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New BBB Federal Reg. would bar student loans to degree programs that don't increase earning power; Some colleges call that an ‘Existential Threat’

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A proposed policy would label college programs “failing”—and block federal student loans—if graduates don’t out-earn peers without the degree.

The One Big Beautiful Bill that Congress passed last year included a requirement for an earnings test on undergraduate and graduate programs to determine their eligibility for federal loans.

In dozens of meetings with [DC] lawmakers, [a college association] pleaded their case against a new Department of Education regulation they say could crater their programs. The regulation would label a bachelor’s or master’s program a “failure” if its graduates don’t earn more than their peers without the degree.

Students in these “failing” programs would be ineligible for federal financial aid.

By the government’s own estimate, 53 percent of bachelor’s degreesfor religion and religious studies would be considered “failing” under this new metric. Those programs, which would not qualify for federal loans, are projected to have the highest failure rate of any undergraduate program.

For master’s degrees, the outlook is especially bleak: The government estimates that 89 percent of religion or religious studies degrees would be considered failing.

Christian Colleges Call New Federal Regulation an ‘Existential Threat’


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A proposed policy would label college programs “failing”—and block federal student loans—if graduates don’t out-earn peers without the degree.

The One Big Beautiful Bill that Congress passed last year included a requirement for an earnings test on undergraduate and graduate programs to determine their eligibility for federal loans.

In dozens of meetings with [DC] lawmakers, [a college association] pleaded their case against a new Department of Education regulation they say could crater their programs. The regulation would label a bachelor’s or master’s program a “failure” if its graduates don’t earn more than their peers without the degree.

Students in these “failing” programs would be ineligible for federal financial aid.

By the government’s own estimate, 53 percent of bachelor’s degreesfor religion and religious studies would be considered “failing” under this new metric. Those programs, which would not qualify for federal loans, are projected to have the highest failure rate of any undergraduate program.

For master’s degrees, the outlook is especially bleak: The government estimates that 89 percent of religion or religious studies degrees would be considered failing.

Christian Colleges Call New Federal Regulation an ‘Existential Threat’


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Huh, wuddya know. Maybe the stopped clock IS right twice a day.
 
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The regulation would label a bachelor’s or master’s program a “failure” if its graduates don’t earn more than their peers without the degree.
I'll be honest... this regulation, on its face, doesn't really seem like a necessarily bad one. There certainly are degree programs that are questionable in their efficacy. A couple are mentioned in the article. :) If a person with a degree in a field doesn't attract a higher salary in their field than someone without the degree, then what was the point of the degree?

However, I don't think the students should really be punished. They should be incentivized, as should the schools, to offer more practical degree programs. BUT, I also think there should be some room for niche programs. We need that kind of stuff to keep progressing and moving forward as a society.
 
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I'll be honest... this regulation, on its face, doesn't really seem like a necessarily bad one.
No, I certainly partially agree as well. Kids should be able to follow their dreams in their choice of major, but We The People don't necessarily have to come along for the ride. I might not be as black/white as this rule, but some differential way of incentivizing some majors over others doesn't seem like a bad idea. Or something on the repayment side -- some get breaks if they don't earn enough money. Why should you get that break if you knew you were going into a field that doesn't earn enough money?
 
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However, I don't think the students should really be punished. They should be incentivized, as should the schools, to offer more practical degree programs. BUT, I also think there should be some room for niche programs. We need that kind of stuff to keep progressing and moving forward as a society.
My hope is that the outcome of a policy like this would be the closing of lower quality programs. I love all of my music/art/theater/design colleagues, but there are too many of those programs out there. I studied audio production at a community college in western NY that pumps out 20-30 newly-minted engineers into a region that probably doesn't have 30 production companies and studios to hire them. It was convenient for me, but why does that have to be subsidized by the federal government?
 
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I'll be honest... this regulation, on its face, doesn't really seem like a necessarily bad one. There certainly are degree programs that are questionable in their efficacy. A couple are mentioned in the article. :) If a person with a degree in a field doesn't attract a higher salary in their field than someone without the degree, then what was the point of the degree?
I am still forming my opinion of this “policy”…why is it in the best interests of a government to limit a University's “output”?
Is it really Government’s job to guide institutions of higher-learning to make sure that the “clients” of said institutions are going to be productive (high-paid) members of society?
This seems like a move towards “big-government”; why is that “okay” with conservatives now?

However, I don't think the students should really be punished. They should be incentivized, as should the schools, to offer more practical degree programs. BUT, I also think there should be some room for niche programs. We need that kind of stuff to keep progressing and moving forward as a society.
College has never been “the norm” for the majority of (any, I’d argue) society, but the bastion of the rich & privileged to forge networks and continue their upward journey through their respective cultures. If we (as a people) would like to make sure that universities are serving the public interest, then the laws that govern them should be more than prescriptions dressed in headsman’s garb.
 
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This seems like a move towards “big-government”; why is that “okay” with conservatives now?
Because they thought it would punish people with green-dyed hair studying the Cinema of Basketweaving
 
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I am still forming my opinion of this “policy”…why is it in the best interests of a government to limit a University's “output”?
Is it really Government’s job to guide institutions of higher-learning to make sure that the “clients” of said institutions are going to be productive (high-paid) members of society?
This seems like a move towards “big-government”; why is that “okay” with conservatives now?

This rule is regarding eligibility for federally-backed student loans. Government is already "big" in this case.

College has never been “the norm” for the majority of (any, I’d argue) society, but the bastion of the rich & privileged to forge networks and continue their upward journey through their respective cultures. If we (as a people) would like to make sure that universities are serving the public interest, then the laws that govern them should be more than prescriptions dressed in headsman’s garb.

Verifying that the degrees are actually providing some kind of benefit is in the public interest. One could argue that there are more ways to serve "the public interest" than merely increasing salaries, but it's not a wholly misguided way of approaching things.
 
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