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Trump admin. concedes Maryland man from El Salvador was mistakenly deported/sent to mega prison - shrugs 'nothing can be done' [ETA: oh but it can!]

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Trump, before the election, promised that if he regained power, he would use it to go after people he didn't like. One of the few times he wasn't lying.


Trump Vowed To Go After Political Rivals If Re Elected


Trump says he would have "every right to go after" political enemies if elected


He really believes that a president has the right to weaponize government against anyone he hates.
The articles seem like fake news to me. I don't see it in what Trump said. Give us a quotation in full context, not just two or three words, where Trump said he would use power to go after people he didn't like.
 
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The articles seem like fake news to me. I don't see it in what Trump said. Give us a quotation in full context, not just two or three words, where Trump said he would use power to go after people he didn't like.
Same link:

"If I happen to be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say go down and indict them, mostly they would be out of business. They’d be out.”

Now tell us that you agree that he said it.
 
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Indeed, the Trump administration prefers to deport illegals rather than prosecute them here to save the taxpayers money. People need to start focusing on and remembering the victims of human trafficking.

Any guesses on how of our tax dollars were used to prosecute this one man? It's easily six figures if not seven.
 
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The articles seem like fake news to me.
If you think Forbes and Axios are purveyors of "fake news", we've found the problem. Not everyone in MAGA says that everyone else is lying, but we see it a lot.
 
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Its funny that as the truth comes out, it appears that the man not only received the due process he deserved, but he actually was an MS13 gang member. Once again, the media lied.
It's funny now that charges have been dismissed, to learn that Garcia was innocent the whole time and that Trump and his supporters were lying.
The Trump administration wrote in its legal filing, that the "issue was actually litigated and decided in his bond hearing in 2019. IJ Order 2–3 ('Respondent failed to meet his burden of demonstrating that his release from custody would not pose a danger to others, as the evidence shows that he is a verified member of MS-13' and he 'has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.'). See attached file.
All charges dismissed, because Trump was lying again.

Will Trump be apologizing? Will his supporters?
 
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It's funny now that charges have been dismissed, to learn that Garcia was innocent the whole time and that Trump and his supporters were lying.

All charges dismissed, because Trump was lying again.

Will Trump be apologizing? Will his supporters?
Will Garcia be putting in a claim for slush fund money?
 
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It's funny now that charges have been dismissed, to learn that Garcia was innocent the whole time and that Trump and his supporters were lying.

All charges dismissed, because Trump was lying again.

Will Trump be apologizing? Will his supporters?
This was another rogue Obama judge who likely will be overruled. This is the two-tiered justice system I have posted about. Garcia illegally entered our country a long time ago, as I recall 2011 or thereabouts. He was stopped for speeding, and did not have a valid driver's license. There were ten or so people he was hauling in the car, they had no luggage, all the same address as I recall. Garcia had $1400 in cash and had mentioned he would be going back to Nashville the next week. The FBI told the state troopers to let him go. Speeding and no valid license alone would be enough for an American citizen to expect to at least get ticketed. Again people, what about the victims of human trafficking?
 
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This was another rogue Obama judge who likely will be overruled. This is the two-tiered justice system I have posted about. Garcia illegally entered our country a long time ago, as I recall 2011 or thereabouts. He was stopped for speeding, and did not have a valid driver's license. There were ten or so people he was hauling in the car, they had no luggage, all the same address as I recall. Garcia had $1400 in cash and had mentioned he would be going back to Nashville the next week. The FBI told the state troopers to let him go. Speeding and no valid license alone would be enough for an American citizen to expect to at least get ticketed. Again people, what about the victims of human trafficking?
Double-jeopardy may attach.
 
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Same link:

"If I happen to be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say go down and indict them, mostly they would be out of business. They’d be out.”

Now tell us that you agree that he said it.
Listen to the interview in context: Trump was discussing what COULD happen if the opposing party used the tactics of weaponization that had been used against him and his supporters:

Enrique Acevedo 00:09:55-00:10:01 (6 sec)


You say they've weaponized the Justice Department, they weaponized the FBI. Would you do the same if you're reelected?



Donald Trump 00:10:01-00:10:20 (19 sec)



Well, he's unleashed something that everyone we've all known about this for a hundred years. We've watched other countries do it and, in some cases, effective and in other cases, the country's overthrown or it's been totally ineffective. But we've watched this for a long time, and it's not unique, but it's unique for the United States.




Donald Trump 00:10:20-00:10:38 (18 sec)



Yeah. If they do this and they've already done it, but if they want to follow through on this, yeah, it could certainly happen in reverse. It could certainly happen in reverse. What they've done is they've released the genie out of the box. You understand that They've done something that nobody thought would happen.



Donald Trump 00:10:38-00:10:59 (21 sec)



They've taken a president who is very popular. I got 75 million votes, much more than that. I believe no president's ever got that many votes and they've taken that number of people. And I think you can double it or almost you can triple it in terms of the real the feeling. You can't do that. You can't go after people.


Donald Trump 00:10:59-00:11:16 (17 sec)



You know, when you're president and you've done a good job and you're popular, you don't go after them so you can win an election. They've made indictments in order to win an election. They call it weaponization, and the people aren't going to stand for it. But yeah, they have done something that allows the next party.


Donald Trump 00:11:16-00:11:35 (19 sec)



I mean, if someone if I happen to be president and I see someone who's doing well and beating me very badly, I say go down and indict them. Mostly what that would be, you know, they would be out of business. They'd be out they'd be out of the election. In my case, it was there were such pathetic indictments.

 
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Double-jeopardy may attach.
Double jeopardy--the government being unable to charge someone for the same crime a second time--only applies after being actually put on trial. Anything that stops a prosecution prior to a trial (dismissal by a judge, a grand jury refusing to indict, the prosecution deciding to drop the case, etc.) doesn't create double jeopardy and the government can, if it fixes whatever caused them to not go to trial, prosecute someone for it again.
 
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This was another rogue Obama judge who likely will be overruled. This is the two-tiered justice system I have posted about. Garcia illegally entered our country a long time ago, as I recall 2011 or thereabouts.
All charges were dropped because he's innocent and Trump was lying.
He was stopped for speeding, and did not have a valid driver's license. There were ten or so people he was hauling in the car, they had no luggage, all the same address as I recall. Garcia had $1400 in cash and had mentioned he would be going back to Nashville the next week. The FBI told the state troopers to let him go. Speeding and no valid license alone would be enough for an American citizen to expect to at least get ticketed. Again people, what about the victims of human trafficking?
There were no such victims, and that's why charges were dropped.

Trump and his supporters are lying.
 
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All charges were dropped because he's innocent and Trump was lying.

There were no such victims, and that's why charges were dropped.

Trump and his supporters are lying.
Trump opponents also maintained the border was safe, secure, and closed.
 
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Listen to the interview in context:
I think that everyone was astounded that you needed an example. You were given one. Then you said no, I need a quote. So you were given one. And you still refuse to accept it.

The context is that Trump is a petty individual who has less maturity than my 5 year old grandson.
 
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I think that everyone was astounded that you needed an example. You were given one. Then you said no, I need a quote. So you were given one. And you still refuse to accept it.

The context is that Trump is a petty individual who has less maturity than my 5 year old grandson.
I accept it, it just doesn't say what people, including the media with those fake headlines, want to pretend it says. As to people being astounded, that saddens me. They hear the same old trashing of Trump so much that many don't bother to check out the facts for themselves.
 
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I accept it, it just doesn't say what people, including the media with those fake headlines, want to pretend it says.
This is the man. This is who he is. He exhibits it on a daily basis. It's there for all to see. The 'context' that you talk about is a situation where he literally can do no wrong in some people's eyes. That is not natural. It's also actually impossible. It's literally not possible for any leader to make decisions that will keep all of his or her supporters happy all the time. It's the very nature of politics. And I've given very many examples from UK and Australian politics.

Do you really think that everyone, even within a political party, agrees with every decision that the leader of that party makes? Or agrees with every detail of every policy that the party espouses? Or is convinced that the head honcho can do no wrong? You can't, you really can't because you really do know that it's literally not possible. But that's the position you exhibit on every single thread about Trump.

It's like you come late into a discussion and you realise it's about Trump and you immediately say 'Well, I think he's absolutely right'. But you have no idea what the discussion is about. That he is right is your very first go-to position. What he's done, how he's done it, why he's done it, what the results will be, what impact it will have, the morality of the decision...all of it is irrelevant to you. He's right. And you'll then waste your time time bending and twisting cherry picked facts and opinions to post-justify your statement.

And his undeniable acts of retribution are just a small subsection of what he's done. And we're not talking of a few whereby you could mount some sort of weak defence. We're not even into double figures, or even dozens. It runs into the hundreds.

From here: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-retribution-tracker/

'Reuters documented at least 470 targets of retribution under Trump’s leadership – from federal employees and prosecutors to universities and media outlets. The list illuminates the sweeping effort by the president and his administration to punish dissent and reshape the government.'

It's not possible to discount that many and deny that that's what he's doing. So...you'll then need to head onto Option 2: 'It's fake news'. Deny the facts. Say it's simply opinion. Put it down to TDS. Brilliant move! You don't even have to address them! It's all a conspiracy!

There is always someone in charge, somewhere, who is considered to be incapable of doing no wrong. And they have led and are leading countries that you wouldn't even want to visit, let alone live. Your world, the one that you live in (and I don't in any way consider it to be the real world) is somewhere exactly like that.
 
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Trump opponents also maintained the border was safe, secure, and closed.
Yes, I forgot Option 3: Deflection.

Hmm. No victims. Trump was lying. Case dismissed. Gosh, what do I do? Ah, yes: 'Look! Over there! A pigeon*!'

* 'A pigeon' is obviously a place holder for...well, literally anything at all that's not directly connected to the matter in hand.
 
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This is the man. This is who he is. He exhibits it on a daily basis. It's there for all to see. The 'context' that you talk about is a situation where he literally can do no wrong in some people's eyes. That is not natural. It's also actually impossible. It's literally not possible for any leader to make decisions that will keep all of his or her supporters happy all the time. It's the very nature of politics. And I've given very many examples from UK and Australian politics.

Do you really think that everyone, even within a political party, agrees with every decision that the leader of that party makes? Or agrees with every detail of every policy that the party espouses? Or is convinced that the head honcho can do no wrong? You can't, you really can't because you really do know that it's literally not possible. But that's the position you exhibit on every single thread about Trump.

It's like you come late into a discussion and you realise it's about Trump and you immediately say 'Well, I think he's absolutely right'. But you have no idea what the discussion is about. That he is right is your very first go-to position. What he's done, how he's done it, why he's done it, what the results will be, what impact it will have, the morality of the decision...all of it is irrelevant to you. He's right. And you'll then waste your time time bending and twisting cherry picked facts and opinions to post-justify your statement.

And his undeniable acts of retribution are just a small subsection of what he's done. And we're not talking of a few whereby you could mount some sort of weak defence. We're not even into double figures, or even dozens. It runs into the hundreds.

From here: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-retribution-tracker/

'Reuters documented at least 470 targets of retribution under Trump’s leadership – from federal employees and prosecutors to universities and media outlets. The list illuminates the sweeping effort by the president and his administration to punish dissent and reshape the government.'

It's not possible to discount that many and deny that that's what he's doing. So...you'll then need to head onto Option 2: 'It's fake news'. Deny the facts. Say it's simply opinion. Put it down to TDS. Brilliant move! You don't even have to address them! It's all a conspiracy!

There is always someone in charge, somewhere, who is considered to be incapable of doing no wrong. And they have led and are leading countries that you wouldn't even want to visit, let alone live. Your world, the one that you live in (and I don't in any way consider it to be the real world) is somewhere exactly like that.
Our country saw massive numbers of attacks against Trump, his families, and those who support him. Disaster aid was not given to families in need because of Trump signs in their yards. Traditional Catholics were targeted. Government employees used taxpayer paid for resources to spread false stories about Trump. New York Attorney General Letitia James CAMPAIGNED on getting Trump. Trump, when he was the leading presidential candidate in our country, was put under a gag order. I have posted a lot about the two-tiered justice system, here Black Lives Matter was allowed to block a freeway and destroy a police station because of their politics while pro-lifers have been jailed for praying. Now how dare Trump even speak about using the same tactics many Democrats have used. That those who have political views opposite of Trump are starting to be held accountable, such as those involved in the Minnesota fraud, seems to outrage many.
 
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