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God's appointed times and days! (Leviticus 23) Parasha: "Emor"

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Leviticus 23: God's special appointed times.

This chapter falls under the weekly Torah/Bible study portion named "Emor" (spoke). God is speaking to Moses, giving him instructions to the people of Israel. They have left Egypt. They have received the Commandments at Mt. Sinai and have been united as a "One Holy People" (Am Echad). These instructions started with the 12 Tribes of Israel plus the mixed multitude that joined Israel. Now, all who have embraced Yeshua/Jesus as LORD and Savior are part of the extended Community of Israel. As grafted-in believers, we have the privilege to celebrate these special appointed times that God has given us. Some call them "Jewish Holidays," yet God calls them "His holidays" (Holy Days)

"Tell the people of Israel, the designated times of Adonai which you are to proclaim as Holy Convocations are MY designated times>"

Chap 23:3 The “Sabbath Day,” which is a “day of rest,” a time of worship and coming together to worship Adonai and learn from HIS Word through His teachers, pastors, rabbis, evangelists, etc. There is much disagreement among mainstream Christianity, but the truth of the matter is that the Sabbath day was NEVER changed to Sunday. Not that it was bad to come together on Sundays, as any day of the week is a good time to come together. It just became customary for the believers in the first century to come together on the “first day of the week” as mentioned in Acts, to fellowship and eat together, but the believers ALWAYS considered Saturday, the Sabbath, the special and the officially appointed day for rest, worship, and Bible study. So, instead of a change, one more day was added; the first day of the week, to honor the resurrection of Messiah Yeshua, to come together, break bread, and fellowship, and learn from scripture like all churches do today.

23:5 The Passover and days of unleavened bread symbolize Messiah Yeshua in our lives as the “Lamb of God” who took away the sin of the world. He was the "substitute lambs" whose blood was smeared on the doorposts of the houses in Goshen, where the Angel of Death "passed over" and death did not come to the firstborns. He is also the “Bread of Life”, who was “roasted in the fires of judgment for our sins, whose blood was shed for our sins, once and for ever. The “matzah” bread without leaven symbolizes Yeshua as the Bread of Life, without sin (leaven). And his blood is symbolized by the wine.

23:10 The Feast of First Fruits and Shavuot; counting 50 days from the time of Passover, to celebrate the blessing of a good and fruitful harvest of grains (wheat and barley, the main crops). Just as a seed needs to die and be buried in the ground to "spring up and blossom," thus Yeshua was the "firstfruits" of resurrection. He died, was buried (placed in a tomb), and rose from the dead on the third day. On Shavuot or “Pentecost,” two leavened loaves of bread were made, each weighing about 5 pounds, and were “waved” by the priest before the LORD in a special ceremony.

These loaves symbolize the blessings of YHVH, they could also represent Israel and the Nations, “2” is the number of “unity” and “division” we are all “united” to YHVH by Messiah Yeshua and have been “divided” or “separated” from the lost world of sin, YET, we still have our sin nature, noted by the leaven in the loaves of bread. It was also on “Shavuot” that the Torah was given on Mt. Sinai. It is known as the "Feast of Weeks" or in Greek "Pentecost". As we remember from Acts 2, this was the time that the Holy Spirit was poured out on those gathered in Jerusalem. They were there as they had been accustomed to doing for the past 1,450 years. What was "new" on Pentecost day was the pouring out of the Spirit, which had never happened before. Yeshua spoke about sending the "comforter," who would take his "physical" place on Earth. Every believer has the Holy Spirit living inside his or her body, something unimaginable in the time of Moses.

23:23 The Feast of Trumpets, “Yom Teruah,” symbolizes the start of the “days of Awe” when we reflect on our own relationship with Adonai. How do we measure up to God’s standards? Lacking? Fall short? I would say YES. The time of "blowing the trumpets or shofars" is a "wakeup call," one could say. Like John the Baptist, " who proclaimed: "' Repent and prepare the Way of the LORD. 10 days later comes “Yom Kippur,” the day of “covering” or “Atonement,” which was when the high priest came into the Holy of Holies, once a year, to commune with Adonai. This day points to Calvary, when Yeshua’s blood “atoned” for our sins, past, present, and future. It is a day of fasting, repentance, and soul searching. It is a day when we are accustomed to dressing in white.

23:33: The Feast of Tabernacles, or "Sukkot," is a joyous festival, when the “harvest” is in, kind of like Thanksgiving in the USA. This was the time when God came to earth in human form as Yeshua, born in Bethlehem (Beit Lechem), "The House of Bread", being raised as a craftsman and a teacher of Torah, a healer of diseases, a raiser of the dead, and a sacrifice for our sins. This festivity was for 7 days, “7” the perfect number, and a special “8th” day, “Hoshanah Raba”, when the customary reading of the Torah starts over again from Genesis. It also symbolizes when the Israelites lived in tents, “temporary dwellings,” as our bodies are “temporary dwellings” for our souls and for the Holy Spirit dwelling within us.

Chapter 24: The Menorah, the lamps were lit from dusk to morning, the menorah was made of gold, which symbolizes perfection. The flame/light symbolizing Yeshua, who is the “Light of the World” and the “all-consuming fire,” and also, all believers are the “lights of the world” reflecting the SON light! We can look at the oil inside the lamps on the Menorah as the Holy Spirit. We are the wicks, and we need to stay in contact with the Holy Spirit in order to "shine brightly".

The“Table of Shewbread,” which was in the Holy place across from the Menorah, had 12 loaves of unleavened bread, representing the 12 tribes of Israel, again, Yeshua the “Bread of Life.” So, we need to celebrate these days that the LORD God has separated and has included all of us as participants, so we can "shine" as the "lights of the World" reflecting Yeshua who is also the "Bread of Life".

Have a blessed week.
 

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Is the word "Sabbath" in Leviticus 23:16 a Feast Day Sabbath which is a "date" or is it a 7th day Sabbath which is a "day" of the week?
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
 
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Is the word "Sabbath" in Leviticus 23:16 a Feast Day Sabbath which is a "date" or is it a 7th day Sabbath which is a "day" of the week?
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

There is disagreement as to which one it is. Go with whatever understanding makes most sense to you.
 
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There is disagreement as to which one it is. Go with whatever understanding makes most sense to you.
It isn't that difficult to figure out. In that verse the word "Sabbath" has to be a 7th day Sabbath. There are no Feast Day Sabbaths on the day prior to Pentecost. That means that the first day of the Omer is a Sunday. This year Pentecost will begin at sunset on Saturday, May 23 (Sivan 8) and last until sunset on Sunday, May 24. The Jews and several other Messianics will be observing Sivan 6, contrary to Leviticus 23:16.
 
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It isn't that difficult to figure out. In that verse the word "Sabbath" has to be a 7th day Sabbath. There are no Feast Day Sabbaths on the day prior to Pentecost. That means that the first day of the Omer is a Sunday. This year Pentecost will begin at sunset on Saturday, May 23 (Sivan 8) and last until sunset on Sunday, May 24. The Jews and several other Messianics will be observing Sivan 6, contrary to Leviticus 23:16.

If you already know the answer to your question, why are you even posing it here? :scratch:
 
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If you already know the answer to your question, why are you even posing it here? :scratch:
I posted this because I want to see why and how so many come up with a different date. So far no one can explain the reason why. Do you have the answer?
 
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Is the word "Sabbath" in Leviticus 23:16 a Feast Day Sabbath which is a "date" or is it a 7th day Sabbath which is a "day" of the week?
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

It would be the morrow after the next weekly Sabbath, following the Last Day of Unleavened Bread. The "morrow" after the 7th Sabbath would be the 21st of June, this year. In our understanding.
 
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It would be the morrow after the next weekly Sabbath, following the Last Day of Unleavened Bread. The "morrow" after the 7th Sabbath would be the 21st of June, this year. In our understanding.
Mary came to tomb "the first of the Sabbaths" from Vulgata, Peshitta, Greek, La Reina, etc....not the corrupted Bibles of today. Why the "first"? Because it is the first weekly Sabbath of the 49 day count. That makes it impossible for the count to begin the next day on Sunday. Thus the count had to begin on the day after the previous High Sabbath. It began on the Friday, 16Nisan. I was told "the morrow after the sabbath" in Lev 23:16 refers to last 7 day "block" of days. A block of any 7 day block of days is called a Shabbatot. I am still trying to research that. Let me know if you should find anything about this. Thanks.
 
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Mary came to tomb "the first of the Sabbaths" from Vulgata, Peshitta, Greek, La Reina, etc....not the corrupted Bibles of today. Why the "first"? Because it is the first weekly Sabbath of the 49 day count. That makes it impossible for the count to begin the next day on Sunday. Thus the count had to begin on the day after the previous High Sabbath. It began on the Friday, 16Nisan. I was told "the morrow after the sabbath" in Lev 23:16 refers to last 7 day "block" of days. A block of any 7 day block of days is called a Shabbatot. I am still trying to research that. Let me know if you should find anything about this. Thanks.

I would just be careful about searching for and or adopting the views of the creators and promoters of the Talmud. And for me, the idea that God was not able to preserve His Truth for those seeking it throughout the centuries, in what we know as the Holy Scriptures, is foolishness. The idea that I have to learn a foreign language or search caves in Israel for ancient papyrus scrolls, before I can know what God's Truth is, well that philosophy although popular in several religious sects and organizations that exist in the world God placed us in, just doesn't align with the Law and Prophets as written in the Scriptures that our Messiah and Paul exclusively quoted from.

Just be careful my friend, Solomon, who God gave wisdom way beyond both you and I, was enticed into adopting philosophies of this world's religious system. If he can be deceived by these voices, then who am I, a nobody, to trust I can adopt this world's religious influence and not be corrupted. The greatest danger to a man of God throughout Biblical History was not Atheists, but men who professed to know God. From Abel, to Caleb to David to Jeremiah, to the Lord's Christ Himself.

Just be careful.
 
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Maybe you misunderstood. I didn't get any information from the Talmud. I get all my info from original Scriptural texts. You really don't even need to know a foreign language or use a translator in many cases. For example, "First of the Sabbaths" is written in the Vulgata as "primam sabati". Easy to see "primam" looks like prime, meaning first in English. Similar type of reasoning in the other ancient writings beside the Aramaic which I need a translator and it says the same thing . I could send you a link but I am not sure I can post a link because of the rules and restrictions on this forum. I respect your opinion but I always put my faith more in the older original versions. If you can read Spanish, you can search and download the original version of "Biblia de Casiodoro de Reina 1569". Read what it says in Matt 28:1. In the Peshitta notice the word Sabbath appears in 2 different forms reading from right to left. - ܒ݁ܪܰܡܫܳܐ ܕ݁ܶܝܢ ܒ݁ܫܰܒ݁ܬ݂ܳܐ ܕ݁ܢܳܓ݂ܰܗ ܚܰܕ݂ ܒ݁ܫܰܒ݁ܳܐ ܐܶܬ݂ܳܬ݂ ܡܰܪܝܰܡ ܡܰܓ݂ܕ݁ܠܳܝܬ݁ܳܐ ܘܡܰܪܝܰܡ
There several other examples. Too much to list everything. By the way, the NIV, has added another corruption. NIV has ommitted the following: John 5:4, Acts 8:37, and 1 John 5:7. and I believe Mark 16:9–20 also.

For all the changes made from the orignal versions by the so called experts, holy fathers, great theologians, etc I suggest to take all current Bibles/translations with a grain of salt and research and double check the old ORIGINALS for the real TRUTH.
Good luck. God Bless.
 
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Maybe you misunderstood. I didn't get any information from the Talmud. I get all my info from original Scriptural texts. You really don't even need to know a foreign language or use a translator in many cases. For example, "First of the Sabbaths" is written in the Vulgata as "primam sabati". Easy to see "primam" looks like prime, meaning first in English. Similar type of reasoning in the other ancient writings beside the Aramaic which I need a translator and it says the same thing . I could send you a link but I am not sure I can post a link because of the rules and restrictions on this forum. I respect your opinion but I always put my faith more in the older original versions. If you can read Spanish, you can search and download the original version of "Biblia de Casiodoro de Reina 1569". Read what it says in Matt 28:1. In the Peshitta notice the word Sabbath appears in 2 different forms reading from right to left. - ܒ݁ܪܰܡܫܳܐ ܕ݁ܶܝܢ ܒ݁ܫܰܒ݁ܬ݂ܳܐ ܕ݁ܢܳܓ݂ܰܗ ܚܰܕ݂ ܒ݁ܫܰܒ݁ܳܐ ܐܶܬ݂ܳܬ݂ ܡܰܪܝܰܡ ܡܰܓ݂ܕ݁ܠܳܝܬ݁ܳܐ ܘܡܰܪܝܰܡ
There several other examples. Too much to list everything. By the way, the NIV, has added another corruption. NIV has ommitted the following: John 5:4, Acts 8:37, and 1 John 5:7. and I believe Mark 16:9–20 also.

For all the changes made from the orignal versions by the so called experts, holy fathers, great theologians, etc I suggest to take all current Bibles/translations with a grain of salt and research and double check the old ORIGINALS for the real TRUTH.
Good luck. God Bless.

If you are talking to a modern Rabi, you are talking to a promoter of the Talmud. And I agree with you about translations. My preference is the CLV and the KJV, the NIV is a very bad translation.

But all three of these translations teach the same things in the Law and Prophets concerning God's Sabbaths and feasts. There is not one translation where God sanctifies the New Moon as a Sabbath. The Jews didn't like back to back no work Sabbaths, and changed it, no different than the priests of Constantine's time changed the Sabbath and rejected the Feasts of the Lord for ancient religious high days.

But I don't want to argue with you. If you are seeking God's Truth from the heart, you will find it.

Hope you have a blessed Sabbath today.
 
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I didn't get the impression that we were arguing. I feel like we are having a discussion. I personnally believe in talking to a anyone about Scripture. I then analyze and ask for proof and also investigate. For example, what you said about Constantine/Sabbath is true. That is fully verified by the Councils of Nicea, Laodicea, Cardinal Gibbons and many other sources. I have no knowledge about the New Moon being a Sabbath. Can you explain where you got this information about that, and also the Jews changing back to back Sabbaths? I know that yesterday the Jews observed Pentecost and today is also a Sabbath and that is 2 back to back Sabbaths celebrated by Jews. I am trying to understand what you are saying.
 
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I didn't get the impression that we were arguing. I feel like we are having a discussion. I personnally believe in talking to a anyone about Scripture. I then analyze and ask for proof and also investigate. For example, what you said about Constantine/Sabbath is true. That is fully verified by the Councils of Nicea, Laodicea, Cardinal Gibbons and many other sources. I have no knowledge about the New Moon being a Sabbath. Can you explain where you got this information about that, and also the Jews changing back to back Sabbaths? I know that yesterday the Jews observed Pentecost and today is also a Sabbath and that is 2 back to back Sabbaths celebrated by Jews. I am trying to understand what you are saying.

Maybe I did misunderstand your words.

"There are 3 Sabbath days involved in Iyar. The 15th, the 21st, and the 22nd. Why do you pick Sunday the day after Saturday, the 22nd? I am also aware of Lev 23:16. Originally I believed the same as you do but then I wondered why would all the Orthodox Jews be wrong by using Iyar 16, the day after the High Sabbath, as the 1st day of the Omer."

None of these days are sabbaths. And when a man counts 7 weekly Sabbaths, from the "Morrow after the Sabbath" that is within the Feast of Unleavened Bread, it takes a man to June 20, the morrow after that is June 21st.

Here, let me show you start from finish, according to the Law and Prophets in our understanding so at least you can know where we stand.

The first New Moon after the Spring Equinox is the First day of the first Month, in my understading.

Spring Equinox 2026 was March 20. The first New Moon after this was April 17th. This would be the first Day of the First Month in 2026.

14 days later is Passover, the 30th of April. Or Sundown Wednesday the 13th to Sundown Thursday the 14th. May 1st is the 15th day, or starting at sundown on Passover night, and ending at sundown on Friday night, May 1st. This was a High Sabbath this year.

Feast of Unleavened Bread lasts 7 days. There is always a Sabbath that falls within Feast of Unleavened Bread. We are to start counting the 7 Sabbaths "After the Morrow" of this Sabbath. Remember, Jesus, the First fruit, ascended to His Father during Feast of Unleavened bread, representing the "waving of the sheaf of the first fruits". Jesus raised from the dead just before Sundown on the Weekly Sabbath, He ascended the "morrow after this Sabbath".

"And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:"

So we start counting on the 3rd of May, the Morrow after the Sabbath that lays within the Feast of Unleavened bread.

The first Sabbath after the 3rd of May, is May 9, 16, 23, 30, June 6th, 13th, 20th. The Morrow after this 7th Sabbath is Pentecost, the 21st of June.
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Now we didn't seek out Rabbi's or Orthodox Jews or any other voice, philosopher or theologian. And there is a lot to this study that I didn't mention from Numbers, Joshua, Nehemiah etc. This is the quick version according to the KJV, CLV and almost every other translation of the Bible that has been available since roughly 1611.

Let me know what you think.
 
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Hi: I followed you pretty close in most of this post and got a bit confused. If I may, let me make a suggestion that may avoid some confusion. I presume your dates are all in 2026. Let's try to use both Hebrew and English dates and also include the days of the week. I really got thrown off track when you said June 20. You said "Morrow after the Sabbath". I again presume you are using Lev 23:15. This year, that Sabbath was on Thursday, Nisan 15, 5786 (April 2, 2026). Friday, 16 Nisan was day one of the Omer. Thus day 49 of the Omer would fall on Sivan 5 beginning at sundown Wednesday, Sivan 5 (May 20), until Thursday at sundown beginning Friday, Sivan 6 (50th day, Pentecost) lasting until sunset on Friday. The following verses will explain the word sabbath used in Lev 23:16 and not all but many other verses.

Deu 16:9 Seven weeks shalt thou number unto thee: begin to number the seven weeks from such time as thou beginnest to put the sickle to the corn.
That means the word sabbath in English is not always the same word or meaning in the Hebrew. That is why the original versions of Scripture are so valuable when doing a study. In Deut 16:9 we see that the 7 "weeks" are blocks of 7 days that could begin on any "day" of the week. Therefore, when the barley was ripe and they cut a sheaf of it and the priest waved the offering was day one of the Omer.

Now my question is, why do the Orthodox Jews always observe Nisan 16 as day one of the Omer? Surely the barley doesn't ripen on the exact same day every year. If you should find the answer, please advise me.

We see another example of a sabbath of years or a 7 year period of years.
Lev 25:8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
 
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It's awful quiet on your end? Any good Biblical responses?

I laid out when the first day of the first month in 2026 was. I counted to the 14th and 15th days, as instructed. I observed the instruction from Moses concerning when to start counting the days to be gathered unto God on the Feast of Weeks.

I understand the Jewish tradition of "Nisan 16" and where the tradition comes from. Although Wikipedia is not my go to source, it is one of many places to find where a tradition comes from that is not detailed in the Bible available to men since 1611.

The tradition of Nisan 16 is not a single, universally mandated commandment in the Torah, but rather a custom that developed over centuries of Jewish history. It is most closely associated with the Mishkan (Tabernacle) inauguration and the 12 princes of Israel.

According to the Talmud and later rabbinic sources, on each of the first 12 days of Nisan, one of the 12 princes of Israel brought offerings to inaugurate the Mishkan, the portable sanctuary built by the Israelites after the Exodus. This practice was part of the first year after the Exodus, when the people were still in the wilderness and had not yet received the Torah at Sinai.

You asked the question; "Now my question is, why do the Orthodox Jews always observe Nisan 16 as day one of the Omer?". And you went to them for your answer, and you have adopted their tradition as your own.

I am very glad to to find a brother who actually considers honoring God's Judgments and Feasts, certainly a rarity in these days.. I don't want to discourage you, so I warned you of the things the Christ warned about, before and after HE became a man in the person of Jesus. I'm not going to adopt the philosophies of any of this world's religious system, including orthodox Jews. So I'm not sure what more I can say. I should be able to find God's Feasts using the same method God's people used, and that is the Sun and Moon that hasn't changed since the day God created them.

The Spring Equinox (March 20th, 2026) is the starting point for the Spring Feasts, being a time when the daylight and darkness are the same. The first New Moon (April 17th, 2026) after the Spring Equinox is the first day of the first Month of God's Year. April 30th was Passover, May 1st, FULB. There is a Weekly Sabbath during EVERY 7 day Feast of ULB. The morrow after that Sabbath, we count 7 Sabbaths. That takes us to June 20, and the "morrow after that Sabbath" was June 21st that year, Pentecost.

I'm not sure what more to say. If I'm wrong it's because I believe the Scriptures God has provided, as it is written, "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD".

Paul said the Jews fell "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

I don't want to make the same mistake.
 
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So if Sunday is the 1st day of the Omer count, that means you consider "the first of the Sabbaths" in Matt 28:1 in all the various ancient Bibles I previously illustrated, to be invalid in proving that the Omer count had already began before Mary arrived to the tomb. Also Deut 16:9 which makes any day of the week as the first day of the Omer depending on the barley being ripe. So it seems that verse carries no weight in your opinion. Is that correct? And since Lev 25:8 verifies that any 7 years, or weeks or days is considered a sabbath. Can you explain why you have not considered those verses in you analysis?
 
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So if Sunday is the 1st day of the Omer count, that means you consider "the first of the Sabbaths" in Matt 28:1 in all the various ancient Bibles I previously illustrated, to be invalid in proving that the Omer count had already began before Mary arrived to the tomb.

CLV(i) 1 Now it is the evening of the sabbaths. At the lighting up into one of the sabbaths came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to behold the sepulcher.

I understand this because on God's weekly Sabbath, I do not engage in many activities until after sundown on Saturday. So she went to the Tomb after sundown on the Sabbath Day, as I'm sure she was anxious to do. When she got to the Tomb, the Christ Jesus, who the "Orthodox Jews" who created the Talmud, didn't and still don't believe in, Had already risen. This was the "morrow after the Sabbath".

What they didn't understand, because of their rebellion against God, is that the "Firstfruits" had nothing to do with wheat or grain, but represented the Messiah, the very "firstfruit".

Lev. 23: 10 Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, When you come "into the land which I am giving to you" and reap its harvest, you will bring a sheaf of the firstfruit of your harvest to the priest. 11 He will wave the sheaf before Yahweh for acceptance on your behalf. From "the morrow after the first sabbath" the priest shall wave it.

When Mary talked with the the Risen Yeshua, on the morrow after the Sabbath, she was not allowed to touch Him. This is because HE had not yet ascended or offered (waived) Himself before the Lord which happened later when HE ascended to His Father and my Father. But later, after HE came back to see His Disciples, they were allowed to touch Him. This was the Firstfruit of "many" mortal humans who would deny themselves and follow Him. This was the first Wheat separated from the Tares. This was the whole purpose of Passover, placing the Blood (Life, Mind) of Christ in our mind (Lintel) and our walk, works (two door posts, two hands, two feet), like Abraham, David, Daniel, Zacharias, John the Baptist, etc.. His appearing WAS the Land which Yahweh was giving to them, and the Messiah is the Firstfruit waived before Yahweh "for acceptance on our behalf".

The morrow after the "First Sabbath" after the Passover, within the Feast of Unleavened bread, symbolizing a life without sin, is the Land Yahweh was "giving" them.

There is no "2 Days of Passover", as is promoted by the creators of the Talmud.

The teaching that the Omer count had already started before Yeshua ascended to His Father, can not be supported by Scriptures, if Every Word of God is considered, in my understanding.

Also Deut 16:9 which makes any day of the week as the first day of the Omer depending on the barley being ripe.

Duet. 16: 9 doesn't make void Lev. 23 concerning the "Morrow after the Sabbath". And all this information you are providing comes from a certain religious sect of Jews, and their Traditions, by your own admission.

When Yahweh created, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day of the Week, do you believe HE knew then what day Yeshua would raise from the dead? I do.

So it seems that verse carries no weight in your opinion. Is that correct?

Jewish Rabbis and the opinions of the creators of the Talmud carry no weight with me. There are no 2 days of Passover. The beginning of the harvest of souls, began at the resurrection of the Prophesied Messiah. The Morrow after the Sabbath. You have no call or reason to accuse me of ignoring Scriptures. I understand them differently than the opinions of the preachers you have adopted.

And since Lev 25:8 verifies that any 7 years, or weeks or days is considered a sabbath. Can you explain why you have not considered those verses in you analysis?

Lev. 25: 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in mount Sinai, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When "ye come into the land which I give you", then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.

Just because I choose not to adopt the religious philosophies of a religious sect you adopted, "that professes to know God", which exists in the world God placed you and I in, doesn't mean I have not considered what the Scriptures say.

I could be wrong in my understanding, but my understanding is from study of Scriptures, not adopting the religious philosophies and opinions of One of the many different Jewish religious sects that exist, or those religious sects who call Jesus Lord, Lord, and "come in His Name".

But I know how this works. And I have no interest in being drawn into another fruitless argument.

I will leave you will one question. Can you show me a time or a place in this world where "The Land kept a Sabbath onto the Lord"?
 
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So she went to the Tomb after sundown on the Sabbath Day,
Once again, to avoid any confusion and this going around in circles, could you please specify dates and day of the week. The word sabbath has 3 diffent meanings .... a 7th day sabbath, a High Feast Sabbath, and third, a period of 7 days, years, or months. I have already proved all of this with verses from original ancient Scriptures which you failed to neither confirm nor deny. If I recall this is a Bible study and not a Talmud or Jewish study. The Talmud and what the Jews do or say is of no interest to me.
So getting back to the topic. The body was taken down prior to sundown 14 Nisan going into the High Sabbath, 15Nisan (John 19:31). Counting 3 days and 3 nights inclusive of Weds,14Nisan to Saturday, 17Nisan before sunrise on 17 Nisan concludes the 3 days and 3 nights. She did not arrive, as you say, at sundown on Sabbath, 17 Nisan, going into Sunday night, 18 Nisan. Your making that statement destroys all the rest of what you said. False premise, false conclusion. Please confirm that we are on the same track, otherwise there is no point on continuing the discussion. By the way, CLV new testament is only 100 years old compared to the corrupted King James which is older than the CLV which speaks little for the CLV which is vague. For example, CLV says "one of the Sabbaths", and all of the original versions I presented say "first of the Sabbaths". CLV = ???????
 
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Once again, to avoid any confusion and this going around in circles, could you please specify dates and day of the week. The word sabbath has 3 diffent meanings .... a 7th day sabbath, a High Feast Sabbath, and third, a period of 7 days, years, or months. I have already proved all of this with verses from original ancient Scriptures which you failed to neither confirm nor deny.

I asked you an important question. I don't believe we are in a "Land" that "Keeps the Sabbaths of the Lord yet". If that is true, that leaves 2 relevant Sabbaths in our time, and certainly in theirs. You have provided verses and interpretations promoted by "Orthodox Jews", almost word for word as any search into their religious traditions can see.

If I recall this is a Bible study and not a Talmud or Jewish study. The Talmud and what the Jews do or say is of no interest to me.

And yet by your own words "why do the Orthodox Jews always observe Nisan 16 as day one of the Omer". And you went to their Rabbis to answer this question, and you are promoting the Scriptures "they use" and the interpretations "they use" to justify their religious tradition.

In the same way someone would ask, "Why do the Catholics observe and promote Good Friday?" And if you went to their teachers, they too would promote a few Scriptures and teach their interpretation of Scripture to justify their tradition.

Had you asked the question, "Why do the Karaite Jews start the Omer on the day after the first weekly Sabbath during Feast of Unleavened Bread?" Then you if went to their teachers, they would explain "with Scriptures" why they don't agree with the interpretations of Scripture promoted by the Orthodox Jews who promote the Oral Traditions and interpretations of Scriptures set forth in the Talmud.

There is no "2 days of Passover" in the Book of Moses. But there is in the Talmud that the Orthodox Jews promote.

To say the traditions of the Orthodox Jews are of no interest to you, is a direct contradiction of your own words.


So getting back to the topic. The body was taken down prior to sundown 14 Nisan going into the High Sabbath, 15Nisan (John 19:31).

Yes, 14 Nisan, Wednesday that year. He was placed in the grave before Sundown which signifies the end of Passover, and the Beginning of the High Sabbath, the First Day of Unleavened Bread. There is no "2 Days of Passover" in Scriptures, but there is in some Jewish Traditions. The teaching that the Omer count started when Messiah was still dead, on Nisan 16 doesn't align with the purpose of the Feast in the First place, in my understanding. I don't believe this is what the Holy scriptures teach.

An important truth to consider here. There were 2 Weekly Sabbaths and 1 High Sabbath before the Prophesied Resurrection of the Messiah, in the Nisan. You keep promoting the Talmud that teaches about the "First Sabbath", yet Nisan 16 was not the "First Sabbath" in Nisan. And the Christ Rose from the Dead on the Weekly Sabbath, 3 days and 3 nights from the time HE was placed in the Tomb on Passover. Why would the Omer Count, that was all about the Prophesied Messiah and His Influence on the First Church of God under HIS New Priesthood "After the Order of Melchizedek", start on the "morrow after a High Sabbath", when HE was still dead? And not start the "morrow after the Holy, Sanctified and Set Apart Weekly Sabbath, that we both know HE was raised on? It is the first Weekly Sabbath of the 7 day feast. It is the First Sabbath the Resurrected Christ lived in, It was after this Sabbath that Mary went to the Grave. She didn't take a taxi John. I'm sure it took her quite awhile to get there. Shall I not consider these things? Or should I just adopt the views and interpretations of one of many different Jewish Sects that exists in the world God placed me in.

This is the crux f our disagreement.

Counting 3 days and 3 nights inclusive of Weds,14Nisan to Saturday, 17Nisan before sunrise on 17 Nisan concludes the 3 days and 3 nights.

Absolutely, the Lord's Christ rose on the Weekly Sabbath, just before sundown. No argument here.


She did not arrive, as you say, at sundown on Sabbath, 17 Nisan, going into Sunday night, 18 Nisan. Your making that statement destroys all the rest of what you said. False premise, false conclusion.

First of all, your blatant misrepresentation of my posts is getting old. You are either not reading my post, or you are purposely being deceitful. I never said any such thing. Go back and read my post, and show me if you can, where I said she arrived at the grave at sundown on the Weekly Sabbath. Please resist the urge to engage in this kind of discourse. I'm just an old cowboy, and a fighter at heart. I understand the urge more than most. But isn't the entire purpose of Passover, Feast of UB, and Feast of Weeks to reveal the New Man, which after God is created in Righteousness and true Holiness? Let's rule over these fleshy urges.


Please confirm that we are on the same track, otherwise there is no point on continuing the discussion. By the way, CLV new testament is only 100 years old compared to the corrupted King James which is older than the CLV which speaks little for the CLV which is vague. For example, CLV says "one of the Sabbaths", and all of the original versions I presented say "first of the Sabbaths". CLV = ???????

So far, you are just preaching down to me, like the Pharisees did to Jesus and Peter. Like the Catholic Priests do to the Protestants. Like the Protestants do to each other.

I have asked you some questions, and made the case against the religious traditions of the Talmud Promoters whose scriptural interpretations you have adopted.

I tried to bow out of the discussion, seeing the direction it was talking. You insisted that the discussion continue. You have adopted the Popular Jewish tradition, to start the Omer Count after the First Day of Unleavened Bread, and not the Weekly Sabbath that the Christ Rose on.

Your adopted traditions are certainly more popular than my understanding of Scriptures. I might be wrong, and perhaps you are right, that God wasn't able to preserve His Truth in the Holy Scriptures available to the whole world since 1611. That I must turn to the modern Pharisees of today, and their scriptural interpretations, religious traditions, judgments and high days, to know God.

Nevertheless, I will not adopt their traditions, and you seem determined to promote them.

So it seems that there is no point in continuing this discussion.

Thank you for sharing.
 
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