in terms of covenants, human faith (not necessarily that of the prophets though) is defined as the faith required to believe in God and/or Jesus in the "absence" of the true God. God hides His face even to the chosen prophets, as the Faith of the chosen prophets is assessed separately (from usual humans) and proprietarily.

The basic constrain is that, if God shows up publicly He invalidated the Faith humans require to be savable at all. However if He doesn't show up to any human at all, no man can get to know what Law and covenants are and how to be qualified to be saved. The only way which is viable is for God to show up only to His chosen prophets then for testimonies to be written down and for the rest of humankind to believe the testimonies with faith.

Under this constrain of Faith, God showed that He's God but not humans by doing two things which humans are incapable of doing. They are, 1) to tell a future, and 2) to break the physics governing of living environment, that is performing miracles. God not only shows His ability to tell a future and to perform miracles in front of the chosen prophets, but also enables the prophets to prophesy and to perform miracles as well, such that God's chosen people Israel can reckon them as the prophets such that their testimonies are written down as the Word of God. The primary purposes of prophecies and miracles serve the purpose of communication for a theology of salvation to be formed along humanity (the Jews' history).

This also says, if God has a message which needs to be written down and to be formally conveyed, He needs the prophet to be reckoned either by Israel or by the Church through publicly performed miracles or publicly announced prophecies. If there's nothing needed to be added to the Holy Bible then this step can be skipped. It by no means says that He no longer sends eyewitnesses to testify God's works and efforts put forward on Earth, it only says that this kind of witnessing doesn't need to be formally written down to form part of the Holy Bible. God may still send prophets as His chosen eyewitnesses all the times when He sees fit, through prophecies and miracles for the chosen prophets/eyewitnesses to reckon, though it's no longer a need to enable the prophets/witnesses to perform miracles or to tell the future for their testimonies to be formally written down. To put it another way, the same old same, God first proves Himself by means of prophecies and miracles for His prophets to reckon Him without ambiguity (still Faith is to be assessed proprietarily, Job and Abraham and etc. are in this category of proprietary).

Paul actually sets the standard (NT) on how it works.

Acts 9:4-6
He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"
"Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied.
"Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."

God/Jesus proves Himself to Paul first before any communication which "will be told what you must do" later.

Acts 9:17-18
Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord--Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here--has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul's eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,

Nothing is ambiguous, things physically realized as foretold.

Then Paul put;
2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

Paul's Faith is not spared from being assessed, it's tested separately and proprietarily though, as a chosen Apostle/prophet/eyewitness.

Richard T · May 18, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
Richard, thanks for your post.
One of the underlying assumptions that I see happening in Pentecostal and Charismatic circles, is that the supernatural phenomena that occurs in the Church, is from God. There is no 'testing of spirits'. Prophecies can also be presumptive, coming from the speaker's mind, or worse, clairvoyance and divination.
I do understand your point of view. I was a Prophet in a large Pentecostal denomination for several years. So, I know about so-called prophecy. But I came to time when God opened my eyes to the fact that I was not speaking on His behalf. My prophecies and words of knowledge, that were so accurate, were not from God. I was speaking out of my own spirit, my own mind and I fear, were more psychic than the Spirit of God. I spent a lot of time in repentance and restoration after this realization.
So, having experienced what I did, I see the same thing happening over and over in the Church today.
Blessings.

Thanks for sharing. I have nothing but respect for your own experience and would even like to learn from it. So how did God open your eyes that you were wrong? Was there any fruit from the things that you said to others? Was there anything unscriptural? I do believe you are right about the testing and accountability. I think similarly as you I think about how words can originate, from the flesh, from the demonic, and from the Holy Spirit. Making things even harder one could start in the Spirit, and continue on in the flesh. I was taught that this occurs pretty often. One reason I hate many prophetic youtube videos is that they are an hour long, just to hear a bit of what God is leading them too. Plus, you may not even be able to know for certain where the prophecy starts and stops and the "teaching" begins. So yes, there are serious problems but there is a chance to me of the genuine prophetic word. I look forward to your experience and points on the gift.

Aussie52 · May 18, 2026

My journey back to spiritual sanity was long and arduous, so I'll try and keep it short.
After 20 years as a Pentecostal and 7 as a Minister, I left the movement after being the victim of spiritual abuse by leadership, and my disgust at the 'Toronto Blessing' that was sweeping through the Churches.
Family and I started worshiping with the local Anglicans who were not evangelical but on the liberal side theologically. Over a period of time, this liberal environment eroded my confidence in the Bible as the Word of God. I became overwhelmed with doubt and uncertain about spiritual things in general. It came to a crisis when I cried out to God in my darkness, for I felt like I was on an abyss about to fall into nothingness.
In my despair God brought to my mind the words of Jesus, 'repent and do the first works'. I believed this to be a call to return to the conservative evangelical fold of my first years as a Christian. So, I found a good evangelical church and started to re-evaluate my life and beliefs. Over a period of time, I studied the work of the Holy Spirit from Scripture and read widely from conservative evangelical authors. One book that greatly helped me was Thomas Edgar's 'Miraculous Gifts-are they for today?'

Over a period of time, I came to see from Scripture that,
* New Testament speaking in tongues were human languages unknown to the speaker. Not heavenly or angelic languages.
* All the New Testament gifts of revelation, prophecy, words of knowledge & wisdom ceased with the coming of God's final & complete revelation, completed canon of Scripture.
* The sign gifts of healings, miracles, and faith which were used to confirm the ministries of Apostles & Prophets in the Early Church had ceased.
*That the office of Apostle & Prophet were foundational ministries and now no longer existed Eph 2:20.

The realization of the above truths led me to see that I did not have a New Testament gift of tongues but had practiced 'free vocalization' instead.
Also, that I had not been mistaken about my prophetic ministry, it had not been inspired by the Holy Spirit but rather had other sources.
This led me to repentance and a renunciation of my past practices. No always easy to admit you have been wrong.
There you have it.
Blessings.

RandyPNW · May 24, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
I would like to discuss the subject of 'Prophets & Prophecy'.
What is a prophet in Scripture?
A Prophet was someone chosen by God to receive divine revelation and communicate it to others. They functioned as intermediaries between God and humankind. They received messages through various means including visions, dreams, direct inspiration from God, and symbolic actions. The message of the Prophet was both forthtelling and foretelling.
What is prophecy in Scripture?
In very simple terms, Biblical prophecy is God speaking through a person. It is essentially Spirit inspired communication- God revealing something to a person (the prophet) who then speaks it out to others.

Prophecy is to be evaluated, to test the genuineness of the prophetic word.
1. It was of God if it came to pass. Deut 18:22.
2. It should not cause people to depart from God. Deut 13:1-3.
3. Prophecy is to be judged 1 Cor 14:29, 1 Jn 4:1.

Questions to consider.

1. It is commonly taught by some that there is a difference between Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Prophets, and how they function. Can this be validated from Scripture or not?
2.There are many who claim to be prophets today. Is there any Scriptural proof for this claim or not?
3. Is prophecy in the New Testament the same as the Old Testament or not?
4. How do we view modern day so-called prophecy that often, does not come to pass, is often at variance with Scripture, and goes unjudged?
5. How can the idea of modern prophecy that brings 'revelation' be reconciled with the closed canon of Scriptural revelation?
6. Is there genuine prophecy happening today or did it cease with the early church?

Please discuss your thoughts.

I'm certainly not dogmatic about this, but here is my current opinion. OT Prophets are used in the category of "biblical prophets." We know there were other prophets in the OT era who did not write entire books of the Bible. And so, when we speak of the OT Prophets we are quite often speaking of Isaiah through Malachi, or likely include certain standout biblical prophets like Elijah, Elisha, and John the Baptist.

But there were many other less-identified prophets in the OT era, and they were much like NT prophets. In the NT Bible, however, we have the Apostle John, who was yet another Biblical Prophet. We distinguish Biblical Prophets who wrote books because their writings became Scripture, which is essentially trustworthy for doctrine and faith. Other prophets are known to show their imperfections, even though the Biblical Prophets showed their own imperfections, as well. The big difference, again, is that the Biblical Prophets provided in their writings reliable doctrine.

I don't think prophets today are always perfect, but can reflect their human imperfections by misreading what God is saying, at times. What makes them genuine prophets to me is when they give vey accurate predictions that appear to be beyond human capacity to generate.

It is often said that any prophet who gives an inaccurate prophecy should be exposed as a False Prophet. But I don't think that's what the OT Law intended to say. It was suggesting that prophets who mislead people into following another god will not produce accurate guidance and should be exposed as heretical. All prophets are capable of error at times. Only the Biblical Prophets were guided to avoid theological errors and bad guidance completely.

Aussie52 · May 24, 2026

RandyPNW said:
I'm certainly not dogmatic about this, but here is my current opinion. OT Prophets are used in the category of "biblical prophets." We know there were other prophets in the OT era who did not write entire books of the Bible. And so, when we speak of the OT Prophets we are quite often speaking of Isaiah through Malachi, or likely include certain standout biblical prophets like Elijah, Elisha, and John the Baptist.

But there were many other less-identified prophets in the OT era, and they were much like NT prophets. In the NT Bible, however, we have the Apostle John, who was yet another Biblical Prophet. We distinguish Biblical Prophets who wrote books because their writings became Scripture, which is essentially trustworthy for doctrine and faith. Other prophets are known to show their imperfections, even though the Biblical Prophets showed their own imperfections, as well. The big difference, again, is that the Biblical Prophets provided in their writings reliable doctrine.

I don't think prophets today are always perfect, but can reflect their human imperfections by misreading what God is saying, at times. What makes them genuine prophets to me is when they give vey accurate predictions that appear to be beyond human capacity to generate.

It is often said that any prophet who gives an inaccurate prophecy should be exposed as a False Prophet. But I don't think that's what the OT Law intended to say. It was suggesting that prophets who mislead people into following another god will not produce accurate guidance and should be exposed as heretical. All prophets are capable of error at times. Only the Biblical Prophets were guided to avoid theological errors and bad guidance completely.

Your last paragraph is very questionable. The OT definitely tells us that if a prophet gives a false prediction, they are false prophets. The prophets in both OT & NT spoke under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and were free from error. There are not two types of true prophets in Scripture, one's without error and others that are 'capable of error'.
I also do not believe there are true prophets today. Eph 2:20 tells us that the ministry of the Prophet was 'foundational'. Once a structure (Church) is erected, there is no need to re-build a foundation again. The Church no longer needs prophetic revelation in the person of prophets as we have God's final revelation in the completed canon of Scripture

Matt5 · May 24, 2026

One prophet's warning saved many thousands:

Escape the Armenian Genocide | Christian Forums

From the original article:

The legend has it that in the 1850s, an 11-year-old Efil Klubnikin penned an apocalyptic forecast despite being apparently illiterate.

'Those who believe in this will go on a journey to a far land, while the unbelievers will remain in place,' the boy prophesied. 'Our people will go on a long journey over the great and deep waters...people from all countries will go there.

'There will be a great war. All kings will shed blood like great rivers. Two steamships will leave to cross the impassable ocean.'

In the first years of the 20th century, Efim renewed the warning that he made to stunned believers in Karakale as a child, saying his premonition was now coming to pass.

'Efim called a meeting, he invited the elders from all the Molokan villages including the two elders of the Armenian Molokan church. He prophesied this was the time for them to leave Russia as there were terrible times coming, especially for the Armenians,' said Ms Keosababian-Bivin.

What about today?

I believe the same threat exists today for America, but I'm not a prophet. It won't take much to set things off.

Matthew 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, ... .

A Model for End-Time Events | Christian Forums

Will we see a prophet warning of a big war?

johansen · May 24, 2026

Richard T said:
The OT prophets were God's spokesmen for the nations

Only the ones we know about, because they got the most attention.

The 100 prophets that either Elijah or Jeremiah hid in a cave and provided food for during the days of jezebel.. we have no record of what made them a prophet.

Elisha did some very interesting perhaps scandalous things for the time, laying on top of a dead child to bring it back to life for example. Or floating an axe head out of the water, showing God cares about our extremely valuable tools and necessary possessions.

the widow who couldn't pay her debt. lets not forget her debt should have been written off a long time ago, so God sends a prophet as an example of righteousness. he doesn't send a self help guru to get her estate/farm/household back in profitability.

Jeff Carr said:
1. It is commonly taught by some that there is a difference between Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Prophets, and how they function. Can this be validated from Scripture or not?

I don't believe it can, other than you can argue that God is finished speaking publicly, which i tend to believe may be true.

with regard to my own personal experiences, my wife recently told me that a demon has stolen the faith of "these people" regarding a specific Indian reservation
I have since sensed a principality over western Washington that doesn't want me here, and from what little i can pickup on at the moment, it has something to do with the native American tribes, our miss treatment of them, and our continued miss treatment of them with regard to their casinos which is unrighteous wealth, hence they stay effectively cursed, even though the money is good.

I've had repeated thoughts come to mind for the last 5 years to attempt to see if a door can be opened in a specific local reservation, to speak to the tribal elders and ask them to consider more intentional investigative prayer on what they need to do differently to get rid of a significant number of problems... so for example, if they could convince a portion of their tribe to have nothing to do with the unrightous mammon, would God bless that portion of the community. i suspect so.

but, would me being able to initiate such a thing make me a prophet.. not really. and i suppose it could be accomplished without me bringing up christianity, or their faiths at all. just a lot of work to have hard conversation about what is actually good for humans... is it good to profit off of someone elses' gambling addiction and take advantage of an entire state's or federal government rules and regulations laws regarding profiting off of gambling? of course not.

Richard T · May 24, 2026

johansen said:
Only the ones we know about, because they got the most attention.

The 100 prophets that either Elijah or Jeremiah hid in a cave and provided food for during the days of jezebel.. we have no record of what made them a prophet.

Elisha did some very interesting perhaps scandalous things for the time, laying on top of a dead child to bring it back to life for example. Or floating an axe head out of the water, showing God cares about our extremely valuable tools and necessary possessions.

the widow who couldn't pay her debt. lets not forget her debt should have been written off a long time ago, so God sends a prophet as an example of righteousness. he doesn't send a self help guru to get her estate/farm/household back in profitability.

I don't believe it can, other than you can argue that God is finished speaking publicly, which i tend to believe may be true.

with regard to my own personal experiences, my wife recently told me that a demon has stolen the faith of "these people" regarding a specific Indian reservation
I have since sensed a principality over western Washington that doesn't want me here, and from what little i can pickup on at the moment, it has something to do with the native American tribes, our miss treatment of them, and our continued miss treatment of them with regard to their casinos which is unrighteous wealth, hence they stay effectively cursed, even though the money is good.

I've had repeated thoughts come to mind for the last 5 years to attempt to see if a door can be opened in a specific local reservation, to speak to the tribal elders and ask them to consider more intentional investigative prayer on what they need to do differently to get rid of a significant number of problems... so for example, if they could convince a portion of their tribe to have nothing to do with the unrightous mammon, would God bless that portion of the community. i suspect so.

but, would me being able to initiate such a thing make me a prophet.. not really. and i suppose it could be accomplished without me bringing up christianity, or their faiths at all. just a lot of work to have hard conversation about what is actually good for humans... is it good to profit off of someone elses' gambling addiction and take advantage of an entire state's or federal government rules and regulations laws regarding profiting off of gambling? of course not.

You bring up a good point of other prophets that we know very little about. Perhaps there is a glimpse in King Saul's life before he was a prophet. First, the servant suggested they see a prophet. So such individual seeking must have been fairly common. Secondly, we see Saul prophesying with a group of prophets. There is no mention though that I recall what these prophets were actually prophesying about? It reinforces your point thought that not all were like Samuel or Elijah. It is interesting though that in Romans 12:6 "Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;"

Some might see that as only prophesying what God tells you. It too though seems based on how much faith do you have? It takes alot of faith to step in front of a crowd, to think even that God could use you for something important. It takes faith to do what Elijah did. It takes faith too press into God and get as much and as deep of information as possible. I believe the faith in part comes not just by the word but by allowing the Holy Spirit to train you in the gifts. David did not just fight Goliath cold turkey. God built his faith when he killed bears and had earlier exercises. Any of God's gifts and graces are similar, that the Holy Spirit trains a person (Sometimes privately) enlarging their faith as they step out and are successful.

Some however, pretend to have such faith (at least part of the time), like prophesying covid would end soon, or declaring hurricanes or tornadoes to be gone but obviously they did not hear from God and it was not faith but wishful thinking. We learn from our shortcomings too and hopefully do not repeat them.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts about a tribe in Western Washington. Sometimes you can learn something but have no means to take it further at least yet. I know some ministers a couple of states over that concentrated on working with tribes to fight off suicides. My understanding is that they did get the rates down. Pray about the path if any, you can take with your nearby tribe. Perhaps visit a reservation church sometime, or find other ministers that are working with them? Of the tribes I know that have casinos, I do not think they would be receptive to end their casinos. Still, individual families who hear the gospel and learn the word well can break themselves off from the devil because whom the son sets free is free indeed. God bless and enlarge you and your wife's outreach, witness, and revelations to others.

Blueprints · May 24, 2026

Jeff Carr said:
I would like to discuss the subject of 'Prophets & Prophecy'.
What is a prophet in Scripture?
A Prophet was someone chosen by God to receive divine revelation and communicate it to others. They functioned as intermediaries between God and humankind. They received messages through various means including visions, dreams, direct inspiration from God, and symbolic actions. The message of the Prophet was both forthtelling and foretelling.
What is prophecy in Scripture?
In very simple terms, Biblical prophecy is God speaking through a person. It is essentially Spirit inspired communication- God revealing something to a person (the prophet) who then speaks it out to others.

Prophecy is to be evaluated, to test the genuineness of the prophetic word.
1. It was of God if it came to pass. Deut 18:22.
2. It should not cause people to depart from God. Deut 13:1-3.
3. Prophecy is to be judged 1 Cor 14:29, 1 Jn 4:1.

Questions to consider.

1. It is commonly taught by some that there is a difference between Old Testament Prophets and New Testament Prophets, and how they function. Can this be validated from Scripture or not?
2.There are many who claim to be prophets today. Is there any Scriptural proof for this claim or not?
3. Is prophecy in the New Testament the same as the Old Testament or not?
4. How do we view modern day so-called prophecy that often, does not come to pass, is often at variance with Scripture, and goes unjudged?
5. How can the idea of modern prophecy that brings 'revelation' be reconciled with the closed canon of Scriptural revelation?
6. Is there genuine prophecy happening today or did it cease with the early church?

Please discuss your thoughts.

Maybe this will help a bit - https://archive.org/details/the-spirit-of-prophecy-by-brother-aaron-earnest If not, let me know.

Questions About Prophets & Prophecy.

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