The Marriage bed.

Carl Emerson said:

I didn't coin the phrase - maybe address the issue with whoever did.

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Carl Emerson said:

I don't hold that world view so maybe again address that objection to those who do.

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Carl Emerson said:

Plenty of folks on this thread disagree with you on that.

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Carl Emerson said:

I did not refer to "Swapping Demons" - you did.

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Carl Emerson said:

If you don't understand the point of the topic then could you graciously leave it to those who do.

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Carl Emerson said:

You have stated your opinion clearly, could you now find the grace to let the topic run.

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NBB said:

But who says you need a priest or the government to get married. Marriage is agreeing to stay together for life and "they will be one flesh".
Other things are just traditions or something.

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reBoot said:

It's evident that truth is the first casualty in this info war, as I read through a morass of opinions in this thread. So I'll toss my hat into the arena, as well. I have a deliverance ministry and have hands-on experience dealing with the demonic. Perhaps some of what follows will edify someone who needs to hear it.


Marriage wipes out nothing. Stick around long enough post-honeymoon, and all will be revealed...


Of course you can (and you must), as God does.


Virginity, or lack thereof, is but one issue. Devils (aka demons) need legal right, and hidden (unconfessed) sin is a red carpet.


Rather, let's deal in obedience to the word of God that we would claim to follow - and thus enjoy the protection and benefits that follow!


Saved or not, who wants their future to be compromised by demonic activity, from demons granted access through past unconfessed sin? Have you heard of the process of sanctification?


No, there is no confession there, so sin remains. A "change of mind" does nothing to change the spiritual consequences of previous choices. IOW, those demons are still there - unless you take action to get rid of them.


Marriage is not about any piece of paper. It's really simple: DId you submit your desire to enter into a relationahip with this person to God? Did you ask him? Did you lay it down before him and then patiently WAIT for his answer? If you did not do that, then it's a virtual guarantee that there are demons operant in your "new" relationship; it's only a matter of degree.


Yep. Deferring to a priest (tradition) or a government (fear) only opens more doors to the enemy. The One to be consulted must be The Boss Himself, and only The Boss, if one expects to walk in true liberty. (Most have no idea of what walking in true liberty even feels like.)


It all boils down to this: Who do you look to, for the authority to do the things that you do? Recall that there is a form of obedience that leads to death: Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? (Roman 6:16)


Some, living with their demons, experience less torment than others... It's a craps shoot i.e. a dice roll.


You are onto it; there is some discernment there.


WIthout forgiveness, there can be no deliverance.


Repentance is hating the sin, detesting the sin and turning away from it.


We can play word games, but when two ppl swap spit, they become one flesh (Mark 10; Genesis 2). They're swapping their own demons, as well.


The demonic part is as real as it can get. I have dealt with many ppl who had no idea that they were "harboring" demonic spirits, ala the stereotypical little old church lady.

There's a procedure to overcome evil spirits in our life. And the procedure is always the same. There are four steps needed to take place in order for people to get delivered. Most of these steps, particularly 3 and 4, people never do. Most people only do steps 1 and 2, they stop there and they never get free.

1. Acknowledge the actions that you partake in that support the nature of these evil spirits in your flesh.

For a believer, step 1 is the end because they're faithfully gonna go on to do steps 2, 3 and 4. Sometimes step 1 is the most difficult. Because you can't see demons, you need to pray to God to show you how they operate. It could be something very subtle e.g. everywhere you go, you can't stop tapping your foot. It could be something so subtle as a shift in body language when one walks into a bar or a weight training room (an overkill "tough guy" body stance). You're seeing an arrogant, violent "don't mess with me" demon. Even unbelievers can notice the evil spirits in you. They don't know they're demons, but they don't like that nature in you because they don't have it. That's what determines if people get along together or don't get along together. If his demons don't like your demons, your're not gonna get along with him. If his demons don't like your Holy Spirit, of course you're not gonna get along with him. This is what makes people come together in like minded fashion or not. This is why the Bible says we should be all of one mind and be in accordance with one another in our doctrine. That's why it's important to develop that core group.

2. Truly repent of the behavior that you're doing.

You don't just go up to someone and say, "I repent, I'm a sinner, I don't like what I've been doing. I give it to God." And then you walk back out the door. That's not a complete repentance. A complete repentance is doing that, plus turning from the action and CONTINUING to turn from that action forever. In true repentance, one does not go back to sin. A true believer, when a sin is overcome, never returns to that sin. Is he sinless? No, he's not sinless, but he's now working on new sins or non-willful sins (i.e. a sin you're not yet aware of, or a sin that you're doing that you don't think is a sin. There is no sin that will overtake you, except those sins that are common to man e.g. road rage with its momentary manifestation of a demon. And God always leaves you a way out. It's why the Bible says to not let the sun go down on your anger, because believers do get angry, and they need to deal with it before they go to bed, else they give place to the devil, and that place is you because you allowed that devil to operate through you.) You can't be a believer and also be a willful sinner. Once you become aware that it's a sin, and you continue to do it, you're not a true believer.

When true repentance is practiced, your body is no longer a quality habitat for that demon. Demons are like animals. If you take a fish out of water, it can't thrive. If you put a lion in a cage, it can't thrive. Different demons thrive in different habitats. If you wanna be prideful, you're gonna have those spirits. Whatever you're willing to act out through your vessel is what you have now given as a habitat for a spirit. Of course, this works for the Holy Spirit, as well. If you're willing to do selfless acts of love, then you've now given your vessel as a habitat for the Holy Spirit. If you don't do that, then you don't have the level of Spirit, that double portion of God's power, that people who constantly yield their vessel have.

This works both ways. People think because I teach about demons, that I don't know about the Holy Ghost. I know about the Holy Ghost, but we're taught to wrestle against principalities. The Bible says we're not to be ignorant of Satan's devices, so somebody's gotta focus on revealing the wiles of Satan, teaching people how to resist the devil. And the people who don't wanna hear about this are not true believers either, because if you don't wanna fight the devil, then you're not a believer.

3. Strive daily for perfect resistance of the sinful tendencies.

4. Persist in resisting the sin until the stronghold is broken. (Most people never fight hard enough to make the devil tap out.)

Most people never partake in steps 3 and 4 and never get delivered.

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Carl Emerson said:

So preparing for marriage needs to include repenting past promiscuity and cutting off the soul ties and renouncing demonic intrusion from such past sin.

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