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Hi: I'm Jim. Looking forward to discussing Scripture. My interest now is in Leviticus 23:16.
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How wonderful. The Last day of Unleavened Bread was day before Yesterday, Thursday. We begin counting the Sabbaths tomorrow.
Lev. 23: 15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
So the Last Day of Unleavened bread, a High Sabbath, was Thursday last week.
Anyway, according to Leviticus 23, we are to start counting Sabbaths, from the "morrow after the (weekly) Sabbath", following the Last Day of Unleavened Bread. Today is the first "Sabbath" following the Last Day of Unleavened Bread, so tomorrow we start counting Sabbaths, and the Morrow after the 7th Sabbath, is Pentecost.
I am over joyed to have a discussion with you about it.
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The first New Moon after the Spring Equinox was April 17th this year, making that the first day of the first month in the land God placed me in. Simply count from there according to the Inspired Word of God.
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There are 3 Sabbath days involved in Iyar. The 15th, the 21st, and the 22nd. Why do you pick Sunday the day after Saturday, the 22nd? I am also aware of Lev 23:16. Originally I believed the same as you do but then I wondered why would all the Orthodox Jews be wrong by using Iyar 16, the day after the High Sabbath, as the 1st day of the Omer. I was informed by an Orthodox Jew that in the English Bibles the word Sabbath is used to mean several different Hebrew translations of the word. A 7th day Sabbath (Shabbat), a High Sabbath (Shabbat Shabbaton), and we also have the Hebrew text that states: "You shall count... seven full Sabbaths (Shabbatot tamiymot)". Translators universally render this as "seven full weeks" because it specifies seven complete "blocks of 7-day periods". Thus the Jews use the day of the Iyar 16 as day one of the 7 Shabbatots which matches perfectly with John 20:19 (original translations "first of the Sabbaths" meaning Shabbat), John 20:26, Acts 1:3, and Acts 1:12. Using this, Pentecost will fall on Thursday, Sivan 6 (May 21, 2026).
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I don't. The 20th of June is the 7th Sabbath (Saturday), the "morrow" after that Sabbath is Sunday, the 21st. Pentecost.
The Jews, creators of the Talmud, have a history of injecting the imagination of their own mind into their traditions. I cannot find in Scriptures where god sanctified and made Holy an "New Moon". It may have been one of their many traditions Jesus spoke of. But there is nowhere in Scriptures where God Sanctified the first day of the 3rd month as Holy.
At least not according to the instructions given in the Law and Prophets, that I can find. If you can find a place where God does, please show me. And thanks in advance.
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I don't find it anywhere that it is a Holy day of observation, but there many verses that indicate the new moon is the first day of the month. Some feast days are always on the 15th of the month which is always the full moon. Go back 15 days and you have the first day of the month on a new moon. There are many verses that when you put them all together they all match up. Also God gave the Torah to Moses which mentions all the feast days and dates. Some of the verses are Lev 23:24, 1Ch 23:31, 2Ch 2:4, 1Sam 20:5, Num 10:10, Ps 81:3, and many more.
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Yes, the Jews justify their traditions with scripture just as all religious sects do. But nevertheless, as you correctly pointed out, God did not set apart or sanctify as a Sabbath, the New Moon.
My friend, consider what the Jews did here. Every Pentecost, as described by Moses, creates a double Sabbath. Two no work days in a row. But the New Moon, if I am understanding you right, is not a No Work day. Which means instead of every Pentecost being a double back to back 2 no work days, as described by Moses, their tradition eliminates this loss of revenue.
It is good for you to seek Gods truth in His feasts, and if you are seeking from the heart God will lead you to His truth. Just be careful my friend, about adopting the popular traditions of this world.
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If you investigate the original ancient Scriptures, Verse Matt 28:1 ...."primam sabati" in the Vulgata means "first of the Sabbaths." In all the current Bibles it says "first day of the week". The Reina Bible 1579 by Casiodora says "primero de los Sabbados". Same as the Vulgata. The Valera says the same. So does the Peshitta. We can only conclude that Mary arrived on the first 7 day Sabbath of the 7 weeks (49 days) Omer count. Thus the first day of the 49 days had to begin on the 16th Nisan, the day after the High Sabbath of the 15th Feast of Unleavened bread. Mary arrived prior to sunrise on the 17th Nisan Thus completeing the 3 days and 3 nights using Bible time (not 24 hr day) beginning day 1 on the 14th Nisan and ending on the night of 17th.
You said: ".. every Pentecost being a double back to back 2 no work days, as described by Moses, their tradition eliminates this loss of revenue."
That can only mean they will close all of their stores/businesses 2 days in a row
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I agree that Jesus rose on the 3rd day of Unleavened Bread. And there is a big push by this world's religious system to promote the RCC sabbath.
But in my studies, with no religious sect or philosophy of this world to justify or promote, I find He was killed on Wed, placed in the ground just before Sundown on Wed evening, Passover Day. Was in the heart of the earth, Wed. night, Thur. night and Frid. night, and was in the heart of the earth, Thursday, Friday and Saturday, raising from the dead just before Sundown on Saturday Evening. 3 days, 3 nights as HE himself promised. In all eye witness accounts, Mary left for the tomb after the weekly Sabbath, with spices she purchased on Friday, between Thursday, the First Day of Unleavened bread, and Saturday, the Lord's Sabbath. In all accounts HE was already risen when she got to the grave.
And if I believe Moses, apart from the philosophies of the creators of the Talmud, that is exactly what would happen. And the Jews didn't like that, as they didn't like a lot of God's Judgments, Statutes and commandments, so they changed them. No different than the Catholic religion changed many of God's Judgments, statutes and Commandments, and then they wrest scripture to justify the changes.
This was all prophesied to happen.
For me, I stay away from this world's religions. If King Solomon could be corrupted by exposing himself to the religions of this world God placed us in, that we are instructed to "Take Heed" of, then who am I, a nobody, to believe I can withstand the influences of the religions of this same world?
We confronted these same issues 25 years ago. Decided to trust God Himself to reveal Himself through the Holy Scriptures, as instructed. And be careful of the philosophies, traditions and doctrines of a Rabbi or the Pope, of some Protestant preacher somewhere.
But it's good for men to have these discussions, in my view.
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Do not insult other church's beliefs.
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This thread was moved from Introduce Yourself to Exposition & Bible study. Introduce Yourself is NOT the forum to discuss and debate theology.
Do not insult other church's beliefs.
IF this becomes a debate about the Sabbath, it will either be closed. or will be moved to Sabbath and the Law
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Gotcha. I got tomorrow at sunset begins Pentecost Sivan 6. The reason I go with that because of the ancient scripture saying "first of the Sabbaths". This means that there are 6 seven day Sabbaths left. Also it also means that the Omer count had already begun otherwise why mention "first of the Sabbaths". I see the count beginning on the 16th Nisan
Hi Michie. I think I got it figured out about this Omer count.Welcome!
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Can you give me the link to Sabbath and the Law? Is there a "search" feature anywhere?
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Look at the Main forum and you will see a section titled Theology:
General Theology is at the bottom of the Theology Section. Click on that and you will see a list of forums in alphabetical order. Sabbath and the Law can be see part way down:
Click on Sabbath and The Law.
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