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Please, why is Elisabeth greeting Mary so (Lk 1, 42)

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I' m just a little puzzled why Elisabeth doesn't just tell Mary she's blessed. Why does she add : "among women" ? Why does it seem needed ?
My first thought is indeed : why does she distinguish her from the other women ?
May be is it not for a distinction, but i fail to see another motivation
 
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peter2 said:
I' m just a little puzzled why Elisabeth doesn't just tell Mary she's blessed. Why does she add : "among women" ? Why does it seem needed ?
My first thought is indeed : why does she distinguish her from the other women ?
May be is it not for a distinction, but i fail to see another motivation
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She is carrying the Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Many women carried Prophets and even Elizabeth herself carried a very important individual. But Mary as we know carried God in the flesh. Wouldn't you say among all these women she is by far the most blessed?
 
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Maria Billingsley said:
She is carrying the Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Many women carried Prophets and even Elizabeth herself carried a very important individual. But Mary as we know carried God in the flesh. Wouldn't you say among all these women she is by far the most blessed?
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Agreed, and we notice that it is "among women" not "above women."
 
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Maria Billingsley said:
She is carrying the Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Many women carried Prophets and even Elizabeth herself carried a very important individual. But Mary as we know carried God in the flesh. Wouldn't you say among all these women she is by far the most blessed?
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Thank you, and sorry for my late reply.
i was not suggesting Elizabeth could have been lying, and i would add this piece of information is valuable, of course..
But i remain perplexed yet : Doesn't it point to the hypothesis she embodies something absolute, while other women, some more relative realities ?
Could we assume then she reaches here, through Elizabeth's speech, an absolute status, while she's yet a mere creature ?
 
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David Lamb said:
Agreed, and we notice that it is "among women" not "above women."
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Idem, Mr Lamb, sorry also for my late answer.
If we consider what i just wrote Mrs Billingsley, i hardly see some significative difference between "among" and "above"
 
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Maria Billingsley said:
and even Elizabeth herself carried a very important individual.
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Yes, Mrs Billingsley, i read too quickly your message, and missed this quote :
A reason why she told "among women" could likely be Elizabeth was mother of the precursor, and her fame had already spread in the country. She was likely just passing on the torch.
You gave me a good clue
 
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Why ? Because the Son of Mary is the Ark of the Covenant, and Elizabeth was married to a descendant of Levi & maybe was one herself.

Since Jesus is also King, the apantēsis or meeting between Mary & Elizabeth can also be seen as Elizabeth meeting & receiving her King. It foreshadows 1 Thessalonians 4.16-17, when the King’s people will receive Him at His coming. See also Matthew 25:1-6 & Acts 28:15.

It is worth noting that St Luke‘s Gospel has a lot to say about the Jerusalem & its cultus. The coming of Jesus the Ark of the Covenant shows that the old familiar Temple worship is about to end.
 
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David Lamb said:
Agreed, and we notice that it is "among women" not "above women."
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“Among women” means “more than any other woman”. She is special, because her Son, without Whom she is nothing, is special.
 
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“Among women” means “more than any other woman”. She is special, because her Son, without Whom she is nothing, is special.
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Yes, Mary had a special calling by God. But we need to balance that with what Jesus said when He was told that His mother and brothers were outside:

(Luk 8:21) But He answered and said to them, "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it."
 
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David Lamb said:
Yes, Mary had a special calling by God. But we need to balance that with what Jesus said when He was told that His mother and brothers were outside:

(Luk 8:21) But He answered and said to them, "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it."
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In which Mary excelled.

And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.​
 
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