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ONLY ISRAEL CAN BE BORN AGAIN

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You are making it out that I am saying only Jews can be saved
Jews and Gentiles can be saved

What I am saying is believers in this dispensation are saying they are born again. I am only saying, go ahead say you are born again, but it's not scriptural. Thats all I am saying

Repentance is involved in salvation. Repentance is a change of mind. For us we believe we are sinners who cant save ourselves and rely solely on the blood redemption in Christ Jesus. Israel had to repent and believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God
AND 1 JOHN 5::18. reads , WE KNOW. that. the whosoever is BORN of GOD does NOT //. OU. , is

a DISJUNCTIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means that that person BORN OF GOD CANNOT SIN , FOREVER !!

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You are making it out that I am saying only Jews can be saved
Jews and Gentiles can be saved

What I am saying is believers in this dispensation are saying they are born again. I am only saying, go ahead say you are born again, but it's not scriptural. Thats all I am saying

Repentance is involved in salvation. Repentance is a change of mind. For us we believe we are sinners who cant save ourselves and rely solely on the blood redemption in Christ Jesus. Israel had to repent and believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God
And 1 John 5:18 says !!

WE KNOW // EIDO. - in the PERFECT TENSE in the ACTIVE VOICE. in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. in. the PLURAL

THAT //. HOTI. is. a CONJUNCTION

WHO SO. EVER. //. PAS. in. the NOMINATIVE. CASE in. the SINGULAR

IS BORN. //. GENNEO. is in. the PERFECT TENSE in the PASSIVE VOICE. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR

OF. //. EK. is a CONJUNCTION

GOD. //. THEOS. in the. GEBITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

SINNETH. //. HAMARTANO. in. the PRESENT. TENSE. in. the ACTIVE VOICE. in. the INDICATIVE MOOD. in. the SINGULAR

NOT //. OU. is a DISJUNCTIVE. PARTICLE NEGATIVE , means you can never , ever SIN AGAIN

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You are making it out that I am saying only Jews can be saved
Jews and Gentiles can be saved

What I am saying is believers in this dispensation are saying they are born again. I am only saying, go ahead say you are born again, but it's not scriptural. Thats all I am saying

Repentance is involved in salvation. Repentance is a change of mind. For us we believe we are sinners who cant save ourselves and rely solely on the blood redemption in Christ Jesus. Israel had to repent and believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God
How are you using “born again” that it refers only to the Jews? What do you call it in a gentile Christian when God calls, justifies, and sanctifies them? Does not the same process happen to them that happens to a Jew? Do Jews have a different salvific process to at gentiles don’t have?
 
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How are you using “born again” that it refers only to the Jews? What do you call it in a gentile Christian when God calls, justifies, and sanctifies them? Does not the same process happen to them that happens to a Jew? Do Jews have a different salvific process to at gentiles don’t have?
Born again only appears in 2 places *********
[John 3:3 KJV] "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
[1 Peter 1:23 KJV] "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

They both pertain to Israel. Peter was wring to scattered Jews

I am just saying that to apply that term to body of Christ believers isnt scriptual not heretical, Use it if you want

By the way using born again started in 1976 by Chuck Colson and Jimmy Carter
 
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Born again only appears in 2 places *********
[John 3:3 KJV] "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
[1 Peter 1:23 KJV] "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

They both pertain to Israel. Peter was wring to scattered Jews

I am just saying that to apply that term to body of Christ believers isnt scriptual not heretical, Use it if you want

By the way using born again started in 1976 by Chuck Colson and Jimmy Carter
Why do you suggest that those verses only speak of the Jews? Is there a separate gospel for the Jews than there is for the gentiles?
 
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Why do you suggest that those verses only speak of the Jews? Is there a separate gospel for the Jews than there is for the gentiles?
Its called dispensational
Jesus taught and commanded Israel during his earthly ministry different from what he communicated to us thru Paul
 
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Its called dispensational
Jesus taught and commanded Israel during his earthly ministry different from what he communicated to us thru Paul
Not true in the least. Even prior to Christ’s birth, men were saved by looking forward to the sacrifice of Christ, just as we are saved now. What Jesus taught before He died is the same gospel Paul preached. It had to be couched in different words because He hadn’t died yet, but it is the same gospel.

And that’s not even what dispensational means.
 
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You are making it out that I am saying only Jews can be saved
Jews and Gentiles can be saved

What I am saying is believers in this dispensation are saying they are born again. I am only saying, go ahead say you are born again, but it's not scriptural. Thats all I am saying

Repentance is involved in salvation. Repentance is a change of mind. For us we believe we are sinners who cant save ourselves and rely solely on the blood redemption in Christ Jesus. Israel had to repent and believe Jesus was Christ, the Son of God
If you say so, yet what you wrote here I didn't read in your other statements. Point blank as the post is labeled only Israel can be born again.

If you feel the Israelites are the only ones that can be born again that's fine.
 
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If there is no supporting verses than you are only expressing your opinion
Paul spoke to Jews and gentiles
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of *new birth* and renewal by the Holy Spirit. Titus 3:5 - God's Mercy to Us

When one is adopted into a family especially the family of God they received the same, what applies for one applies for all.
Bible Verses about Gentiles, Grafted in Bible Verses about Gentiles, Grafted in


The Gentiles Are Included | Desiring God The Gentiles Are Included
 
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Why do you suggest that those verses only speak of the Jews? Is there a separate gospel for the Jews than there is for the gentiles?
AND IN. John 3:7 Jesus says marvel not that. I. said unto thee YE. must be born AGAIN !!

And is John 3:5. Except. a man be BORN of WATER. and OF. TYHE SPIRIT. , he cannot enter into the kingdom of God

and in. verse 4 Jesus is speaking to NICODEMUS A. JEW and not to b. GENTILES >

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ANMD IN. John 3:7 Jesus says marvel not that. I. said unto thee YE. must be born AGAIN !!

And is John 3:5. Except. a man be BORN of WATER. and OF. TYHE SPIRIT. , he cannot enter into the kingdom of God

and in. verse 4 Jesus is speaking to NICODEMUS A. JEW and not to b. GENTILES >

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And that doesn’t answer the question. The question was, IF Jesus was speaking ONLY to the Jews in that verse, then where is the gospel to the gentiles elucidated?

And according to the old English language lesson I had the other day, the word YE is plural, meaning that Jesus was speaking to more than one person or more than one people group.
 
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And that doesn’t answer the question. The question was, IF Jesus was speaking ONLY to the Jews in that verse, then where is the gospel to the gentiles elucidated?

And according to the old English language lesson I had the other day, the word YE is plural, meaning that Jesus was speaking to more than one person or more than one people group.
And in. Rom. 1:1 the HOLY SP[IRIOT HAD Paul write as SEPARATED //. APHORIZO. and that GREEK word means that

Paul was SEPARAYED and BOUNDRIAS AND ;LIMIYTED to only preach. GOD'S GOSPEL. !!

And in Rom 11:13 the HOLY SPIRIT HAD Paul wrote. these words , For I say to you GENTILES IN. AS MUCH

AS I AM. the A[POSTLE OF THE GENTILES , I Glorify my ministry !!

And in. Gal 2:9. And having known been giving to. me , Jambs and CEPHAS AND jOHN the ones highly. esteemed to be pliiers

, gave to me and BARMAS. THE right hand fellowship in order that n. we should. continue. TO THE GENTILES

and they. to the CIRCUMCISION. . meaning to Jews or ciorcumcistion. !!

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Paul never says we are to be born again
Hello Doug, Titus 3:5 has already been mentioned, but here's another verse and a passage which have not been (at least, I didn't notice them as I quickly skimmed through this thread anyway).

2 Corinthians 5
17 If ~anyone~ is in Christ, he is a ~new creation~; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
Ephesians 2
1 You were dead in your trespasses and sins,
2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, ~made us alive~ together with Christ (by grace you have been saved).

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - here's another verse from the Apostle Paul, just for good measure :)

Galatians 6
15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything. What counts is a ~new creation~.
 
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Born again only appears in 2 places *********
[John 3:3 KJV] "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
[1 Peter 1:23 KJV] "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

They both pertain to Israel. Peter was wring to scattered Jews

I am just saying that to apply that term to body of Christ believers isnt scriptual
So, for the sake of argument, how do you distinguish between being born again, born of the Spirit, born of Him/Christ, and being born of God?? How could anyone be born of God without being born again//

1Jo 2:29 If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.

1Jo 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

1Jo 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our[fn] faith.

1Jo 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself,[fn] and the wicked one does not touch him.
 
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Hello Doug, Titus 3:5 has already been mentioned, but here's another verse and a passage which have not been (at least, I didn't notice them as I quickly skimmed through this thread anyway).

2 Corinthians 5
17 If ~anyone~ is in Christ, he is a ~new creation~; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
Ephesians 2
1 You were dead in your trespasses and sins,
2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, ~made us alive~ together with Christ (by grace you have been saved).

God bless you!!

--David
p.s. - here's another verse from the Apostle Paul, just for good measure :)

Galatians 6
15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything. What counts is a ~new creation~.
Ad you quoted Gal 6:1 will you explain what GAL 6:15 means , just asking. ?/

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And that doesn’t answer the question. The question was, IF Jesus was speaking ONLY to the Jews in that verse, then where is the gospel to the gentiles elucidated?

And according to the old English language lesson I had the other day, the word YE is plural, meaning that Jesus was speaking to more than one person or more than one people group.
And in. Rom. 1:1 Paul a slave of Christ Jesus , a called apostle having been SEPARATED //. APHORIZO. , means the Paul was

LIMITED for God's GOSPEL and Paul NEVER preached what John wrote in. John 3:3. or in jOHN 3:5 NOR WHAT JOHN

wrote in. 1 John 5:8 !!

And in. 1 COR 11:1 You become IMITATORS of ME and in the Greek ME IS EMPHATIC meaning. Paul. meaning. Paul and

ONLY Paul and meaning no one else !!

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By the way using born again started in 1976 by Chuck Colson and Jimmy Carter
DougE, it appears you have abandoned your thread here, but I thought I’d let you know that the term “born again Christian” started in the 1920s. So, I’d suggest you start looking things up prior to posting them.
 
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Why do you suggest that those verses only speak of the Jews? Is there a separate gospel for the Jews than there is for the gentiles?
And this what I see !!

# 1 Is John 3:3

# 2 is John 3:5

# 3. 1 JOHN 5:18

# 4 John3:29

# 5 1. PETER 1:23

# 6. JOHN 3:7

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